posted March 05, 2005 01:56 PM            

That may also be because I had a potential job offer to manage a California location in my step-mom's family business which means I would be moving without him..

But that is not the funny part...he and I started to talk about the garden and he said 'Are those horrible dogs next door giving you any trouble"..he kind of growls..

"No Baby..they are my friends now. They don't even bark when I am outside, they just watch and wag their tails. In fact, I like to pet then from time to time...one is...."

He cuts be off Abruptly...I can hear the steam coming out of his nostrils 'WHAT!!!! You PET them...you SHOULD NOT DO THAT' You stay away from those dogs..that neighbor is a menace..always having different men over their and what is with all those beer bottles..etc..".

I said "Look, the dogs offer me some comfort. They are quiet when I am back there and protective of me now. When a stranger has passed by the backyard they always bark..I am here by myself and it gives the appearance that those our my dogs.."/

He said "Stop petting them..you might catch something..the next time you go out there and they give you that look..don't get all mushy like you ALWAYS do when you see animals..tell them "Mr. T said I cannot pet you anymore because your mom is a wierdo".

LMAO...he was serious..then he said "You know..I have called the cops on that woman at least 4 times and she did get confrontational with me if you remeber"

Yes, he is right about that and I think he did the right thing calling the cops / animal control. She leaves her dogs out there day after day..even when it is so cold and without adequate shelter. She has been cited more than twice... but I can't help but feel sorry for those dogs.

When they seem me and I pet them they are just so happy to have attention..to have someone care.

Then he launched into "You know..should you get that job as an Animal control officer with the county, you CANNOT just pet every animal..it is not a petting zoo"

Me...rolling my eyeballs in a major fit of histrionics...'DUH..I have worked with animal control for years and have worked with animals for a heck of alot longer. BUT...AC officers STILL have compassion...they try to do as much as they can for the animals and save them from abuse".

We left it at that.... I am still giggling over the "Mr. T said I cannot pet you".

As if..LOL, I am a Saggie..come on now

posted March 05, 2005 09:01 PM            

'Pidaua..Baby..Do YOU know where my wallet is, I can't find it?"...almost like I had a team of elves hide it from him...usually it turns out it is in his pants from the night before LOL...

Yeah..I love the stomping around bit too..like we don't notice they are in a tiff LOL...

posted March 05, 2005 09:17 PM            

You're right..I am very lucky in that. I just think he sometimes gets to be "So ARMY" that he carries his Staff Sergeant manners home. His telling me that I was to tell the dogs that he said I can't pet them made me just roll..but I didn't bust out too bad..he was on his cell and had his fellow SSGT from his squad with him..but even his friend was laughing at that.

LOL....I do support his meaning...in that we have had problems with the neighbor, so it is better for me not to get close to the dogs in case she calls the cops and says I hurt them or something.

posted March 05, 2005 09:25 PM              

He must really love your brain, and beauty together and the way you rebell sweetly,
BTW I have to brag, I found a celibate (not by choice) Leo? just divorced, fresh into the dating scene who I find cute, and who thinks I am sexy. So, what do you think I am going to do with him? Of course I should edit this post, because I am blushing but he is so "groomed",

Have fun with Mr. T:>

posted March 05, 2005 09:48 PM            

But, with your Venus in Aries and some of his softer planetary placements, I think you may have a chance of understanding him and anticipating his mood swings.

I know that having Mr T and my synastry, individual and composite charts put together really helped me understand some of his personality quirks.

I think he does admire my brain and looks (well I know because he says it all the time..and I love that he can't keep his hands off me - not in a public groping kind of way, but he just loves touching me)..and I love touching him too LOL..now I am blushing.

But yes, there are times when some of my little quips go over his head and times when his Mercury in Gemini just peeves me LOL...

I also know with him that when he does get into that mode to just sit back and let it play out. Just like he can really handle when I get high strung or when my temper flares..he just kind of sits there, yawns....and if I get too upset and start to peeve him..he will get firm..I admire that.

Now the Leo..I found that he needed the passion the fighting...but when pushed to far his Aqua moon would freak out..and I mean you could almost see the little short circuits in his eyes...then BAM...he would blink alot and stomp off...

I also didn't chase him, but I did challenge him. He was kind of a jerk at a meeting and made some comment about our sales book like 'Well, I hope this stuff works or else I won't ruin my rep on it". I said "Well, maybe if you showed up on time then you would know what the presentation / product is all about!"

It just kind of escalated from there...this instant attraction, flirting..you know that beating in your heart when that person is close (His Mars also conjuncted my Sun / Venus which fell in his 7th / 8th house). His venus in Gem opposed my Venus causes tons of fire works and his Sun, moon, Merc, Venus and Mars all made nice aspects to my moon.

posted March 05, 2005 10:14 PM              

I was firm on my biggest desire, which is that he invite me to his new place after his divorce and let me into his life for a while before we get physical. Time will tell if he will do that or not, I wanted to just take him home and let him move in with me, but i knew that wouldn't last. Hopefully I made the right decision as he could quickly move on, or take too long to settle into his new home, I called him today and I think he knows he's on the A list now and he has been propositioned.

Now it's his turn to do something, now if I can only be patient and wait.

I just feel the Leo has more drama, excitement, richness to offer, but then he has that Venus in Virgo which doesn't usually work for me, I have no clue what he's like sexually which is a big challenge to me as I usually know by looking. I hope again, that it works out. He's so slow at moving into his new place and decorating, that I am wearing myself out waiting. I have to go down to Boston next week and I will visit two Cancer men that I like to hang out with. I don't want to wear myself out, but I am getting the feeling this Leo is a shy one, and I will have to make the moves, if it's not good physically, it probably won't last if I have to wait after all that!

Editing this to say
I relate to your warning/description of your ex, I have said before Air moons can express their feelings in strange ways, my ex was like that. If I start to feel manipulated, put down, i will end it immediately. I have other fish in the sea.

posted March 05, 2005 11:01 PM            

I think that if anyone can handle a Leo Sun / Aqua moon - it is you..Also his Venus in Cancer goes nicely with your Cancer moon and Taurus sun. It may also add to even out that full moon nature.

Sexually, I have to say that the ex-Leo was great. He was not as emotional or experimental as Mr. T, but we shared this deep spiritual connection- something about our "souls touching" is all I can really say to describe it.

We would absolutely amaze each other with the depths of our sexual natures and I loved how he looked at me..it was carnal, passionate but he also seemed to be just in awe of me. He had also been married twice, like your Leo. His sexual experience was mostly with the few women he had comitted to as he was not a real sleep around (Saturn in the 12th).

He was also very patient with me concerning the waiting period and was very gentle, loving and patient. I had just come out of a marriage with a man that was sexually disinterested, he had also experienced the same with is ex-wife..so we that in common.

I remember this one time when we were "trying" something new move..LOL...and he looked at me intently and said (with that trademark Leo Sun / Aqua moon crooked smile)..Now..don't you try this with anyone else..this is "our" move LMAO...

It was so cute.

I do like to see Fire with Earth though. Something about both being able to motivate each other in different ways that two fire signs cannot achieve. He still calls me to this day to tell me how much he still loves me and misses me. That sexually he will never meet anyone like me nor share the closeness that we shared.

I am pulling for the two of you..but also remember, Leo, like Taurus, can be a possessive sign. I don't see him doing well if you and he start an exclusive relationship and you keep seeing too many male friends. I pushed my Leo to the limit in that area, but it was business and a part of our business was meeting with mostly male clients / customers in the ag business.

posted March 05, 2005 11:11 PM              

I did just come out of surgery so he was put off for a while but I made it clear, it wasn't him, that was me healing and underneath i am looking forward to seeing him again. I sense he is a bit moody, and insecure, and I won't touch that so I know if it's him or something I am doing. i will not mention one man ever to him, I know better.

But as for male friends, I see no reason to not to spend the night with a man, on his couch if I have laid down the law (business friend), because basically I only hang out with men I trust or ones with g/f's, I know and sense when one is coming on to me even in his head and I am very clear I can leave at anytime, some of us want to have fun and prefer the opposite sex, but I don't want a serious relationship with every man I meet, nor do I want to engage in closeness or contact either.

I am very much a hands, heart, head all in the same place person but I don't show it, as that would make me too genuine and easily taken advantage of, in business I have to lie a lot, that is practice not being so open, I have a very open nature and I have learned to be cool, but I am never, deceptive.

Deceptions are from anxiety, and I am never socially anxious, impatient, yes but not anxious about my reaction or men's reactions to me, I know they like me and vice versa and I dont' need the reassurance.

As for travelling, I need to travel for business and I am not going to depend on female friends, they are either too flaky or off with their b/f's for the night and leave me alone and bored.

posted March 06, 2005 12:11 AM              

Does Mr. T have "NCO Face"?

(And I mean that in a good way.)

posted March 06, 2005 01:03 AM            

LOL..he has been an NCO for a while..he just bumped up a new level and they sent him to BNOC for his promotional training..but YES..he has had that look often here..It seems this Fort has a lot of young pups that don't like to follow the rules. One of them was just dishonorably discharged AND thrown into on Post Jail.

It is odd to see him in action- the way that they address each other and if one should happen to step out of line the SSGT's will set them straight. One young guy (he is at Fort Leonard Wood so there are soldiers that range from basic training to advanced NCO training) anyway, this guy had an earing in his ear and was wearing his BDU's. Both Mr. T and his squad buddy gave him an earful..LOL..it was sad, but part of that whole Army thing.

For me..well it's cool. I understand it, but being one that does not do well with authority myself, I kind of cringe at the structure of it all.

How about you? How are you doing with it all? Are you getting into the culture or do you sometimes ask yourself "What am I doing in this alien world?". Both you and I are lucky in that we have soldiers that are also more open-minded and spiritual. Mr. T is a Taoist (but was raised Baptist) so he goes with it, but deep down his philosophies are different. Yet, I have to say, I admire his dedication. He is Army all the way, but he is also looking forward to when he is out in 2006. He has had an 11 year relationship with the Army, 10 years now Active duty..so he is happy to be saying goodbye soon

Is Jase going to re-enlist when his time is up? He has been in for almost 2 years hasn't he?

Natasha,

I think you are doing it right..but in all honesty, most Leo's will not like even their woman staying at someone's house that is male even if it is business and platonic... I have to admit... we fire signs can be a bit jealous and possessive about some things..I know that I would be pretty upset if Mr. T wanted to stay at a friends house if she was female..unless she was married or in a live in relationship (and it was Army related).

He does stay at his friends house most weekends (she and Mr. T served together in Germany) She is married to a cool German dude and I have talked to them often and stayed there myself when we went to visit. But at first, I was a bit uneasy about it

posted March 06, 2005 02:36 PM              

I love Cancer and Pisces men because they have the insecurity thing down pat, they know they are insecure, they deal with it, and accept it's part of them. It's not a headache at some point in life. My best Pisces male friend told me when I married the Libra, that he was a mistake, he would always be insecure and jealous and never change. The difference with Pisces and Cancers is that they change, listen, grow, understand feelings are hard to rationalize. He was right.

The libra never stopped demanding I make accounts for my time, once I did that my life went down hill. I used to model swimsuits, when I did that I wasn't dating, but I couldnt' keep a boyfriend either, only because I told them if a man was making a move on me. Now I just keep my mouth shut as I can deal with it on my own. Friends are there for that sort of thing, I don't believe men and women can be best friends anymore.

The Libra got very abusive even after I stopped modeling and would tear off my clothes and make me stand outside the house until he allowed me to come in, usually after I guessed correctly how unhappy I made him feel by some imagined action.

Once he made me undress and get out of a car and stand in the middle of an intersection until he said I could get back in, I can't even tell you how many times he threw me out of a car and made me walk home barefoot so I understood how he felt, I am tired of guess how I feel.

I do not always want to know everything, because it would just feed my insecurities, and I am not expected to have any. To be honest most men think women are better than that, we are expected to be honest and above suspicion all the time, so any little problem is huge. I don't want to have to prove my goodness, because if someone loved me, he would accept all of me, the way I am, goodness and badness and expect me to love him when I am with him, without deception or holding back.

It's the way people treat each other when they are there, that matters to me, not what someone has to do to live, and I don't believe any man really cares what happens to me when I walk out the door, unless it has to do with something he will lose, that is why I trust my male friends to fill in the gaps. Cancer and Pisces men are incredibly good at being the mother you always needed, the straight shooter, the one who tells you when you are putting on the rose coloured glasses. Many times I need to do that, so I listen, to those who listen to me about more than where my body will be, as you said before,

Many men are just looking for a mother figure, especially in a Taurus, if I don't rebel a bit, I will be walked all over. If a man is afraid to trust me, then he is afraid to see me happy, since I am a very trustworthy person unless of course you ignore me, or act like I am inferior, then I just leave.

A lot of the attraction from men to me is the idea that I will change. The Libra would always say, why don't you change? Air men and air moons like the woman to change, they like the opposite of what they are and then they try to change her. From nice to bad, from bad to nice, from black to white, it's a challenge. When the Gemini liked me it was because I was unavailable, then he forced me to change, then he didn't like it because I was happy.

Now if he sees me with another man he will try to change that, more change for change's sake. And if he is happy with a woman, he will want to change her, and since she won't he wil force her to be unhappy until he forces her to leave, or finds someone else to change.

Air signs are so big on change, but people do not change quickly, already the Leo wants me to come over and help him decorate, but he didn't want me to come to his house until he was "ready", I think he is a little peeved that I would not let him into my life and arms until I had been over to his home, or at least he wants to set the pace.

The point of my life is my pace, I need to go through life slower, and it has be more fulfilling. If a man doesn't want to share my life, then I would rather he would leave.

So I relate very well to what you were saying about your Leo ex, and his attitudes towards commitment.

posted March 06, 2005 03:25 PM            

I am not sure if your Leo was exactly "peeved" as much as he wanted to make sure that his house was in order before you came over. He may not understand all your rules (and let's face it, you have many rules based on the abusive behaviour you have had to endure with your exes). Leo, like Taurus, likes to have that house in order- I am the same way. I cannot stand if people just drop by and my house is not ready - it is just annoying. LOL...

But- you both were able to work with it. I think it is great that he wants you to help him (but watch for that Leo Sun / Aqua moon dependence thing).

As far as insecurity versus trust goes..I am not sure you are understanding my point. Trust is very important, but there is also a point where a person will push those boundries just to test the limits. If I knew that Mr. T had lunch with a beautiful business associate it wouldn't bother me in the least. I am not intimidated by beautiful women and I am very confident in my looks LOL..

If he said he was spending the night at her house or if he crashed there without me knowing until the next day. I would be very upset. That is pushing the boundries. In a dating relationship it is more like setting up boundries and what one person is willing to accept and what one person is willing to give up. In a comitted relationship it just isn't right to put oneself in that position unless there are other circumstances involved.

Making one undress on the freeway is abuse, spending the night at a member of the opposite sexes house just to prove a point is pushing the boundries.

You do need to stand up for who you are- but I have learned (mostly from Mr. T) that you CANNOT judge your current love interest based on the past. Like Mr. T said to me "I am not your ex-husband I am NOT going to stop desiring you or push you out. I am not that Ex Leo that is going to depend on you and become a drunk".

But see..I was rebelling against THEM and using that rebelling against Mr. T.

In the end you have to ask yourself as you go further down this road. Do you really want a commitment? If you do how far are you willing to go to try and break it up by rebeling (and I am not talking about just standing up for yourself)?

Or are you of the mindset "Well, if he can't take it then he can hit the road because he is not worth it anyway?"

posted March 06, 2005 04:10 PM              

To give up friends and hobbies for someone before he has committed to me is tough, I just can't put myself out there, financially, or emotionally and wait on a commitment. When I was with the Libra, he couldn't say I love you for years, while we were together, not because it was him, because I put up with it. If I had waited until I received a firm commitment from him, I would have been allright.

Now I only have one rule, that is that the man must be able to be free to commit to me, every day, that is spend the night and wake up with me in a series of nights. If he feels uncomfortable spending the next day with me, but can come back in a week, that's not what I want, because there is something wrong with the relationship, and I if I put up with that then there is something wrong with how I am stating my needs.

Unexpressed needs lead to anger, and I must express my simple needs firmly over and over again, honestly men don't remember anything I say, only what I do, but I feel what I say should matter, so I not only want a physical commitment but a mental one as well. I am mentally and emotionally committed to a man, but when I am, I find I am usually alone in the house, night after night, and I can't explain why.

Not having any peace of mind, or being able to express your needs or insecurities to anyone, is sheer hell. I don't want to go through that again for anyone, because it's not healthy for me.

So I need a more mental partner, one who is willing to talk about what's going on in our life, and he can't do that if we don't have a life except for sex, food, and his work.

That you were willing to move for M. T and give up your job, that's amazing, but even though I could see my sister doing that, moving 3000 miles away to be with her husband, I can't imagine doing that, I can't imagine losing my entire support system for a man when he could leave at anytime. knowing that I am alone in the world without anyone to depend on except his family is a danger to my emotional and physical health. Plus I can't have a child in that situation, I become too undone and miscarry.

My Aries husband moved me to the Rockies in the middle of nowhere and left on his motorcycle for weeks on end, never telling me when he'd come home of course. I am proud and I would never ask, but I was very unhappy because all I could do was shop, work out, talk to his mother who I couldn't stand and study to conver to his religion, he never invited me anywhere with his guys. I felt like I was living with a gay man who had no interest in women. I ended up, to my shame cheating on him, by fooling around with another guy but i had to be driven to extremes to do that.

I confessed and even then he wouldn't let me leave, I finally told him I was sick, and needed care and he let me leave with my shoes and purse only. He sent the rest of my things later, I was devastated but happy to get out of there, it was like a living death, every day the same after the last, with his guy friends to talk to, and tv, and nothing else to do but watch snow fall.

It's like there was something wrong with me that I needed to be locked away like that, plus I think he needed to be alone but I am not furniture, I offer no real support on my own.

So like a Merc in Gemini that I am, I feed on information, and when a man has none I feel alone, that is why the last one and I met at a reading, we both like to feed our brains, after we stopped doing that, the spark died.

Commitment is about loyalty for me, not following rules, but all the rules I follow are absolutely necessary for my own survival, because I knew that if I brought the Leo home with me, we'd have sex and I'd never hear from him again. I know from experience, not from instinct.

Some of us learn the hard way, and some of us learn the easy way, I think it depends on your teachers, and your belief in the power of love. I do not have such a strong faith in love as others do, as i do not have parents anymore, so my Cancer and Pisces friends are sort of like family.

When I lost my Pisces best guy friend, I felt like I was dying everyday, I don't want to go through that again,

posted March 06, 2005 05:59 PM            

Okay...short story..

Natasha,

I now understand more where you are coming from. I also now see what you mean about staying with friends over staying in a cold / sterile hotel. I think that your Leo will also understand if / when the two of you enter into a relationship.

I agree with what you said on most of your points..and I have heard Mr. T say exactly what you have said regarding the commitment meaning two people spend time together- nights etc....

As far as me leaving MD..I was going to leave anyway. I had planned to move back out west since I am from this area. I just thought it would be Idaho, but my dad lives outside of Phoenix - only 3 hours away. My dad and I have always had a great relationship and had I not moved to AZ I wouldn't have been able to spend all this time with him. Now that he is retired he is more relaxed (he had a very stressful job as a Narcotics agent).

I only left a couple of friends, that I still keep in contact with and an ex-husband. Other than that, I was alone. I did think that I would be able to get back into biotech..so that has been a major sacrifice. Compounded by the problem that Mr. T does not want me to work in Phoenix because that means I won't be home for more than 2 days a week.

He wants to make me happy, but he can't take care of both of us and support my way of living..meaning, I need financial freedom to buy the things I like- even though I am frugal, I just can't see me asking for money. He is great and it isn't a slight to him and I would never let him know that...because it would hurt him. I just tell him I need to work because it is important to me and it is for OUR future

posted March 06, 2005 06:23 PM              

Like an old drinker,

The Leo did tell me he thought I was like a porcelain doll and he was afraid to touch me because I might break, also he wasn't sure if there were sparks,
he hasn't gotten back to me though after my announcement of feeling, so I will post back what he says.

After all, My stomach flips at a lot of things/men, I am kind of easy to flip, and then the uneasy feeling settles in the pit of my stomach, sort of like a horror movie. That's what happened with the Libra, one day flip, next day sick!

posted March 10, 2005 02:43 PM              

I have been reading and enjoying your posts for a long time.

Now I want to offer you some advice, for your own good:

You are too focused on men and sex. My god, how many husbands and men have you gone through? Take your time and don't rush in so fast. Also, don't ask - "What is your birth date and birth time?" as soon as you meet someone. That way, you won't analyze your entire relationship before it even begins. For example, not all scorpio rising males have low self esteem because of their mothers. Just let some of your relationships unfold naturally. Don't analyze the whole thing to death - not good to jump to conclusions. You don't have to rush in and be joined at the hip with some guy. Take it slowly; that way, you can figure things out before you are too emotionally and physically involved (it will be easier on you to get out of the relationship). Self protecton.

Don't get in huff about this, which, based on reading your many posts - you probably will any way.

Love,
KEY

posted March 10, 2005 02:59 PM              

I absolutely, positively did not mean anything that you posted - calling Natasha a sex addict, whatever.

Yes, I am sure Natasha has had much training and that she is an excellent astrologist.

I just think she is too focused on men.
Plus, everyone else says what they think - about relationships, etc. Can't I?

Please delete my post if it is offensive. That was not my intent.

Relax.

KEY