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ghanima81
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posted February 02, 2005 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So... I have read many times that Libras are always searching for the other half of their whole... the Yin to their Yang.. the weight that will balance their scales. I've been wondering if this is just a Libra sun thing, or if it's also something that those influenced by Libra struggle with. The reasons that I am pondering this are:

1.) I have not gone a long stretch of time without some kind of relationship since I was 18.

2.) Even when I am with someone, I am constantly looking for small things that are sub-par of whom I feel is perfect for me

3.) All the Libra suns I have known have the same sarcastic and cynical attitude I have about relationships, and their ability to find someone (not to sound pretentious) good enough for them.

4.) I have a constant longing for qualities that I have found in people, even when I am no longer with them, and almost try to project them onto who I am currently dating.

I have three planets in Libra; Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto. Pluto rests in my 7th house, my MC is Libra. It was discussed in another thread that the sign your MC is in you are drawn to... not nessecarily attracted to in a romantic way, but almost as if there is a 'recognition' there. I think this is certainly true for me...
About point 1: since I was 18, I have either had a serious bf, been dating several ppl at once, or just kind of one right after the other. I do not need a man to feel complete, I am not saying that, but I do not like to be alone. I like to have company, even if it's silent, seperated company, I like to be around other people. When I am dating somebody, I can do without the sex part, but the companionship always keeps me pretty happy. As far as the relationship part, (re: point 2) I swear I always fark things up in a subconciously puposeful way. Like, I seem to always end up sabotaging it, but in a really wussy, 'it's-not-me-it's-you' kind of way... nothing I'm proud of, but I recognize it now... And for stupid reasons, almost like I'm afraid to actually find the person that will actually be good for me. (glutton for punishment?)
I also (see point 4) seem to always reflect back to previous relationships and the things I liked about that person, and miss those things terribly... then almost search relentlessly for somebody else that posesses those qualities, or at least mimics the way those qualities resonate with me. I am also always drawn to Libras... the sad, longing look. The deep... I have no idea what word to use here... it's just this deep 'understanding'??? that they seem to possess.. I always pick up on it and sympathize with it, I am drawn to them and want to make them feel better, even by just being their best friend, being there to fill that space for them until they find their true other half...

..forgive me for rambling. I'm trying to hash out an idea that has been brewing, and I'm so crap at communicating sometimes.. putting my feelings into words is really hard for me.

I guess what I'm getting at is, with all the Libra aspects I have, am I also searching for the Yin to my Yang? (obviously, everyone kind of is to a degree)... but... gah.

If any of you have a clue as to what I'm on about, please feel free to comment. I think my head is going to explode, and I've already ruined enough towels with hair dye...

Ghani

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sthenri
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posted February 02, 2005 04:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Ghani, I know Pluto in the 7th pretty well, and there is a longing, for qualities found in the past..such as a certain quality found over and over again, but try to be open to the future.

What if you did find the perfect man, what would he be like, where would he take you? Imagine it and think about how you feel,

Pluto in the 7th is so curious to me, with Mars/1st. It's different than Mars/7th, deeper and more sensitive but the idea is the same, must find ideal mate to live with and hold everyday, Mars and Pluto in the 1st want the ideal situation, and are more likely to change partners to find it.

But as I get older, I feel more like a Pluto/7th.

Natasha

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posted February 02, 2005 05:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Libra moon and Venus and I think the only way I could describe my feelings are that I'm in love with love! Of course my singleton Jupiter in the 7th might have something to do with it?

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posted February 02, 2005 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I can explain it as, I am in love with the idea of love, but I can't figure it out in reality. I can't make my thoughts and my heart come together and just be ... When I have love, I run from it.. and when I don't, I search so sadly for it...

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posted February 02, 2005 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that I ever take these too seriously, but WTF??? The first two paragraphs... just... *pfft* freakin' great... *grumble*

Neptune conjunction Mercury: The logical and rational faculties of your mind are likely to be scrambled by this influence, so that you are no longer quite sure what you think about anything. Or you may come under the influence of ideas that you would not have held previously. You are likely to make the worst mess of this period if you try to organize and restructure your life now. Consequently this is a bad time for making important decisions that will affect the direction of your life. It is also a bad time for most business decisions, because there is a danger that you are poorly informed about what is going on.
This influence always raises the issue of self-deceit, being deceived by others or your deceit toward others. Be extremely careful of these hazards in any kind of negotiations. Deceit may be inadvertent. For example, you may find that you are unable to clearly express what is on your mind because the thoughts seem so complex and disorganized, and when you do say something, others misunderstand you completely. Be very sure that people really understand your meaning when they say they do.

This part is not so bad, I guess... but could I seriously spend at least half a second of every day in REALITY??? Pretty please?

On the plus side of this influence, you will be much more receptive to subtle forces around you. Your rational mind may be confused, but your intuition is likely to be very sharp. The only difficulty you might have is in making others understand the basis of your understandings.

You may become interested in psychic matters and in mysticism under this influence. You will arrive at a profound and direct knowledge of the inadequacies of unaided logic, and you may seek to expand your understanding of the more hidden aspects of the mind. You may even encounter hidden abilities in your own mind.

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posted February 02, 2005 09:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too am a Libra and the 7 hs thing, I hate it! I have pluto and mars and even freakin mercury in the 7th house! I have been married for 10yrs to the same awsome guy and yet I find I long for someone with some of the qualities he does not have! I know I am very lucky but yet I still get this feeling and it sometimes really makes me feel incomplete and guilty at the same time! I also feel lonely a lot even though I have no real reason too!
So I totally understand where your coming from ghanima81!

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posted February 02, 2005 10:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Libra, I am single, and I never feel out of balance, or not "whole" because I don't have a partner. Sometimes I'm sad b/c I haven't found the right person, but that's to be expected. I make myself whole and happy, especially when I'm with the ppl I care about, or doing my favorite things. I think it's a really unhealthy concept ppl have about Libras.

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posted February 02, 2005 11:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Possibly too many planets in the 7th can contribute to the "unbalanced" feeling. But remember we all feel that way sometimes.

Neptune and Mercury,
that effect is similar to Mercury in Pisces, Mercury in Sag, or Mercury in hard aspect to a planet in Sag or Pisces.

I have Sag opp Gemini Mercury and I know lots of people with the Neptune Mercury conjunction and trine, it makes you trustworthy and trusting of others. That can be an asset.

Natasha

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posted February 02, 2005 11:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ghani check this out. I was going to post something about having 8th house Pluto from a great book I have called Astrology A Cosmic Science by Isabel Hickey. She has a chapter devoted to Pluto through the houses and I like what she has to say. Here's what she has to say about Pluto in the 7th. I think that may be one of the culprits with you.

The seventh house represents relationships in the outer world and how others react to the individual. The most personal of relationships is marriage. Pluto has a purging effect in any house of the birthchart but its effect is particularly strong in this house. It is a very impersonal energy in an area where personal attachments are very strong. It is difficult for the person to have a close and strongly emotional relationship. An uninvolvement where personalities are concerned and a deep dedication to Love as a priciple is the lesson Pluto brings in this house. A wise choice of a partner in a union or marriage is very important as Pluto will hold the individual to his choice even though he would wish to be free. The stubbornness or stability will hold the individual to the promises he made regardless of the cost to the personality.
The individual's ability to see both sides of a situation makes his judgements unprejudiced and objective. His role as a mediator is unquestioned. Law and legal matters can be of interest and talent does lie in this direction. As Pluto rules large corporations, corproation law can be a natural outlet for the energy. The regeneration of the person with Pluto in the seventh house depends on the willingness to cross out any personal desires and be willing to serve "others" for the sake of service, with no ends of his own to serve. The Minerva aspect of Pluto comes to the fore when love is more important than self. "He who loses himself shall find himself."

This is also a great link with loads of info: http://groups.msn.com/interpretations6/plutoin7th1.msnw

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ghanima81
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posted February 03, 2005 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, 26! That was pretty spooky, that link. Check this stuff out about my Pluto in 7th:

They may withdraw and spend more time watching than actually participating in relationships, even though to have a friend or closer relationship is the one thing they desire most in life.

This is something that I only recently started to realize about my past, and even my present. I know I'm not overly emotional, but I never really recognized that I was the detatched one... I thought I put a lot into my relationships, but I have been told that I was a complete mystery, and very frustrating to be with. Go figure.

To change the negative impact of Pluto in the seventh house, one must stop being a martyr or victim. Forgive others (partners, ex-spouses) for what they've done to you, and clear that emotional debris from the past. See the fourth house for forgiveness techniques. Then look at your current life. Monitor a few days of your life, and note how many times you conceded or compromised your views for those of another person.

Don't know if it's a Libran aspect thing, but I am the QUEEN of compromise. I can't stand it when people don't get along, and if I have to be the one to give a lot of myself in order to make things balanced, I will, and I do. Kinda sucks.

Every time you fail to clarify your preference, your own inner sense of security and trust suffers a bit. It's far better to say 'Wait, let me think about it' than to go along with someone else merely because that person seems to have stronger, more pronounced views and motivations than you. Don't submit to pressure from others through intimidation, anger, guilt, etc.. If someone is manipulating you, put them on hold until you have discovered what it is that you really want to do. Go off by yourself if necessary, and make them wait.

That is something I should show somebody... The one time I actually tried to figure things out properly, so that things wouldn't be messed up later on, and it all fell apart... WTF?

*edit*

I'm seriously going nuts today. I don't know what's with me, but the past few days have been like, me wanting to jump out of my skin... I feel like I need to clarify a lot of things. That I have to sort through things that have happened recently and fix what needs to be fixed, and just move on from things that are detrimental to me. But I can't... I can't let things go sometimes. Is it my fixed nature? I'm not sure... but something is tugging me... hard and I don't know what to do about it.

Anyways, thanks a million.

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posted February 03, 2005 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conj. Sun today... so it could be a good day. Hmm.. sure. Also a Neptune-Mercury conj... so again, I'm going to suck at getting my feelings across.

eh.. somebody slap me.

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posted February 06, 2005 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Consider yourself slapped! (**giggles**)
When I read the first few paragraphs of your opening post Ghani, I thought WOW that sounds like me. I have Sun, Venus, Neptune, Saturn in Libra, Leo Rising & Pisces Moon.
Right now I'm enduring the longest dry spell I have ever had without a serious relationship. I left my ex 7 years ago and until last year had no desire for anything more than friendships. But I've become whole again after that awful partnership, and now I'm starting to tentatively look around for the Yang to my Yin. Having Neptune conj Sun makes this difficult, since I do not always see the men I am interested in as normal and flawed human beings. I have usually been the one to depart relationships, mostly because 1) I did not choose a partner wisely due to the Neptunian fantasy-element, and 2) because I grew spiritually and they didn't. I have Aquarius on the 7th and Uranus is in XI....
Wonder how my Pluto in the 12th fits in? I have been told that this makes transformations in my life much easier than for others who find change difficult.
Thoughts anyone?

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posted March 06, 2005 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry it took me so long to get to this, Azalaksh. Been awfully busy lately. Hmm.. your DEC is my sun, no wonder what I said resonates with you! I have Uranus in the 8th, but my Aqua sun is in the 11th, as well as mercury and mars. I think that Pluto theory definately has some merit. I have an empty 12th house ( ) and with Pluto in the 7th, I have been told that transformation for me will come out of a partnership, that whole 'fated love' thing. It makes sense that transformations will be easier for you, that pluto 12th house combo has a lot of enlightening qualities to it, IMPO. Kinda like, coming to understanding when others are not yet willing to accept what must be? Does that make sense? I'm forming a big thought on this, but my brain cannot make sense out of it atm... give me a day or two. LOL.

Ghani

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posted March 06, 2005 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was a great thread, Ghani. Thanks for bumping it up to the top again!
I hope you're doing a lot better today than on Feb 3rd when you were seriously going nuts and wanting to jump out of your skin...

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posted March 07, 2005 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, my 7th house is cancer..what does that mean?

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posted March 07, 2005 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SparklingSag,

That means that cancer is your descendant, so Capricorn must be your rising sign. Do you have any planets in the 7th house? In the instance we are discussing, Pluto would be what you should be looking for.

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posted March 07, 2005 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have pluto in 10th house and its scorpio. Is pluto important?

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posted March 07, 2005 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,

Pluto is important because it is the planet of drastic transformation and irreversible change. 26 posted some cool stuff on pluto in the houses a while back. I'm gonna go look for Pluto in the 10th for you so you can have a read.

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posted March 07, 2005 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here you go! (thanks to 26 for the link)

Here's for Pluto in Cancer http://groups.msn.com/interpretations2/plutoincancer.msnw

Here's for Pluto in the 10th house http://groups.msn.com/interpretations6/plutoin10th1.msnw

These interps are very informative and pretty accurate.

Ghani

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