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scorpbaby
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posted March 13, 2005 12:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wondering if anyone can help me with this...

In my natal chart I have a heavy duty T-square. Involving Sun, Pluto, Saturn, Mercury opposite the Moon Taurus then Square Jupiter Aquarius...

The missing leg or balance to all this is LEO. It's the missing fixed sign.

Now if I'm involved with someone with a Moon in Leo, would it be a blessing or a curse? (and by curse I mean a tumultuous karmic romance)

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scorpbaby
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posted March 14, 2005 02:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no takers?

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posted March 14, 2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it involves alot of Karma, lessons and there is quite a bond that is forged. You have to look at the planets and what they represent. Are they going to be harsh on that Leo moon person? Would it be easier if it was a Saturn or Pluto in Leo completing the square?

I have Mercury in Capricorn, which happens to complete my fiance's T-square (his T involves, Pluto- Jupiter - Saturn / Venus in Cancer).

To complicate matters that Mercury in Cap of mine is a part of my T-square (Aries moon, Uranus in Libra).

His Saturn / Venus in Cancer completes my T-square (and falls into my 10th house, while my Merc in Cap falls into his 8th house).

We also have another added Vibration- my chart ruler is Mercury...his is Venus...

Tons of Karmic energy, but whether it is for good or bad will play out over time. So far it has been equal.

Both of our T-square also also activated aggrivated by my moon conjuncting his Jupiter and his Pluto conjuncting my Uranus.


Time will tell...but they say we seek out someone that can complete that T-square.

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scorpbaby
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posted March 14, 2005 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thankyou Pidau
Yea I really feel the karmic vibration with this person. Like you said, whether good or bad. It seems to have been neutral so far, yet there are challenging moments. As for his moon being the planet completing the Tsquare I think he feels some emotional sympathy or responsibility for me in many ways. He was the one that initiated the relationship, and very strongly.

From taking what you've written into consideration, it seems his moon has acted as a bridge to help me get over some emotional issues that I have in relationships. It might take a dose of patience but I'm sure it's a good thing.

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astro junkie
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posted March 16, 2005 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpbaby -

I have a T-Square as well, and have learned a lot about it. My Empty Space is in Aries in the 12th House. What House is your Leo landing in?

The T-Square is like a 3-legged table. The pressure builds up, and then you sort of very abruptly, fall into your Empty Space. Since you are a Scorpio, you are likely "all or nothing". Since that Leo is the 4th leg, you must be careful not to depend on them to come through for you TOO MUCH, know what I mean? But it sounds like it's working out.

Also, it might work too if the person has a Moon, Mars or Venus in Leo.

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chrissymgreen
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posted March 24, 2005 03:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpbaby,

you are right on. i have a t-square involving a pisces sun (6th), sag moon (3rd), and virgo pluto (12th). the missing leg for me is the 9th house, and gem is on the cusp. i am very attracted to that energy (gemini energy, particularly if it involves a major body that falls in my 9th).

if you have a t-square, and someone comes along and “fills the missing leg” you get action. you get strong feelings, strong reactions. you can feel it in the body. love it or hate it, it’s impossible to ignore. it is like they have a missing piece of your puzzle, and in a way, they do. it is not always easy, because they activate a sensitive point that can awaken hard challenges, yet there is something essentially “necessary” about it. it feels like fate, like it is meant to be.


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scorpbaby
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posted March 24, 2005 03:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Aj- The missing leg Leo is in the 11th house, and also it's his Moon that's in Leo. I know that the 11th house is of friendship.

I also fill a missing leg in his Tqsuare. He's missing an Aqua planet which I provide with Jupiter in Aqua, also that's part of my Square.. gets confusing...

All I know is that it does seem like quite a passionate attraction w/ all these fixed planets

Hi Chrissy~Yes it is very fated feeling, and that's usually one of the things I look for in a significant other...one that I keep bumping into!

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posted March 26, 2005 10:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK -

And what House is his Leo Moon in HIS Natal Chart ...

As for if I'm attracted to Aries because of the Empty Space in my T-Square, when it comes to Aries Sun's, I'm only interested in being friends, ultimately. So far, my Empty Space becomes more activated when someone has an Aries Moon, Mars or Venus.

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posted March 26, 2005 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A.J. ~
What about a chart that has TWO Grand Crosses, where there IS no empty leg? Do you have any reading links for this configuration? The Crosses are both in Cardinal signs, and this guy has SIX planets in Cardinal signs, but the houses involved in the Crosses are both Angular and Cadent (1,3,7,9)....

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posted April 05, 2005 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh -

I'm not too keen the Grand Crosses, and are you speaking of two Charts, each with T-Square's, that when combined in Synastry, turns the T-Square's into Grand Crosses?

Anyways, here is something I found, maybe will help :::

"SYNASTRY - AN ASTROLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF RELATIONSHIPS

By Jacquie Smith
The word synastry comes from the Greek prefix "syn" - bringing together and "astron" - a star. It is the comparison of two or more horoscopes to determine compatibility. Any relationship can be analyzed synastrically (business partners, parent-child, teacher-student, etc.), but here remarks will be specific to love/marriage relationships. (Not surprising, since at this moment, Mercury and Venus are conjunct in Libra in my 5th house, trine my ascendant and natal Mercury in the 8th.)

The prime significators of the wife in a man's chart are Venus and the Moon. In a woman's chart, the prime significators of the husband are the Sun and Mars. The sign and house placement of these planets in the nativity, as well as placements of and aspects to the rulers of the 5th and 7th houses, indicate the type of mate the native is likely to attract or be attracted to. Consequently, cross aspects (aspects between charts) to these planets are frequently seen in love relationships. Psychologists and psychiatrists since Freud have observed that people often choose mates who are very similar to their parent of the opposite sex. This is easily understood considering that the Sun and Moon are also prime significators of the father and mother. The parent/child relationship may be played out repeatedly in later adult relationships until the individual eventually resolves his/her family-of-origin issues. Astrological counseling can be valuable in this regard. With the help of the parents' and siblings' natal charts, client and astrologer can examine the early family dynamics and possibly discover outmoded behavior patterns that have hindered the individual's evolution.

The human need for relationship on an emotional and spiritual level is in part a search for wholeness. We seek from others that which we feel we lack. The 7th house shows areas where we may deny our own personal characteristics and project them onto others, particularly our mates. The danger in this is that we may eventually resent the person for the very same reasons we chose him/her in the first place! Obviously, until we acknowledge and "own" all that we are, it is difficult to establish harmony in relationships with others. Sometimes this feeling of "lack" has a genuine astrological basis. People with no planets in water signs, for instance, may be attracted to people with many water planets. (Of course, no chart is ever truly devoid of any element. A chart with no planets in water signs will undoubtedly have planets in "water houses".) I have been fortunate in my practice to have had the opportunity to work with "astrological twins". Their charts have no planets in earth signs and a cardinal t-square involving 6 planets. One of them is married to a woman with Moon/Jupiter/Ascendant in Capricorn; the other was involved with a woman with Sun/Jupiter/Venus in Capricorn. Their strong t-squares attracted the missing element of a grand cross. Talk about wholeness!

I've also seen instances where a person with a very strong opposition (two or more planets conjunct, in opposition to another conjunction) falls in love with a person who has a major planet or planets t-squaring that opposition. Or a person with a strong square attracts someone with planets in opposition and square that configuration, again creating a t-square by cross-aspect. A multiple planet trine may attract the third element to complete a grand trine; however, despite popular "sun sign" books which advise, "If you are a Leo, your most compatible signs are Aries and Sagittarius", I've noticed sun trines occurring more often in platonic friendships than in love/marriage relationships. A certain amount of friction is desirable (indeed, necessary on the physical level!) in sexual relationships. In my observation, the most powerful cross-aspects in love relationships are the man's Moon or Venus conjunct or oppose the woman's Sun, Mars, ascendant or ruler of the ascendant; and correspondingly, the woman's Sun or Mars oppose or conjunct the man's Moon, Venus, ascendant or ruler of the ascendant.

There are apt to be many cross-aspects in the charts of lovers or marriage partners. Bear in mind that the "hard" aspects (squares and oppositions) do not always forebode great difficulties, nor are the "soft" aspects (sextiles and trines) always favorable. For instance, if a man's Saturn t-squares his partner's Moon/Uranus opposition, he may provide a grounding, stabilizing factor to her emotional fluctuations; whereas, a man's Jupiter trine his wife's Venus may cause him to be overindulgent with her, lavishing her with expensive gifts and spending far beyond his means. Of course, these examples will not necessarily manifest thusly - ALL factors between charts need to be taken into consideration.

Synastrically, planets in mutual reception (each planet in the sign of the other's ruler) have a certain sympatico. Therefore, one partner's Saturn in Aries and the other's Mars in Capricorn, even though they may be square by orb, could work well together - the mutual receptivity mitigates the tension of the square. An affinity also exists between planets in antiscion degree (i.e. at the solstice point - equidistant from the Capricorn/Cancer axis). While an Aries Sun and a Virgo Moon may not be thought of as particularly compatible, if the Sun is at 27 degrees Aries and the Moon at 3 degrees Virgo there is a definite link. Midpoints become important in cross-chart analysis; for if a planet in one chart conjuncts the midpoint of two planets in another chart, those two planets become "aspected" WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE RELATIONSHIP, even though no aspect exists between them in the individual chart.

When the planets of one nativity are placed in the appropriate houses of the partner's chart, and vice versa, we get a more detailed picture of the areas of life where these energies will have their greatest impact; once again the 5th and 7th houses are critical, as well as the 4th, if the partners live together. Be aware that a planet in any sign will have a strong character resemblance to a planet in that sign's natural house. Thus, Mars in Aquarius in one partner's chart will function similarly to an 11th house Mars in the mate's chart, regardless of its sign placement.

Perhaps the most important point to remember in synastric analysis is that personal growth and evolution are the reason we're all here in this schoolroom called planet Earth. Most of our lessons are learned in the context of our dealings with others. The strength and longevity of any given relationship depends to a large extent on the level of maturity and degree of personal commitment of the individuals involved.

Bio: Jacquie Smith is a writer and astrologer specializing in synastric relationship counseling. She is currently writing a book entitled "The Neptune Factor: The Astrology of Addiction and Recovery."

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posted April 05, 2005 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, A.J., for copying in great info as always (Jacquie Smith).
No, this was not synastry, it's a natal chart, and I'm not sure if I have this right but it LOOKS like two Grand Crosses in this one guy's chart....he has a real splash configuration!
Cross #1 - Neptune 26 Libra square Moon 22 Cap square Mercury 16 Aries square Jupiter 21 Cancer.
Cross #2 - Neptune 26 Libra square Moon 22 Cap square Sun 24 Aries square Uranus 23 Cancer.
Both Crosses (or one cross with conjunctions?) are obviously in Cardinal signs, but Neptune, Mercury and the Sun are in Cadent houses, whereas the rest are in Angular houses so we have an interesting modality conflict.
There's also a kite in Water/Earth with TWO tails: Moon 22 Cap at the top, Saturn 19 Scorpio and Venus 18 Pisces as the crosspiece and Jupiter 21 Cancer and/or Uranus 23 Cancer at the tail.
Thanks for your thoughts and perceptions A.J.!

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posted April 06, 2005 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome. Hope there are others who can chime in for you as well ...

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posted May 17, 2016 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poupoupidou     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scorpbaby:
Wondering if anyone can help me with this...
In my natal chart I have a heavy duty T-square.
The missing leg or balance to all this is LEO.
Now if I'm involved with someone with a Moon in Leo, would it be a blessing or a curse?

At the beginning, meeting the missing leg of your t-square usually liberates a lot of concealed and repressed energy. Whether it's a good thing or bad things depends on your capacity to handle it and to survive it. There might a lot to process, but once the backlog is exhausted, it often becomes a strong, vivid and reliable relationship. It's a matter of surviving the initial rollercoaster. If you have trines with your partner, it will help a lot as they excel at dissipating excessive energy.

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posted May 18, 2016 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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