posted February 26, 2005 07:31 PM              

I have Venus in Aries in the 7th house and have NO desire to get married whatsoever. I feel allergic to the concept of marriage... Venus is also the ruler of my chart (and since its in 7th) most ppl are surprised and say that I shud be very much into marriage. For the past four years Ive been AVOIDING relationships and marriage at all costs. I have no desire for a shared home, or children either. Strange? I donno. My aspect interpretation for the third, fourth, and seventh houses says that 'I will enjoy parenting very much' and Venus sextile Mars points to a good love life, but I beg to differ. Had a horrible experience with the one long term relationship Ive been in, and ended a marriage within 1 yr becoz I didn't want to be married anyway. Now I don't want to be married or have children. Im absolutely happy with the single life and I don't see any reason for marriage.

posted March 03, 2005 03:05 PM            

I have Saturn, rx in my 7th. I avoid responsability even thou it's the most natural thing to me (leo saturn and mars, sun in the 11th). i'm a natural at taking the lead, but I pass it on as soon as I realise i've... 'done it again'...have my own 'reason', too ;-)

posted March 03, 2005 03:41 PM              

I have been focusing a ton on my chart lately...there are some very contradictory things in it, I too have some things that say I would be GREAT with children (Venus in 5th, anyone?). I think any hard aspects to Venus and Uranus can be big indicators of not wanting marriage/kids, and planets like Uranus and Mars being in the 7th house. I also noticed that with all of my hard aspects with my Moon, it mentions stuff about marital problems and maybe emotional issues in dealing with children.

posted March 03, 2005 04:37 PM              

Especially Uranus aspecting 1st, Venus, 7th, or Mars/1st, says to me a lack of interest in marriage or LTR.

posted March 03, 2005 11:58 PM            

Have you looked at what your Chiron aspects, and where it is in your chart? Perhaps the lunar nodes too. Maybe those might indicate something of interest.

I'm curious as to what your palmistry reading for yourself predicts. If I may ask, (off-topic), what in palmistry tells you someone might get divorced/jilted/remarried, etc.?

Speaking of divorces, I'm also wondering if perhaps yours might have happened due to your trying to break free of the domination by your partner. (I hope i'm not venturing into territory that's too painful for you! If it is, then feel free to not respond to anything that you'd rather not get into. ) Were you happy at all being married? Or was it something you entered into either due to being pressured into it, or as a way of escaping pressure outside of it? I'm asking because I'm close to someone in a very, very similar situation; she's desperately unhappy, and still in the process of deciding what to do.

Perhaps, despite what your chart says (Venus in 7th), it could be that your past bad experiences with long-term relationships lead to your reluctance to consider marriage or children. I'm guessing that you weren't averse to them before such experiences, since you did get married. Maybe if you met someone you could really care about and who treats you like you deserve, it might be different? Just a guess...

posted March 04, 2005 02:25 AM              

Anyhow back to the topic now hehehe
Well sunshine its not too personal since you asked so sweetly I was not 'pressured into getting married' directly (i was only 18!). But my mother had discovered that I liked a man 10 yrs my senior (which I really did, we loved each other but he left me eventually for a Cancer chick, grrr, the grr is not for the leaving me, although that was the most painful experience of my life, but rather for the fact that he has not till today told me WHY. Was it me? was it something I did? I have NO clue. One day he's like honey I love you, next day no call nothing. Three months later hes off married to some Cancer chick! aaah. And hes like ....? why are u upset? )

Anyways long story short: I felt emotionally pressured for marriage because my mother had desperately tried to arrange my marriage and to avoid an arranged marriage (Which I oppose by principle) I decided to get married to a friends brother (I hadnt seen this friend or her brother for seven years but had just re-initiated contact). I know I know it sounds lame and terrible, but I jus wanted to escape the pressure of the nagging marry now marry now thing. (Believe me my moms pisces moon can drive me NUTS).

My husband was quite abusive although he loved me dearly and was really attached. His abuse acted up in jealousy since he was obsessed with me (sort of a Heathcliff kind of violent angry love). I couldn't take it any longer, the name calling and degradation, and twice, the physical slap on the face. So I decided for divorce. The only reason my mom supported that divorce was because she wanted to arrange my marriage elsewhere.

Geez I wish ppl would jus get off my case about marriage (by ppl I mean my family). I think I have a tendency to be perceived as flirtatious or 'overly sexual'. Many men--priests, men 20 years older, young boys, and other weird kinds of men have tried to hit on me/make out with me etc. at weird times which makes many women feel threatened by me (in my cultural community). I have no idea but it must be something about the appearance or exterior I exude?

Natasha thats such an interesting remark about Pluto/Uranus/Mars. My Mars is in opposition to Uranus, and pluto is in 1st house. Wonder if that would have to do with it.

Sunshine to make a long story short the answer to your qs would probably be that yes I have had bitter experiences with men. My father was abusive, my brother is a good for nothin alcoholic who only talks to me when he needs money, and my husband was also abusive. But by no means am I done with men. For some reason I love them! Especially if they're Persian, Italian, or LEO. hahaha. It ups the sexiness factor by one kajillion.

I used to be so, so into the traditional marriage ordeal. Even now I want people in general to consider it sacred. I still consider it sacred. For example I will get mad when I see my sister exploiting her husband or playing power games with him (shes is a Scorpio who controls her Libra hubby so tightly that he doesnt even know how much money he makes--she controls it all!). I will reprimand her for this and become the 'villain' because I took 'his' side. For me though, marriage is still a very sacred union of two souls, but I have a feeling its not for me anymore...as if its the one thing that is not in my fate or that I cannot succeed in due to my aspirations and my personality. I am too ambitious, driven, career oriented, also I think too idealistic, to make marriage, which is a very pragmatic thing, work out. Besides for a woman with those qualities it is very difficult to find a man who complements you well and at the same time isnt a parasite/weakling. Most men who can take strong women/deal with them are total weaklings/house husbands. I dont want that--I want someone stronger than me. Thats what I had before I was married--but he dumped me for some unknown reason for that Cancer chick.

Anyhow so far as palmistry goes you can tell from palm lines--whether the line of fate breaks, how many times and where it breaks, whats going on the lunar mount (flesh area under thumb and at edge of palm), the number of wrist rings, the lines under the pinky especially which is the sensuous mount or mount of love. The vertical lines on the mount indicate children (the number and gender), and the horizontal lines indicate relationships--marriage, divorce, etc. There is one line that in particular tends to indicate divorce--rather a sign I should say, its a triangle forming between three major lines of the hand below your middle finger. The middle finger is considered the one of worst luck in palmistry, its kind of like Saturn is in astrology, if there is a mole on your middle finger or a line beneath it on the mount also, those are bad indications for relationships.

posted March 04, 2005 02:33 AM              

Sunshine, you also remarked that maybe I had tried to get out of my marriage because I felt confined--I did but only after the marriage. Before I was willing, and for a few months I was actually just blissfully happy until the ugliness started--the jealousy and fights and abuse.

posted March 04, 2005 11:00 AM              

Mars opp Gemini, is what I have, it's similar in energy in that I like Sag people and what they stand for, still I attract many Geminis, Mercury related topics, book publishing, poetry, and poets for example. I have to "cope" with Gemini men who weave in and out of my life causing all sorts of mini nervous breakdowns.

I bet you know at least one man with Mars in the 1th, or Mars in Gemini/Aqua.

Mars is good to look at in a man's chart, if it's in the 7th house, then negotiation is important, he will want to keep the peace, if Mars is opposite Neptune, he will look for structure and down to earth stability in his partner as he feels out of sorts with all those Neptunian influences in his life. He will look for a woman to keep him from drinking, and maybe one who encourages it.

So I always look at Mars for a man and the oppositions and conjunctions, someone with Mars conjunct Uranus is comfortable with unconventional women, marrying them, and is usually faithful to his ideals,

Secret Garden that would be a good combo for you, I thought Mars conjunct Mercury would be good for me, as that would be a man who thought intelligence was important, but he turned out to be fairly dumb and expected me to do all the thinking, not exactly what I wanted.

In any case that's what I usually get, fairly dumb, not abusive, just dumb, they turn abusive when I call them that, but a woman can only take so much mental abuse.

posted March 05, 2005 01:34 AM              

This man who I was talking about earlier (the leo) he has Mars in Gem. in 10th house, trining Uranus, conjunct MC, square Sun and Venus and trine Pluto...

posted March 05, 2005 01:44 PM              

Venus sort of sits around looking good, but not busting any moves, really. Mars from a potential mate doesn't seem to help. Then Transiting Pluto comes along, and doesn't take no for an answer.

I say this because my Venus & Pluto are Conjunct in Virgo. So you tell ME who makes the first move - not even considering my Mars in Scorpio.