posted March 09, 2005 03:26 PM              

as u all know, scorpio is v. famous for being vindictive, sometimes even called the MOST vindictive sign of the zodiac etc etc...but Scorpio is not the only vindictive zodiac sign...

There was a debate on another astro forum, where they discussed water signs and revenge, and here are some
replies from it:

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Cancers have armor. Scorpios have weapons. Pisces are defenseless.

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A Pisces - Holding hands, kissing, touching, etc, The next day - "What the hell happen? oops sorry I didn't mean it. I'm not like that or Am I?"

A Cancer - Talks about childhood, I never got much love, not this, not that cry cry, then starts arguing, I hate you - Next day, I love you, Next day - I hate you, Next day - I love you, Next day - I hate you, Next day - I love You..anyway you get the point.

A Scorpio - "You're so beautiful, I am intrigued by you, I really really really like you (my name)" Kiss Kiss, touch touch, hold hold etc. And then he tells u about his past lover, how he doesn't wanna get hurt like that ever again blah blah, Next day - "Look I don't know what I want, I want you but don't want to get hurt, Want You, BUT NO HURT...Me CONFUSED."

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"All the water signs have an affinity for pain: pain-enduring as well as pain-inflicting. You expect it with Scorpio, are not too surprised when Cancer shows it; but, when gentle, understanding Pisces suddenly sticks in the knife and twists it, the pain hurts all the more because it seems such a betrayal! That happens at the point where Pisces has gone too long in pain-enduring circumstances and a last straw brings on the flash of anger that anticipates the next sign, Aries."

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The most evil, aggressive, vindictive, nasty person I ever met in my life was a CANCER. I hated her. All the Scorpios I have ever known were exceedingly tame in comparison. They make better friends in many ways. If you don't like the fact that my experience contradicts yours, then too bad. My experience is valid and I don't have to prove it to anybody (hello Gemini Nymph)

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I have Moon in Cancer and Venus in Scorpio. If someone hurts me then the first thing that will happen is that the barriers go up (Cancer). Then I cut the other person out of my life completely (Scorpio).

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I am a Cancer and Hell yes we are vindictive. Cancer is supposed to be one of the most verbally-abusive signs. We will try to control you through guilt and make you feel like nothing so that you are weaker than us. Through our cuts and jabs at you, we trick you into think that you are weak so that you will become depend us and need us.

Scorpios practice silence most of the time; then when they blow up it seems powerful. Cancers on the other hand are a cardinal sign (as opposed to fixed)--that makes us much more confrontational over even little things than fixed scorpio. Yes, Cancers can be understanding as well, but the archetypical Cancer vacillates between being extremely understanding and extremely selfish. Remember that we are ruled by the moon, the most inconstant of all planets, even moreso than Mercury. The moon also symbolizes both 'beauty' and the 'beast', and the transformation between the two poles. Likewise, cancer can seem soft, charming and weak at times and extremely aggressive, brave and foolhardy at other times. Both of these opposite behaviours are caused by the same things--lack of confidence in our abilities. This makes Cancers just "hide in their shells" out of fear of being able to deal with situations at times; and at other times come on way too aggressive out of fear of our effectiveness or power.

Another archetype of Cancer is both the Child and Protector. The cancer is supposed to be the weak child that seems helpless but also the force that protects it. Think of Cancer Mike Tyson--sometimes he seems so charming and soft, like a weak baby, and other times he seems really aggressive like he will kill any mofo who so much as questions him. As a Cancer myself, I can relate to that.

We also symbolize "mother". Think of what mom means. On the good side, mom is the force that protects a child during infancy. But mom is also emotionally manipulative, wants the child to be dependent and wants power over the child. Basically, the trade-off for all mom's attention is the control she _expects_ to have over you. This is key. Cancers can be selfish too. Their kindness stems from their need to be needed; but another way to say that is their kindness stems from their need to make you _dependent_. Same concept as before, I am just saying it a different way.

I think that Pisces is vindictive too--I think vindictiveness can be a trait of the element water; but they try to hurt you in an indirect way such that you won't directly blame them. I think the Pisces archetype, in a War would be like the Secret Assasin or double agent. The Scorpio Archetype would be the tactition or General who commands strategy. The Cancer Archetype would be the soldier on the front line--too in love with conflict (remember it is a cardinal sign) to really introspect or slow down. Cancer wants fast action and wants to think on its feet; it doesn't want to introspect and wait to the degree that Scorpio does; it also doesn't want to work in a behind-the-scenes, indirect and secretive manner to the degree that Pisces does. (Sure, Cancer is secretive; but Pisces likes to work through manipulating others to carry out their aims. As Pisces is a "Universal" sign, it might try to control many members in its group or ogranization. Cancer being a "self" sign doesn't think of manipulation on such a massive level; Cancer may try to manipulate people it talks to directly but it won't bother with such complex schemes to make people work against each other and secretively gain control like Pisces.)

All signs are similar due to having the same element; but their qualities and rulership planets have something to do with it.

Remember that I am only talking about the archetypical Cancer. Not all Cancers act this way. I am also just pointing out the bad side of this sign because usually astrology texts point out the good things and overlook the bad. I am just trying to show the other side of the coin.

Famous Cancers: OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson, etc.

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"In spite of efforts to keep the world at bay through a myriad of defensive maneuvers, Cancers are easily wounded. While gemini will throw off a criticism and leo thinks any critique thrown his or her way is off base since she's perfect, cancer will internalize any and all negative comments until a boiling point is reached. Boil a crab and you've got dinner at a fancy restaurant; boil a Cancer and you've just created a powder keg that could blow up today, tomorrow, or twenty years from now. Cancer is embarrassed by his or her need for love and affection but if you screw the fourth sign in the zodiac you'll encounter another key tenet the sign of the crab is known for: revenge. This is a trait shared in common with Scorpio, but while scorpions are ruled by passion, Cancers are driven by a strong sense of oneupsmanship. If you tangle with a Cancer get ready for almost anything to happen. Since this sign isn't as blinded by emotion as Scorpio, a Cancer can ultimately end up a far more lethal enemy, so whatever you do, don't mess with the crab."

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So plz post ur opinions abt water signs and their relation to the vindictiveness-trait...IMO, all three water signs are the most dangerous signs of them all, when it comes to revenge...

posted March 09, 2005 03:36 PM              

We don't just get hurt - we digest hurt.
We mull and ruminate it.
We wallow in the exquisite horror of it.

Once it's nicely encapsulated within us, we allow it to grow into whatever pain we wish to inflict on the original aggressor - the worst part of it being that much of the time we don't even know that we're doing this. The revenge that we didn't know we were nursing simply springs forth, unexpected and uncalled for.

We don't analyze our emotions; we don't act on them or sit on them and bury them. We feel them, and do our damndest to make sure that you feel them, too.

posted March 09, 2005 05:39 PM              

If someone hurts me, I just cut them out of my life - they no longer exist. I don’t waste my time hating someone…I just let go, and forget them. I’ll remain polite, but at the same time completely unemotional towards them.

However, that’s just me. I can’t speak for all water signs - especially Cancer and Scorpio since I’m not one

I think that, when you’re one of the most emotionally venerable signs, you have no choice but to protect yourself. If someone hurts you, the pain is amplified. On the plus side, same thing goes with joy - or at least with me anyway

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A Pisces - Holding hands, kissing, touching, etc, The next day - "What the hell happen? oops sorry I didn't mean it. I'm not like that or Am I?"

A Cancer - Talks about childhood, I never got much love, not this, not that cry cry, then starts arguing, I hate you - Next day, I love you, Next day - I hate you, Next day - I love you, Next day - I hate you, Next day - I love You...anyway you get the point.

A Scorpio - "You're so beautiful, I am intrigued by you, I really really really like you (my name)" Kiss Kiss, touch touch, hold hold etc. And then he tells u about his past lover, how he doesn't wanna get hurt like that ever again blah blah, Next day - "Look I don't know what I want, I want you but don't want to get hurt, Want You, BUT NO HURT...Me CONFUSED."

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posted March 09, 2005 07:43 PM              

Everyday it's I hate you, I love you, yep.
But Cancers are great friends, once you are there, if you go away and are not around physically I think water signs have a hard time caring.

I wouldn't mess with a Crab either, Scorpios will self destruct or go away, but a Cancer will never give up, I never noticed how competitive they are, but it's true, they are!
And it's the childhood, you must talk about their family and childhood all the time. Even with Venus in Cancer. I can't mess with Crab men anymore, they own me too easily.
The only weapon is to be needy yourself, and ask for help, I open up and become vulnerable and if a Cancer can't take it, then I am done.

Scorpios never ask for help, the best therapy for a Scorpio is to walk around asking strangers for help, Maybe all water signs are like this.

All the men I am ever serious about have Scorpio as their ruler, and they are CONFUSED, because every woman starting with mother hated them and made them feel physically ugly and worthless.

Plus they always have a healthy dose of Cancer. The best I can do is love a person's inner self, when water signs start to feel unloved inside, then the outside suffers. No amount of physical love can replace the emotional. Commitment is key.

posted March 09, 2005 11:08 PM              

It takes alot to get me to the point of being vindictive, not sure that I actually have.

Though to be honest when someone has intentionally used me, and hurt me by it, I can come up with some of the most terrible thoughts, and plans for getting even.
Thankfully, whatever it is in me that lets me think these things is over ridden by a higher program.
And I'm comforted in 'knowing' eventually, somehow, someway, they'll get theirs and it'll be worse than anything I can come up with!
mawwwwhaaaahaaaaa!

Now, my brother, Cancer/Leo.
He'll do the 'inside my shell' routine.
It's best for all involved to let him be, cause if not, the whole hillside is in an uproar, till he settles down.
(Happens rarely though)

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"A 'vindictive person' will look for occasions for resentment"

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posted March 10, 2005 01:09 PM              

I (Virgo) just talked to a good friend of mine mast night (Cancer) and he did some real vindicative stuff to his ex when he found out he was cheated on ... Just a nice set-up cause his feelings were bruised ...

Scorpios can be relentless and hold a grudge for a loooooong time (they hate real good)... Pisces are vindictive but not as deep or thought-provoking .. They don't have the same intensity as Cancers or Scorpios and are fleeting in emotion ... Pisces will let it go at a point where Cancers and Scorpios will remember how you crossed them till their death bed ... Virgos are same way

posted March 10, 2005 01:29 PM              

And as far as harboring grudges. I think everyone under every sign remembers a past hurt or if they were treated badly, depending on the degree of pain it caused. It's next to impossible to forget some painful memories and everyone is left with psychic scars, regardless of their sign.

posted March 11, 2005 08:42 PM              

Angela

posted March 12, 2005 05:17 PM              

Scorpios have hidden inferiority complexes.

Pisces have open identity crises.

Now which do you think is the most dangerous?

Who would be the one you wouldn't see coming? In fact, you may not even know they had their revenge until it reveals itself.

This is a little tongue-in-cheek though. Just a little.