posted March 08, 2005 10:14 AM              

A Taurus will demand retribution in person, however, when there is no explanation, in the end there is a very unhappy Gemini, which is what the Taurus wants least in the world. So I can't help feeling becoming unhappy is the Gemini goal, in a passive-aggressive sort of way. Am i wrong?

posted March 08, 2005 10:07 PM              

I don't doubt that there are messed up Gems out there--the proportion is actually mind-boggling. But every sun sign does have a purpose...by reducing Gems to vindictive psychos we are belittling their value in the zodiac...and lets not forget that Scorps are supposed to be the most vindictive. I always tell my mom, who's so fascinated by astrology, that Geminis and Scorpios have a tendency to become very diabolical. Now thats not a bad thing--lets remember that Satan was among the most intelligent of angels, if you believe in religion. If not, you can still find ample examples of the fact that even evil people are usually extremely intelligence but just simply don't put their intelligence to the right use. I'm not saying lets go out and love evil people and justify their actions--but we must understand where bad actions stem from instead of just condemning them.

Geminis are not meant to be unhappy--but they are very layered people. Some parts of them, by being happy, intrinsically make the rest of them sad. For example, if as a Gem I am making a headway in my career I am ecstatic that Im doing so great career-wise but at the same time I'm sad that I'm sacrificing some opportunities to get there. Yes I know it is silly--you must give something up to get something, but a lot of Gems think about too much at once, that is their only problem, they want to have their cake and eat it too, and it takes them a lot of trips to hell and bitter experiences to learn that.

As a Taurus I wouldn't be surprised if you are shocked at a lot of things that Gems do, I have seen that Taureans in general have a very very difficult time understanding Gems, perhaps the most difficult time of anyone else in the zodiac. One of my Taurus uncles has condemned me as an evil b*tch, insolent and rude. I know awesome Taureans and not so awesome ones, but I know that there are good and bad characteristics of Taurus in general, no matter how great or how bad they get, they still have both good and bad in them, in one instance, the good overcomes the bad and minimizes it, in the other case, the opposite happens.

By making the Gem man you encountered a monster, or by exalting Taureans or any other sign based on personal experience seems faulty simply because, for example, Saddam Hussein being a Taurus, what if some Iraqi person whose family has been killed by him, claims that all Taureans are evil because Saddam was one? How illogical would that be.

Even within all our lamenting and bashing signs that we don't understand most of the time it doesn't get noticeable one-sided, and I am not pointing a finger at you sthenri, I love your posts, and I think you're so insightful and intelligent...you are one of the most intelligent posters on this forum, truly. But, lately, I think out of all of your threads, 90 percent, seem to be anti-Gem, and I question that because I think it is out of the ordinary for someone as balanced as yourself to lash out at one sign in particular like that. To lash out at one person, sure, but to lash out at one entire sun sign, why?

posted March 08, 2005 10:11 PM              

Later on down:
"As a Taurus I wouldn't be surprised if you are shocked at a lot of things that Gems do"

I meant to type: "For you, (a Taurus) I wouldn't be surprised if you are shocked at a lot of things that we Gems do"

posted March 08, 2005 11:57 PM              

Slaves that are freed love the lttle bit of land they get to own even more, the air smells sweeter, so I am free of the slavery of this one Gemini, and he sucks me back in again, taking away my precious physical and emotional space, with that intent in mind. It's not paranoia, it's anger. The challenge for me is trying to understand such a person, who would not see mental or emotional rights, when Geminis are said to be so intelligent and said to respect the written word, mental space?

The anger is there coming from me, but in order to enjoy the fruits of my labour, which I have worked so hard for, my social life with my friends at a poetry reading, I have to smother my anger, and act happy, towards someone who hates me. And I have to look forward to this on a constant basis until my stomach ulcers rip me apart. And why do all the Geminis I meet defend this practice of being multi layered? Because it's easy to dominate me psychologically, and that's not making me any less vindictive myself.

When I am vindictive, it's not petty, it cuts very deep, so I am working hard emotionally, but it's like being underwater with no air, I can't see my escape, and I feel death is near.

I don't mean to be dramatic, I mean it's like that, I really feel death is in the room when this particular Gemini is around. I was almost married to another Gemini who in the end, made me feel the same way. I would say very controlling people find me, and try to dominate me on a regular basis, my business in the arts is almost about being used mentally. people use me and my thoughts for entertainment value, and then I dont' see them again.

Sun opp Ascendant-is said to attract powerful people who try to influence me. Well, they do that and more. I would prefer not to live that way, as it makes me feel dependent on phony goodwill, but I am a woman, more than a Taurus, and I believe women were meant to be smarter. hopefully I can do that, and save myself instead of being rescued, from one of the most evil men I have ever met, not because of what he does, but because of what he believes to be true, and how hard he is willing to force others to believe it too.

I once met a man in my office, a very controlling Aquarius, who sexually harassed his assistant into suicide. He felt no remorse, guess her sign?
Taurus,
Why I have created such an enemy in this Gemini I don't really know. But it has happened?

I have to say the truth, and it sounds angry, but if I don't then I will have wallow in judgements, and Geminis don't understand that. This particular Gemini takes everything I say very personally, even Hello, is a wounding event, and yet I have to listen to the the worst gossip.

Until I feel more comfortable around Geminis in general, and their viewpoint on respect for others, I will have to keep a script always in my head defending my right to exist as a person, and that gets exhausting.

yes Lucifier was intelligent, but Lucifer was evil because he played with human lives. Seeing the deception isn't important, it's seeing the game that is, playing into it, believing it's okay to play with other's lives, that is the biggest evil of them all. Being sucked into it myself and having to play when i don't want to, is very hard for me, I make it hard on others and I make it hard on myself. But if I do not fight then, everyone close to me suffers.

My career depends on being around intelligent people, and many have taught me good things, and the same people have taught me how to lie. It's the only thing I am not good at, but i have to learn how to pretend to be friends! Hard for me, but i have to learn to pull back and scheme too.

I have to see it as part of my nature, instead of a sad fact of life. I like to think I am not manipulative, but actually everyone is sometimes, or they do not survive. Pluto on the 10th has a hard time with evasive half truths, but then again Nixon had this placement, so I try not to be paranoid about what other people are doing and focus on myself. I know I will survive and get ahead, the goal is to make it easier on those close to me, and avoid any artifice if possible.

(ironic for someone who creates objects for a living)

Thanks,
I think you feel what I am saying, but I do not know if you have a curiousity of feeling, or an experience of feeling?

Natasha

posted March 09, 2005 01:23 AM            

SG..I don't think that Natasha meant Gemini's as a whole- but mostly in regards to the one guy in question that she is dealing with.

I think that we are always surprized to see the negative side of a person- zodiac sign or not.

We have seen a couple of Gems here that are pretty unevolved and kind of pyscho, but I would say that 98% of the Gemini's people I have encountered are NOT like that..

I will also add that males and females of a sign are very different. I have known and been great friends with Gemini women - and never had a problem. I have known a few Gemini men that I wish never walked into my life. Is it a Gemini thing or is it a male thing?

My own sign- Sagittarius, has our fair share of unevolved people. When I was young, I was full of pee and vinegar and didn't care much for tact. It took a few hard knocks, loss of friends and even being looked over for a promotion early on in life that made me realize that I needed to get that chip off my shoulder. Luckily, I learned my lessons at a time when I could modify my responses and be more tactful- which lead to a MUCH for fulfilling life. How many times have we heard about Sag mom's being too flighty to care for their kids or taking off when things in the family got too stressful? How many Archer men have bailed out on relationships with great women here because they couldn't handle the commitment?

It is apart of the ebb and flow of life.

I think that Archers and our opposites Gemini's can be hard to understand for Taurus- at times. Then again, they can be hard for us to understand. That is the beauty of learning.

I had a very hateful Taurus Boss (Cappy moon) that turned on me when he knew I would not compromise my science to fit into what he wanted in regards to results. He was a mean and horrid human being. Then I met Mr. Taurus, WOW..can I just say that Karma taught me that not all Taurus men are jerks (then again, I had other Taurus men in my life, but none that were very close to me on a personal or professional basis).

You're right that we can't reduce a sign to being either A or B..but we can learn from the positive and negative traits expressed by them.

I love the Gemini women here that offer advice and tell their stories on life, with the exception of one or two..LOL..

posted March 09, 2005 01:53 AM              

You are a smart woman, one man cannot ruin your life, and if you let him, than you are not realizing your full potential. That's what he wants...to see you suffer, and if you do so you will be quenching his perverted thirst.

Gems don't 'defend' the practice of being multilayered, they explain it. Linda says that understanding Gems is one of the hardest things to do for any astrologer. If even we Gems cannot understand ourselves, we only ask that other people see WHY, because in reality, NO ONE can understand us, be it us or other people. No matter how close another person is to us, they never really understand us, the core inside us wrapped up in those complicated exteriors. Dehumanizing someone, or condemning them, is the easiest thing to do...we are taught to do it all our lives, regarding people who are different from us, people who we don't like, and we learn to hate people in general. Although your hate is justified, it alarms me, because it is incompatible with your beautiful nature, NOT because this Gem man is undeserving of such loathing. Also its alarming because I don't feel any sign warrants that strength of reaction, maybe a person like I said before but not a sign.

You said that you weren't targeting Gems, I am coming to accept that, but with a little difficulty, maybe just because of the way the posts were written, they don't seem that way. But I don't have a hard time believing you, because I don't think you would do something like that, you are too mature for that.

I was not taking it personally, but rather concerned that you were taking a personal hatred for Gems in general.

I put in the disclaimer about not trying to justify evil people's actions, when I talked about evil people being intelligent. I didn't say its ok to play with peoples lives, but rather that he is the classic example of an excellent person gone horrible. They say that the people on the highest pedestals, when they fall, fall to the lowest depths of darkness. This doesn't mean that I'm saying Gems are awesome human beings on some pedestal, but that seeing this man's capabilities of imagination and (Im assuming some intellectual capabilities also?), he could have achieved a very high intellectual status but failed to do so, instead falling into the opposite.

Geminis have this strength--this ability--to reach these zeniths. I really feel so because I have it in myself. There are lots of times when I have to stop myself from doing wrong things. More so than others. I think I face moral dilemmas every second of the day, thankfully I have not done something horridly unacceptable yet, although I commit minor sins/offenses continuously I think. The evil you speak of comes from not being able to resist this dark side, that yes, originates from within us. While the other signs may only have a tendency toward good, we tend much much much moreso to be torn between good and evil, that does not make us evil automatically but simply more complex, I know you are tired of hearing this word.

Each minute of the day we carry the two options: Good or evil? Not one second, even when we do good things, does the option of evil go away. Because our mind thinks too much, it races ahead, it thinks of all the possible options even the ones that shouldn't be thought about.

now reading back to your first post on this thread I can see that you were also more hurt because you had positive expectations from Gems in general. This man may have dashed those expectations, but I hope the good Gems you meet in the future, or on this forum, will restore your faith eventually.

posted March 09, 2005 04:03 AM              

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Geminis are not meant to be unhappy

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NOONE is meant to be unhappy.

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but they are very layered people

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posted March 09, 2005 02:59 PM            

"Gemini - Archer Dental Care" our motto..

Lean back..open wide..and enjoy the show...(evil laughter) buzzzzzzz....oooops...I must have had the xray backwards..no worries...you didn't need that tooth anyway, it't not like you don't have a bunch of others

Or...with our obvious lack of tact

posted March 09, 2005 04:06 PM              

*looks at lunch distastefully....*
maybe im not that hungry afterall!

hahah yes but i get what you're saying! we can be quite insensitive yet expect others to not be so....but still we have that speshal somethin ya know