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thosa
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posted February 28, 2005 03:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi...

This topic is about the zodiac signs in war.

Fire signs are filled with energy, but that energy will run out sometime(yes I know Leo is a fixed sign, but he WILL give up sometime around).

Earth signs I consider equally as strong as Fire signs.

Air signs are not really known to be tough...Gemini will take quick jabs at you, but I don't think it's enough to break you..Libra is too much of a wuss to fight, and even if he does fight, he will fight like aryan, which makes him filled with energy, but not the energy that lasts forever.
Aquarius might be tough..I don't really know much about this sign...

Water signs will seem like wusses at first...but in the end they will come out on top..they will do everything in their power to crush you, and then some. These are the signs that have almost "infinite" energy...I think the only element that can beat water, is water itself...

Pisces can beat Cancer, Cancer can beat Scorpio, Scorpio can beat Pisces, Pisces can beat Scorpio, Cancer can beat Pisces, Scorpio can beat Cancer...etc...:P

BTW: A lot of it also has to do with which elements are against each other...fx, fire vs air or earth vs fire, air vs earth...anything can happen then, but water is the toughest of them all IMO.

The reason I made this topic? Hmm...don't know, I was just bored before bedtime

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posted February 28, 2005 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure where I read this, or maybe it's Tarot, but if I remember right, the Cardinal signs are "Fire Of", the Fixed signs are "Air Of" and the Mutable signs are "Water Of" (sorry peeps, no Earth), so this may refine your thesis a little......
Aries would therefore be Fire of Fire, Taurus Air of Earth, Gemini Water of Air, Cancer Fire of Water, etc.
Now, which Water sign will be the winner?!?

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posted February 28, 2005 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thosa, I'm going to give you some advice....it's free.

There are some people you can screw with all the time and there are some people you can screw with some of the time and there are some people you can't screw with at any time without putting your physical well-being in jeopardy. Mars in Aries people will decide you have stepped outside the bounds if.....you deliberately insult them or they think you did...if you deliberately insult someone they care about....if you present some credible threat to them or someone they care about....or if you challenge them in a physical way. At that point, and it will be a point at one instant of time...really, just an eye-blink, they will come to a decision. That decision will be to hurt you and the only question in their mind is what part of your body they are going to break. When you reach that point...really just one eye-blink in time, you will be lucky if they let you depart for a suddenly remembered appointment that requires your presence elsewhere.

That's the reason it pays to be civil in personal dealings with everyone...because you don't really know who that Mars in Aries person is...until you cross them. If and when you do, best be ready because it's going to be very sudden and escalate immediately to a point where most people don't want to go and are not geared up to go.

Mars in Aries people are best threatened or insulted from a distance...not in person.

My good deed for the day.

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posted February 28, 2005 11:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they should all get along peacefully, and not be at war in the first place.

But if there was an all time star sign war lol lord of the rings in star sign replay.. I agree that water would wing it because of their intense spirituality and foresight. They have this psychic energy about them(not so much physical energy), so I see water signs as wizards and witches winning the war with spells and craft.

I don't agree with your first statement of fire running out on energy. Fire wouldn't run out on energy in a war like situation because their massive ego could never stand to give in, and the constant adrenaline rush would give them plenty of energy to spare. So they deffinetly wouldn't lose "the war" due to giving up for lack of energy. More likely to be lured in by water and quenched when they least expect it.

Air and earth would want no part of it from the start... but earth could potentially be persuaded into it if they really have to get involved. Air would never go at war no matter what. They'd much rather stand by, watch and discuss the happenings and potentialy build a whole new world on mercury in the mean time, so they can all move there and have the last laugh. I actually think air is the most intelligent element when it comes to violence, because air relies on thought a lot more than instinct or feeling and therefore air signs find it easy to distance themselves from situations and not react to them emotionally/violently, because violence after all is trigered by excesive negative emotions and ego and by thinking irationally.

That all being said, I'd much rather have world peace than be at war.

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posted March 01, 2005 12:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That decision will be to hurt you and the only question in their mind is what part of your body they are going to break.

.. Are you an aries mars JW? Actually, I think Thosa is, as far as I remeber

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posted March 01, 2005 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Handsome Jwhop!!!


I have to agree with him..but I would extend that to anyone with a prominant Mars or Aries placement - especially when combined with a fighting sign.

I have Moon in Aries..I see myself as a warrior standing on a mesa with a spear in one hand and the other ready to draw my gun..LOL.... Sad, but true...when I can't use those weapons, my bow and quiver are always ready.


But, that is when it comes to defending those I love..and I will fight to the death for them- that is just my nature. In fact, my ex-husband- before we even entered that serious dating stage- once told me that he was having problems with his supervisor..I had already known he and I would marry someday and I blurted out "Just let me know when you want me to strike, because I will take a tomahawk to anyone that hurts my husband". LOL...it was weird, a bit awkward..but that was my Aries moon talking..

My soul knew he would be important in my life, my warrior moon wanted to make sure he was well defended.

As for myself, I can usually get out of any sticky situation with my wit and my Pluto in the first house death stare...but when it comes to my family and friends..watch out

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posted March 01, 2005 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice post Aries Chick. Air is definitely the most objective element, and is probalby the most most likely to stand back from war and see its horror. But lets not forget the influence of water towards compassion and empathy of human suffering, fire's upright morals, and earths connection with mother nature and the beauty of living things. Every element has paths to be opposed to war.


I think air is one of the more likely (esp gemini) to react quickly without thinking and physically attack someone, saggitarius would be susceptible to this as well. However given time, I'm sure that air can very well objectively stand back from conflict and see its pointlessness.


Pid-I'm starting to think you're the kind of person who NEEDS adversaries...whats the point of being a warrior woman if theres no one to fight? You've got to hone your skills for a real battle right?

I definitely believe that if conflict occurs, aries would be the first to the battle field, gun loaded before they even knew what was going on. Aries is often a fierce never-say-die contender. But remember that scorpio has the staying power of pluto combined with the passion of mars. Aries will push and push until he fatigues, whereas scorpio will tactfully take the blows and strike back when aries is at his weakest. On the other hand, taurus will just take the blows, not necessarily tactfully, but still explode in a great destructive rage.


Overall, I'd have to say the top three contenders are scorpio, aries, leo, and taurus ...the pushovers are libra, pisces, and virgo.

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posted March 01, 2005 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aries-chick, of course I am Mars in Aries so I know whereof I speak. Over the years, there have been many I wanted with all my being to make the wrong move in the moment but they didn't....so I didn't.

Hi Pid, yep, I think you're right. Mars in a potent sign, Aries, Sagittarius, Leo or Scorpio...or Aries in the personal planets is a force to be reckoned with....when the chips are down. I can well understand what you say because before all, Aries is the warrior who will draw the sword...in a very real sense...if necessary.
Perhaps we've drawn that sword together in a worthy cause...in the dim far past.


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posted March 01, 2005 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... What's the fight about again? ...


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thosa
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posted March 01, 2005 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not talking about any particular fight lol!

I'm just generalising about the elements in fights...no specific fight related to this thread, ok?!:P

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posted March 01, 2005 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Truly, A.J.. that was the perfect Libra fight pacifier.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted March 01, 2005 12:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread! All I can say is...people who get on my bad side, stay there...practically forever. I think the combo of my critical Virgo Sun with all that stubborn bullish Taurus Moon opposition my Mars in Scorpio...I can be relentless, exacting and extremely vengeful. I'll even change tactics if what I'm doing doesn't work. However sometimes I wind up not caring or lose interest, which gives others the illusion that they won (when they really, definitely did not). I remember arguing for 3 days straight (plus sleep haha) with my taurus ex, and I won by hitting him right where it hurts - security! Only times I have ever backed down/left are with water signs. I usually find them to be so insane whenever they are ticked off you're better off just leaving, with your middle fingers up in the air. Leave physically, especially. And never talk to them ever again. Especially Cancer and Pisces, I dunno what's up with that. I can be kinda stabby verbally towards Scorpio and get them where it hurts, and then they run away, or come back to me for reconciliation.

Everyone else in a "war" i just view as a big sissy, and I wind up laughing at them eventually. Even the fire signs. Air signs I notice will run silently screaming in the other direction, but they're the ones I get into wars with the least, along with earth signs.

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posted March 01, 2005 02:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any sign can do some damage. Whatever you can do to someone, believe me when I say they can do it to you too. The real damage is done by people who have no morals and those who dont give a sh!t about themselves.

I have seen seemingly sane people flip reverse...and it aint pretty! The notion that anyone can do anything at anytime, is permanently tattoo somewhere inside me.

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posted March 01, 2005 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
serial killers and really sadistic people are usually the quiet neighbors.
there is no match against supressed rage unleashed.
all the outward pissy people dont scare me although the their ability to catch you off guard at the speed of lightening can be dangerous.
the toughest opponent is the one you cant figure out hence,
if you can smile while hating and plotting(cancer pisces capricorns scorpios)bidding time until you are sure to crush unawares, whew scary.(yummy too).

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posted March 01, 2005 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There ya go again BR, speaking before you know the facts. I will not put my ex-hubby's info on here..suffice it to say that he was being brutally harrassed by someone- that rankles me.

I also have a younger brother that was sick in his youth- kids would try to beat him up- so I learned to protect him.

Me, being a shy kid...I really was, I used to have people steal from me- take my barbies and bury them, then come back and take them at night- all the way to people stealing money from me. I learned NOT to just sit back and take it.

I can guarantee that I do not charge without cause. I sit back, watch and then come out.


So...do I need an enemy, and advesary? Nope..I would rather exist in a world where I can disagree and debate with my fellow woman / man without it getting ugly. For the most part I can debate in GU and give / receive advice here. I try not to let one affect the other. There are those rare people though, those people that are so insidious that they launch these little evil attacks in GU and then expect things to be rosy elsewhere. It is one thing to differ on idealogies, it is quite another to constantly beat up people and single them out because of their sun sign, political or religious affiliation.


BTW..my father always said "Our people have always judged ourselves by the station of our enemy". I usually choose to have someone that is in a much higher authority than I am..for example- my last CEO.. I loved that he couldn't get me to lie, I loved even more that we became bitter advesaries based on my integrity ... but certain enemies here? Not really worth my time

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posted March 01, 2005 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I have to say is read what Linda says about Libra's.
Sure we would rather have peace than war but if you should ever pis* off a Libra who's scales have tipped because of negativity or unfairness, then forget the passive, wuss! and watch out!
Linda said that Cardinal Air is the most dangerous when angry. That is LIBRA. Air is unpredictable, you never know when it will blow! It can extinguish Fire, blow at Earth and make it dry and barren and yes, even move and manipulate Water and dry it out too. As for other Air, well, Cardinal is Leader, mutable and fixed are changeable and stubborn, but not a Leader.
Don't take my word for it though, read what Linda wrote. And please, try not to ever **** off a Libra, you'll see....ask my Scorpio hubby what it's like.

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posted March 03, 2005 03:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello everyone!...was out of touch for a couple of months......anyways this thread is beginning to sound more and more like the discussions I have with my gaming buddies.....what with the different strengths and weaknesses of the various signs. It's like when you have to choose between the barbarian, the paladin ,the sorcerer or the amazon in diablo 2 and similar games on the pc or fable on the x box.......maybe we can call this one WARRIORS OF THE ZODIAC...LOL......

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posted March 14, 2005 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey so much cancer bashing but just tell me , u said we cancers can beat even scorpions and every body else ( mine is water cardinal by theway ) is itt really so then who really has the ability to defeat us

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thosa
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posted March 14, 2005 02:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Water signs will seem like wusses at first...but in the end they will come out on top..they will do everything in their power to crush you, and then some. These are the signs that have almost "infinite" energy...I think the only element that can beat water, is water itself...

Pisces can beat Cancer, Cancer can beat Scorpio, Scorpio can beat Pisces, Pisces can beat Scorpio, Cancer can beat Pisces, Scorpio can beat Cancer...etc...:P

BTW: A lot of it also has to do with which elements are against each other...fx, fire vs air or earth vs fire, air vs earth...anything can happen then, but water is the toughest of them all IMO.

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Cancergg, read the thick stuff carefully...all three water signs can beat each other...but this is just a generalisation, so it's not necesarilly true

And I'm not trying to bash Cancerians(and why should I, when I'm one myself ??)....I'm just doing some research on cancer, that's all.

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War is a tricky topic b/c it depends on what is being looked at and how things inter-relate with one another. Then there are the real blurry parts . . . the parts where someone with real cunning can make the best of that blurry mass and get what they want.

Different signs use different tactics. Who knows what is better or not? Sometimes war is a strategy game where the unplanned winds of chance make huge differences and move things in different directions.

War has a lot moving parts. In history, the more famous and successful military commanders had their personal planets in Aries, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio and Sagittarius. For whatever reason, Earth signs tend to get more negative bad press than the positive "umph" Fire Signs get.

Such as Richard Nixon (Capricorn Sun), Saddam Hussein (Taurus Sun), and Adolf Hitler (Taurus Sun).

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thosa
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posted March 29, 2005 11:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a topic I found about Aries vs Cancer, here are some excerpts:

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Aries and Cancer are the two signs most likely to become boxers or fighters

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I'd guess that if Aries had the opportunity to catch Cancer unaware, then he might win, but only 'might' because on some level Cancer is always in a self-protective or guarded state, and could be intuitive enough to sense an impending attack.

But if they're in, say, a formal fifteen round boxing match with two boxers of equal skill, then I'd definitely put my bet down on the Cancer, because the Aries would likely be the aggressor from the opening bell, would keep coming at the Cancer with everything in his arsenal. Someone without the Cancer's self-protective ability might let down his guard but the Cancer's inherent instinct to protect would keep up a defense, and as Psycho recently reminded me, Cancer is moving water, so in his own way he'd be just as agile as the Aries, plus he'd be able to absorb a lot of punishment. The Cancer would defend until the Aries got arm weary from throwing so many punches, then he would go on the offense.

Although as Lyrical pointed out, I'd really want to see the whole charts, just in case the Aries had a lot of Cancer influence in his chart OR if he had indicators of being a better strategist than a strictly predominant fire type (who'd be more likely to burn himself out). Then I might change my bet : )


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hi, I am voting for Cancer... water is the strongest of the elements... cancer is a cardinal sign of leadership... aries would like to think/believe that it is the strongest... remember, aries is the *baby* of the zodiac... cancer has inner strength.

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Orion, agree the bet goes on Aries in any situation where the initial rush of aggressive action works to his advantage. Also agree about Cancer and defense of family being a BIG motivator. Could see that going either way in a fight, though. Cancer could be at a big disadvantage when he acts on the initial rush of emotion.

Going back to the other Gemini thread--

Gemini is bobbing and weaving and making deft jabs, which Cancer is blocking with equal skill.

Gemini: I had your sister last night and she was great.

Cancer (drops to knees, sobbing): NOOOOOOOO, not my sister!

Fight over. Gemini by TKO in first round. Gemini is at one side of the ring, surrounded by well-wishers as he's declared champion of the world, while Cancer is alone in the far corner, grieving for violated sister.

Cancer'd probably win the rematch, though.



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Water is the strongest of all, just read Linda Goodman, she's an aries and she constantly says water is the strongest. Anyhow, with that out of the way. Jack Dempsey, Jake "Raging Bull" Lamotta, the current heavyweight champ Vitali Klitschko, current ultimate fighting champion Randy Couture, current champion of Ultimate Fighting's rival league, Wanderlei Silva, and finally Mike Tyson. All cancers. 'Nuff said. Cancer over an aries any day is my vote.

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I used to be a boxer myself, I've fought many different signs and just to chime in with some opinions, in a street setting the cancer is not a hostile creature because most often the cancer fears conflict to begin with and sidesteps danger due to his cautious nature, but it is widely known that when cornered, pressured and under great duress, the cancer's insecurity and passive aggression will lash out with such ferocity as to stun even an aries native. Aries of all signs aren't used to passive aggression, so they don't understand it, and a while back one of my best friends who is an Aries was antagonizing a cancer native. The cancer was spewing some verbal abuse but was walking away while the aries was following after him calling him out. The aries caught up with him and started getting in his face and laughing while the cancer suddenly got very serious because he felt very threatened and he told the aries that if he touches him all hell is gonna break loose, well the aries immediately shoved him and the cancer just charged right into him and they ended up rolling around on the floor before me and a few others broke them up. The aries was taken aback and as he got up he was pretty much shocked and just saying things like "the hell is wrong with you man? what the hells you're problem?" while the cancer had turned into an absolute animal and was threatening to murder him and it took 3 people to hold him back. Half hour later the aries was laughing about it and forgot all about it the next day while I was told the cancer was still uttering threats to his friends for weeks after that.

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think lyrical acid hit the nail on the head and I will explain to you why. Cancer sort of stands for the opposites or the EXTREMES. This is depicted by our glyph which shows two reflections of the same sideways 9 image. This stands for polarities or extremes of the opposite end of the spectrum. We know through history that it is often the most sensitive and the most pusillanimous often become the most enraged killers or murders, and quite often the opposite, the dog that seemingly barks the most has the least bite. And so it is with Cancer, off the field of battle we are shy, the consummate 'pussies' if you will, in that we stay clear of conflict, we retreat from fights or sidestep firestorms that would have other signs like aries perhaps jump in instead. But once threatened, or mistreated to a certain point the Cancer suddenly emerges from beneath its hardened shell as one of the most (perhaps history has proved THE most, as I'll show you later)ruthless fighters in the entire zodiac.

One of the reasons cancers sometimes blow up is because we have a life long history of feeling mistreated and stepped on by others due to our inability to stand up for ourselves and be assertive and so we often have a complex where when we feel that someone is stepping on us it slowly boils us over.

Someone made a remark about aries not having chimed in here yet, well like I said before, aries is confident and assertive, and doesn't have self esteem or insecurity problems like us and thus they have no need to start topics like this or even come in here and assert their signs superiority, like a cancer does because let's be honest it is the deep insecurity of the cancer that makes them want to question others incessantly about the crab's strength until they are satisfied. I have often found myself searching the net in vain to find 'proofs' of cancer's strength and mythical fear we inspire into others, unfortunately such things don't exist because we are most often stereotyped as the opposite of that, which is what we are MOST of the time. But this discussion isn't about what our traits are most of the time, I think we all already know that, it's about what are traits are like 'on the field of battle' so to speak.

Read the following statement of cancerian duality taken from a website, "All the other creatures of the Zodiac move in a forward direction, but the Crab is able to move backwards and sideways as well. This indicates that Cancer is the sign of the time-traveler. (The Chariot is a time machine). Colin Wilson (a Cancerian himself) believes that the Crab symbolizes the fact that when we have our skeletons on the outside we are undeveloped followers of the will of others and must learn to grow our own skeletons on the inside so that we can become leaders. Thus Cancer is the sign of both slaves and rebels." Both slaves AND rebels, he says. Both scared pussycats AND fearless warriors.

And so in light of this, to help fullfill these young cancerian's hopes of knowing our true pedigree, and our capabilities at the least, I will have you know that both Alexander the Great (July 22) and Julius Caesar were both cancerians, in fact the month of July was named after Julius because that's when he was born. Also King Henry VIII, and for those fight fans here I almost forgot to make mention of the other big fight venue dominated by a cancer. We already know the 3 major Heavyweight Boxing, Ultimate Fighting, and Pride are all led by current cancer champions (Klitchsko, Couture, and Silva, respectively), but I should mention that K1's current record holding champion and winner of 4 championships Ernesto Hoost is also a cancer. Thank you and have a nice day.


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water always tops everything. Water is always strongest. Also, Pisces is stronger than Scorpio. Surprising no?

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Oh, Pisces can hurt you. They hurt you through lies and deception though so you never blame them. (Through their secretive means, you don't link your pain to them directly.) I agree with you about Scorpios. I have never met a Scorpio that intimidated me. Sure, they know how to keep their face stone cold but I have never seen a Scorpio or Pisces for that matter flip out like I have, not even close.

I agree with Reqieum that Pisces is the strongest water sign (if not the strongest sign of all), then Cancer, then Scorpio. I think Cancer is the most likely to throw a temper tantrum or "explode" in the typical scorpio description. I've never seen a Scorpio flip out like that.

However, I think a lying Pisces feels fear a lot--it's just that since this fear is near constant, they can act in a manner that's neutral to it. Maybe an honest, more spiritually advanced Pisces wouldn't feel fear.

The thing with most astrology books is that they only point out the flattering side of signs and ignore the bad. Cancers nice, home loving side is PC, but their inconstant, high mood-swing and explosive side is not PC. (Even though that description, IMO, describes them better on a fundamental level.) Scorpio's "dark side" is glorified in astrology books so it's mentioned quite frequently. However, I've read that Scorpio's power is in their silence and that makes a lot of sense to me. (They basically know when to keep their mouth shut so that you can't dominate them.) Since Scorpios are more aware of power games, they might be powerful in that sense, but I don't see them as explosive as Cancer--especially a Cancer with a strong Pluto and Uranus.



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My brother is a Scorpio and I have seen him "explode" on many occasions. However I believe your comment has a lot of truth to it and here's why:

One day I'm sitting in his room watching the big screen tv he got (by trading my tv no less lol), and he comes in and starts beating his mini refridgerator for what to me seemed like no reason. All I knew was he was mad but I didn't know why. He left the room after the "fridge beating" and when he came back in he seemed perfectly fine.

I believe when Scorpio's explode they only do it for a split second before they return to ice- I think that's where they're power lies- in silence. Makes sense to me too.

As for Pisces- my father is one, and it never fails to either shock me or outrage me when he lashes out. You don't expect it with them, and that is really an advantage for them.

As for which signs are tougher than others- I think all signs have their different advantages and weaknesses. You wouldn't expect a Capricorn to stand their ground against a Scorpio, but I've done it. It depends, I think, on the reasons why each sign is fighting in the first place, and what there is to gain.



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I see cancers dominating scorpios with their cardinality all the time. One cancer woman in particular stands out in my mind, she was like a little tyrant and all the employees feared her, even me to an extent, because she had this really sarcastic way of embarrassing you and pointing out your short comings. Scorpios on the other hand always seem to play their games secretly. I have an astrology book that says scorpio woman is the one woman who, if you break up with her over dinner, will stand up and throw water in your face and embarrass you in front of everyone. In my experience this is QUITE FALSE. In fact, although it didn't happen to me, I have a direct source from a situation almost identical to the aforementioned. My leo friend was doing a 'sudden breakup' to his scorpio girlfriend over dinner, and instead of blowing up or lethally stinging him or whatever the astro books would have you believe, she had a calm face the entire time, trying her hardest not to show the slightest bit of emotion, and the leo told me that he could tell she was really trying her best to hide her sadness and anger. That seems to me the general way they do things, exploding only in private if ever. I mean sure enough, any sign can blow up, but from my experience the shy crab is far more likely to boil over and use his passive aggression.

I think you're right about the pisces being able to hurt with deceit, but in terms of direct confrontations I have yet to see a pisces really play the bad guy in an overbearing way. I think very often, mostly in males I suppose, pisces is the consummate dog that barks but doesn't bite. My best friend has an uncle who's notorious to the rest of his family. He's loudmouthed and outspoken and rages constantly about every thing, he threatens to kill this person or that, he's been arrested many times (keep in mind only when he was drunk, needing the influence of alcohol to really send him over the edge) but in reality all his threats are very hollow and he doesn't carry any of them out. I saw him exploding in rage once but then a lady asked him why he was acting so childish and he instantly mellowed out and turned reverent. I was in a car with this piscean uncle once and someone was beeping the horn at us, he screamed out the window "beep again and I'll beep your fu##ing head!" But the guy continued beeping and the barking uncle just fumed silently.

Honestly, in my personal opinion, I think the thing that makes the crab the most dangerous potentially of all the water signs is simply his cardinality. I suppose it all depends on the makeup of the chart, but POTENTIALLY speaking, I think the cardinality of the cancer will make him actively seek out to do harm, injure, explode upon, etc when enraged or brought to the point of meltdown, whereas a scorpio will turn sullen and brood and perhaps overcome the threat with their fixed patience, or a pisces might slip away, not feeling they have anything to prove, but the constantly searching and constantly active cardinality of the crab will far more often seek to cause trouble whether in retaliation for an insult or injury or whatever reason. Like I said it depends on your chart, but me for instance, having mars in libra, (and I think Bob Marks is absolutely right about the fact that libra doesn't weaken mars as is often thought but instead causes your martian energy to be channeled towards injustice and cooperation) and various other volatile aspects, whenever I sense the slightest injustice it sends me on this warpath where I feel it is my duty to act no matter what. A few months ago I saw a guy beating up his girlfriend on the street and it just sent me into an animalistic fury, my blood instantly began to pump and my hands were shaking, I charged over and confronted him getting in his face and telling him to hit me if he likes to hit weaker humans, the utter carnal ferocity in my eyes must have terrified him because he backed down and started apologizing. Now, I'm no hero, nor do I consider myself especially brave, in fact I fear pain and conflict as much as the next crab, but in certain times my cancerian cardinality spiked with volatile planetary aspects causes me to charge forward and seek battle with anything that stands in my path and I think I'm not the only crab who's like this.


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I also agree with you that Pisces is less likely to confront you directly but that is why they are so hard to deal with. How can you confront someone who fights in a 'secret assassin' type way--someone who is so sneaky that they hurt you by getting others to gang up on you... that they do it in a way such that you probably wouldn't even pin the blame on them...

Cancer is more directly confrontational than Pisces but out of all the signs I would least want to **** a Pisces off. Pisces is the secret assassin of the Zodiac. Like you yourself admitted, when you go up against a Pisces, somehow things get twisted so that you are the loser, but it's hard to comprehend how that even happened!


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Cancer vs Scorpio...both can brood for eternity
How does Cancer hurt Scorpio? Or does it need to attack to even be stronger?

Mother vs Scorpion
Mothers can be very scary, esp when their young are threatened. Scorpio is dangerous if you challenge it's ego.

Also, Moon vs Pluto/Mars. It's hard to say...


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Personally, I think Linda Goodman's description of the sunsigns were crap because she spent too much time trying to make each sign seem so unique. (She was also way too positive in her descriptions--like she didn't want to point out the bad. Compare this to that Athena lady's books, which had keywords describing each sign, and then pointed out the *positive* AND *negative* tendencies that the keywords could relate too.) Because of her need to make each sign unique, she wouldn't mention Cancer's unstable or dominating side since "scorpio" is stereotypically supposed to be power. It was like she wanted to present each sign with such uniqueness that she avoided mentioning overlapping qualities between the signs because they would take away from that uniqueness.

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But anyhow, Lyrical I think you're right about some of Linda Goodman, she does seem to try too hard to make each sign so unique, especially nausea inspiring was her scorpio descriptions which describe a being so powerful and deadly and lethal and unapproachable as to turn a blind eye on 80 or 90% of REAL LIVE scorpios who don't have any of those characteristics whatsoever, I have never met these mythical creatures of which she speaks that dedicate their entire lives to secretly subverting tyrannical institutions whilst lethally poisoning and burning holes through concrete walls with their stares in the process. But anyhow, she did describe cancer a little strangely too, I think alot of it is accurate but from what I remember (I might be wrong) she seemed to describe alot of sociability and portraying cancer as the life of the party, a lover of limelight as much as leo, and I think that is fine as long as you underline it with things that are far more prominent in a cancerian's life, which is the insecurities pervading all this 'sociability.' I think it's true the cancer loves to laugh and loves good company but I don't remember her even making an effort in describing cancer's insecurities and fears as relating to this topic either.

As for your comments on water, I think that is its greatest strength that sets it apart in my opinion from the rest is that it is highly reflective, we know the moon reflects the sun's light but the oceans too can reflect whatever stars or planets face them from above. Water can take the shape of any container, it can move briskly and erratically like air, it can surge and flare like fire, it can freeze over and be as hard as earth, or it can flow tranquilly like it is best suited for.



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Yeah.. but but Aries is the baby of the zodiac we're cwwwute and little .. Cancer is so motherly.. They wouldn't hurt someone so baby-like, don't you think? Not your typical nice Cancerian anyways, but there are exceptions to the rule, like perhaps Cancer ppl who happen to have Aries placements like maybe Mars *wink* *wink* reowww so war-like

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Lol

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