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cappy
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posted March 29, 2005 11:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Has anyone here ever found themselves in the position of having to accept pure friendship from the object of their affection? I write "pure" but my wishes/thoughts/emotions are anything but pure about this relationship. Though I've working on making them so...

But I like this guy enough as a person to try one more time: I've wasted the past couple of months dreaming/hoping for something more. But it's destroying me emotionally. He's been so incredibly patient and understanding in all of this (the bigger person, sadly) that I have to make it up to him by backing off. But I'm afraid of how to deal with the tiny details of staying in touch but detached and "friendly"

Insights welcome,
from a capricorn-scorpio with moon in virgo.

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posted March 29, 2005 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy,

It *is* tough, especially when your heart is involved. At first, it may be necessary for you to limit contact for your own well-being and peace of mind.

I say this, because it is really hard for me to detach, especially when someone has my heart, especially an Aqua male...I speak from experience...

Aquas have a tough time with heavy emotional-ness. I'm not saying they can't at all, but approach most everything from a rational, cerebral standpoint.

That said and if you're still up for it...

Be friendly - keep up contact with a handwritten note (snail mail) or email. It is the thoughtfulness that will touch both the male and female. Aquas love to stay in contact with their friends, and your Aqua male-friend is exhibiting the typical patience and willingness to stay in contact even though he knows how you feel. Keep the subject light, but interesting. Aquas love a well-informed person, as they tend to be this way themselves, interested in everyone and just about every subject. An Aqua will always be interested in how you are doing and what is going on with you. Be a friend and show a genuine interest in return in his interests, unexpectedly ask him how he is from time to time. I can't emphasize the friendship side of things here enough, as much as it is hurting you - friendship is most important above all to the Aqua native.

Don't be surprised, though by their sudden interest and just as sudden detachment or 'disappearance'...this is typical of an Aqua person. It doesn't mean they don't care, because they do, but a light, airy approach is the way this native is most of the time. The more you are able to detach, the easier it will be all around for you in the long run with him and any other guy you're interested in, not just Aquas.

Oh, and they notice everything.
(ask me how I know)

I hope in time you find someone who fills your heart's desire so you won't be feeling this way...

Someone will come along and offer more feedback in this - I'm sure you've read other threads about this enigmatic native!

~ Laura

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Sweet Blue Moon
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posted March 29, 2005 04:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The man I love is a cappy with aquarius rising and moon and he is such an aqua. Except he is very affectionate and cuddly at least.


I have to give him his space. Do not pressure them emotionally, don't call them let them call you.


I can be very clingy and he'd sometimes back away. But then I had to start ignoring him not because I wanted to but because I had too.


Then he started calling me like hell we'd talk for 4 hours each night. The last 2 days I have spent with him.


It sucks because that is how they are unless they can feel secure enough to at least show some more feelings but they will usually be emotionally detached. Not in a bad way but that's just how they work.


I know it sucks. They will be like this with friends and sometimes even there family.

But if you are interested in more than a friend then make sure you let them know even if it is only once.


Then it is up to them to decide. Some of them take it......real......real slow.


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posted March 29, 2005 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua female here.

Much more can develop from a platonic friendship for us Aquas. I often say we dont see ppl in gender, we see them as ppl first -and then much later, we see them as a person we are physically attracted to.

Keep up the friendship. Dont be heavy. Dont be too emotional and above all be interesting...this is how to win your Aquas heart.(did I mention patience also?)

Good luck!

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posted March 29, 2005 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi there, i know exactly what your talking about. partly because i've been through it once, and partley because i've done it to other people. i'm a virgo with an aqua ascendant, and i love most people in a platonic way. being very emotional does rather turn me off. i love to have a very buddyish relationship with people, and sometimes i do detach myself from them for a break, not at all because i don't care. when i decide i have deeper feelings for sombody they are usually my friends first.

the time i went through it, the guy was a libra male with an a aqua ascendant. i've known him for three years, but sometime last year i realized how interesting & smart he was, and besides that we had tons in common. but he has feelings for this aqua girl whose stringing him aroung majorly, so i had to back off. now i think i love him even more, real platonic love. i really don't feel anything any deeper now, and i don't want to be more than friends.

i hope you can catch this guy if he's the one for you, but if not, i hope you still have a friendship with him when it's over, that can be the deepest kind of love.

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted March 29, 2005 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy~ I, too, had a similar situation with an aqua male.

I know it sucks...my heart goes out to you.

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There is not enough darkness in the world to extinguish the light of one small candle. ~Spanish proverb

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cappy
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posted March 29, 2005 06:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all,

I'll keep coming back to this thread and your suggestions when it gets rough. He knows I like him and has remained around as a friend but I'm heavy emotionally so it's not easy...
But I'm trying to save myself by not hoping anything out of this friendship except the bitter-sweet joy of knowing someone special...

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zoso
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posted March 30, 2005 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy--I'm totally feelin you about this.

I wish I had never fallen for such an air-guy. I know how it is to be emotional and it is very hard to detach. Maybe its not even worth it. I dunno, we'll see how it turns out to know if it was worth it.

I have to constantly try to find something "interesting" that is also "light" to write about to this Aqua guy, but unfortunately for me--I think heavy topics are way more interesting and I'd rather discuss them instead. I think passionately romantic gestures are a turn-on, so why am I trying to like distracted and un-emotional topics just to get this guy to like me? Because, honestly, the second that happens, I'll just want to get heavy and deep with him. What gives>>>>?

Total confusion right there... I hope you feel better about all this Cappy

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lovely*
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posted March 30, 2005 02:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy,

do you know your man's astrology?

~moon, venus and mars?

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Secret Garden
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posted March 30, 2005 02:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really hate to say this,

I tend to attract Aqua males for some reason, both Aqua suns and moons all the time, mostly Aqua suns, but I dont like them because they are not passionate/intense/emotional enough for me. I usually find that being driven, talkative, pretty which helps ALOT, and most of all, downright mean to them, can turn them on.

What do I mean by being mean?

Most of the Aqua men I know I find them to be totally unambitious and unworthy of a second thought by myself, I let them know that they have to straighten up before any woman will commit with them, they are too flakey and untraditional etc. I dont know why I Say this, Im not usually a mean person at all but somehow Aquas agitate me they bring out the mean side in me Im constantly putting down the Aqua men I know. And that makes them even more drawn to me. Theres this one friend I have, a very nice Aqua guy but a bit lazy and flakey, and hes SOOOO thin because he wants to be a model. I am always putting him down, not making fun, but seriously putting him down because I tell him NOT to do something so articial and shallow when he has potential to do so much better, not to starve himself when he looks better with some meat on him, to concentrate on school etc. always making fun of his ambitions. Every time he wants to confide something or ask an opinion about something, he always comes to me first, its not that I am purposely mean to him, but I will not sugarcoat anything in fact I will tell the truth as cruelly as possible.

I wont go around being cruel for nothing but will say some cruel things when I feel angry with him or feel that he needs to hear them.

For some reason this makes him more attached to me and dependent. Ive noticed that in two other Aquas I know too, one at work and another being my cousin.

It really helps if they find you attractive, they will be able to overlook all your faults. I have seen that they are really drawn to Leo/Libra risings and Gemini and Cancer suns, maybe if you dress like one of them, or carry yourself like one of them, you will be able to hold his attention in a different way. There is definitely a line between friends and potential lovers in the Aqua boys mind, the girl who doesnt look good at first sight will never be the one,

Love
SG

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Battle of Evermore
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posted March 30, 2005 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omigod!! Secret Garden you are so right!!! Now thinking on it they do like people who are mean to them... how sick... Why do you think?? It's insane!!

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cappy
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posted March 30, 2005 07:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

So many people with bad experiences with Aqua! But, I'm not going to blame his sun sign for once...he's been a gentleman and I've found out that I act very scorpio-like romantically and handled everything wrong...to "intensely!" Add to tht my complete ignorance when it comes to men and relationships in general...

But forget all of this, if this helps, his sun is aqua, moon in pisces (and he's very sensitive and dreamy in the eyes), venus in aries, and mars in aqua. Don't know ascendant.
At this point, I'm just trying real hard to accept that there is no hope for me!!!! Hope and longing is a killer and I just can't afford them because they'll come through my communications with him...poisoning them and further drawing him away and making him defensive even though he's been very patient so far...I don't want to wear it thin.

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suzyque
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posted March 30, 2005 08:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am aquarius asc.That mean thing is so true, now that i think of it when someone is harsh with me and then they distance themselves it makes me really curious and all of a sudden i want to be around them.But then once i am around them again for awhile i get bored and lose interest. If they stay around but just out of reach i will stay interested forever. You really need to examine what it is you truly want because when you are dealing with someone with an aquarius influence the chances are you will be kept at arms length indefinetly. Just being honest.

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sthenri
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posted March 30, 2005 10:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the object of your affection returns love than there is only a problem with your perception, if he doesn't want to then ask yourself if he's giving you love you can't see or feel? If so then you are not "like" him enough to relate to him, and he can't really relate outside himself well. He may be too self centered or absorbed right now, or one of you may be going through too much.

Are his views on love the same? Does he view monogamy the same as you for example? If his views on love are yours, and you think he is only being agreeable than he's a friend.

Aquas will say anything to make you happy because they are sweet,

I know it's frustrating to get into an Aquas head because you want to explore him to explore your feeings and move on. But he knows that and will resist attempts to understand him. I think you have already explored your feelings, platonically, and that's good enough to know its not going to work. He feels bad about it, but you have hit a wall where now you have to see him for who he is, and decide if that's good for you or not.

Natasha
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posted March 30, 2005 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua Moon/Asc here. I know all about how this Aqua thing works from both ends. I do all that detaching stuff. Not good with heavy emotional stuff unless I am feeling it too. Thats my Pisces sun. To catch me is hard and Aqua ppl are like that too. Its hard to pin them down. I kind of can balance my stuff though. Pisces we can be very emotional and Aqua moon will withdraw and even things out somewhat.


Secret Garden: You are so right about the Aqua men. Be mean to them and they tend to love you. I just recently got out of a relationship with an Aqua, I adored him and I began to figure things out when I would detatch and get distance he would pull more towards me and when I would do things sloppy as far as make him think that I an interested in other men he would pull closer towards me. But when that Pisces side would come out and I would get emotional and pull on him he would detatch. Yes being attractive does help alot, He was so attracted to me and vise versa we had this heated chemistry. He would tell me you are such a cutie pie. I still have deep feelings for him and we went through a ruff time when things ended, but it was for the best I guess. So be his friend if possible and don't hurt his feelings cause they are sensetive ppl they just know how to keep it in. Its hard to understand them but I have deep deep intuiton so that kind of made it easy for me to figure out. We had a Very DEEP mental connection so that made it easier too. Hope it works out for you, they are cool ppl to hang out with and learn from rather platonic or romantic. Oh I just wanted to tell Secret Garden that when I first met the Aqua I was involved with we instantly melted into each other him more into me then me into him. We did bc good friends but romance was on his mind first...

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sthenri
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posted March 30, 2005 12:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this relationship is already over, am I wrong? It doesn't sound like there is any point in trying to draw his attention because if it's not there now, chances are it won't be there with a few attractive clothes. I would date other people as quickly as possible and don't mention that to him, don't wrap your identity around him any further.

I am surprised that a Pisces Moon/Venus in Aries is so cold to you, he could be committed elsewhere and doesn't want to say, or it could be a work related committment. You just don't know, but if he doesn't want to tell you, he won't, and chances are there is a good reason.

Good Luck with your next Venus in Aries!

Natasha

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cappy
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posted March 30, 2005 03:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
St Henri it's not like the relationship is over...there was never one to begin with, at least not a romantic one. But you're right...somehow this week I've reached the point of acceptance and emotional distance. which explains the platonic friendship post. So my question was (not evident I guess) how do you cope and make it a reality for I want to build this friendship and it will come down to me at this point...scorpio/capricorn masochism?
Thing is, I'd made the first move on him with the resolve of accepting his answer whatever it may be. We're a small college community and something had happened with his previous girlfriend who tried to sabotage his character and he said he didn't want to be involved with anyone within our community. He's not seeing anyone in our community that I know. Though, I doubt that he is uninvolved elsewhere...like out of town. But, regarding him and I, it's a matter of interest in the end...it was there at one point and then he backed off...
Regarding receiving love and all...it's so tricky because I'm loved by countless of friends and family members in their own ways, like everyone. We take this kind of love for granted. And that's what this guy is offering me in the end, expressed through his actions of offering understanding and a patient ear when I need one and supporting me in my work, which I'm deeply involved in. We connect really well intellectually and emotionally, a friend even told me a while ago that there seemed to be something terrific between us. So there's no doubt in my mind where he stands as a very good friend...
But romantic love is tht special one...which explains the frustration we all feel when we're not sure of it or trying to pin point it exactely. I'm sure this guy "loves" me as a friend...and frankly I could be down with that...but there's of course a fine line between principles and reality. And the reality is that I would like to have so much more than that...not daily declaration of love but a chance to intrude into his private/intimate space through spending time together which he has been consistently denying me because he knows what it would mean to me. I'm posting all of this not becasue I'm wondering whether he likes me or likes me not...I'm beyond that now. I'm posting because it's cathartic...lol. But also because I've reached the conclusion to accept his friendship after all and do so with no ulterior motives in mind. I had ulterior motives until last saturday and it's not worth it and not fun to be in that position....

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posted March 30, 2005 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Cappy, I'm tellin you--I FEEL you on this!!

Here I am, 3years later still trying to be a good friend when I just burn inside for him! It's hard, but hopefully you have some Capricorn self control. I suck when it comes to self control, or maybe its just like how my friend told me "unrequited love is a ***** "

I keep thinking, if he waasn't so sexy and nice I could move on, but then I think of his perfect body and his deep eyes, and all that...>>>>drives me nuts.

I suggest to find a creative outlet for these frustrations and realizations. My painting and writing has a constant source of emotion now and it always changes as I go through hurt, sadness, spirituality, love, friendship, passion, etc.

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sthenri
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posted March 30, 2005 03:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is he really that good looking? What is it about him that makes him such a catch? You both know you need boundaries-he needs to be with someone outside his community and you seem to accept that-that's a sign he needs boundaries around his work, and personal life, and he expects you to respect that-what you are having an issue with is your attraction to him otherwise-

So what is it that attracts you? Is he purposely leading you on, physically? If so then it's his problem not yours, and you need to set him straight so he keeps to himself. It's clear he needs that if he has said he needs boundaries.

Venus in Aries ALWAYS is very sexy and has a lot of trouble with separating personal and work life, they like to keep romantic relationships on the back burner away from public life, and are you interested in a private romance, or a public one? If you two were in love and none of his friends or family knew about it, would you nag him to be more open? Do you talk to him as a friend about his past loves and yours? Why would he want that? To a Venus in Aries, there is love and there is friendship, they are not the same.

By being his friend you are not helping yourself, only by distancing yourself and dating others will you earn his respect.

I should know, I am as Venus in Aries as it gets, with Venus trine Mars, and Cancer Moon, I say the same thing, I need to date outside my community to have boundaries, otherwise I feel overwhelmed with duties and obligations towards my loved one, and that makes me feel unromantic, and then I can't be romantic, and then my loved one gets bored with me, and I have to leave my community. I wouldn't mess where I live, or eat, in other words.

Venus in Aries with a water moon has a lot of trouble being assertive if you are trying to be attractive, so stop doing that. Just be yourself, and turn on the heat for others, but not in front of him or he will feel hurt. In the end, Venus in Aries, likes someone who feels safe, so if you are busy elsewhere but open to being friends, he will feel safe, he will not make the first move, because he has probably done that before, and been rebuffed every so slightly..we are very sensitive to rejection, and so avoid it whenever possible.

There is nothing wrong with dating others, I don't see why you have to get involved physically or emotionally, and it will boost your self esteem.

Ulterior motives are the worst!

Natasha


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cappy
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posted March 30, 2005 06:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

is he that cute? What is it about him that makes him such a catch st Henri? I could give a whole list as we all do when we want to justify our suffering when we're in love...but I'm not going to try. But generally, love is not rational...it's all in the fuzzy land and all...for there is no reason taht I should think about someone so much...I've always been responsible for my own happiness and want to go back to that.

However, not contacting him until I've moved on is the best decision right now. I've been doing that for the past seven weeks. I hope to go on till it's all over inside of me. Just reached that decisions through all of your post right now! So thanks all! for even though I mean it that I like his friendship and he's offering his, I'm the one suffering in this drama and I don't want this to last more than it has lasted...

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sthenri
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posted March 30, 2005 06:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheers to that!

I cant' stand it when my own love life turns into a soap opera, waiting...so I can imagine it sucks for you to go through this.

You deserve better, you deserve someone who wants the best,

Natasha

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posted March 30, 2005 07:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Natasha Im also Venus in Aries and water moon,
but of course the Air sun here, so I think I can speak safely when I say the Aqua sun , water moon and venus in Aries is going to at least somewhat resemble my own approach to love which is,

1. Very difficult to fall IN love with someone,
2. Very easy to be infatuated with someone because of their appearance, after all appearance is the first impression! Never underestimate appearance with an air sign, also with a Venus in Aries, any astro book will tell u appearance is the first thing that will turn us on, it is not the thing that will be most important, but in the first meeting, YES YES YES, it will, it is not superficiality, but seeing if we can be attracted to someone at first will depend on appearance,
3. Once in love, very difficult to fall out of it,
4. Very loyal to the one I fall for,
5. Once I fall for him, I will find him attractive, regardless of how I felt about him at first!

So there is hope , if he doesnt find you attractive at first sight, because you have to get to his water moon there, and believe me water moons are good people to have around they are very caring,

Not to undermine or contradict your words of wisdom Natasha, but to simply add to them,

Love
SG

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posted March 30, 2005 07:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy~

I think it's a good decision you've made to distance yourself from your aqua friend right now. I know how it can be too upsetting to keep up the "platonic buddy" vibe when inside your heart is wanting more. Sometimes it's just better to extricate yourself from that kind of situation, at least until you start feeling a little better about it. So hopefully some distance will help.

good luck and best wishes

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cappy
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posted March 30, 2005 08:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks you All

I really appreciate each and every thought. Natasha for the distance and you SecretGarden on the hope...But hope is so elusive and part of my distance approach now is to tell myself that there is no hope ...that way I'll stop hurting whenever it doesn't materialize...
Did he find me attractive at first? I dress nice and carry myself well and men definitely find me attractive though I'm rather average in looks...it's more my presence and projected confidence. and if I weren't so picky I'd be on a couple of dates every weekends. I don't mind not dating; the distraction would be good but it's too much headache. Though, now I'm seriously looking for a serious relationship, and I'm being set up with three hotties this weekend by my friends. Hope that goes well...Fresh face is in demand.
Anyway, back to attractiveness...when we first met, he did make a move and I'd backed up because ...I was insecure and shy inside, couldn't even flirt with him at a social gathering when he'd gone out of his way to sit next to me and give me all of his attention...I regret my paralyzed action (move away and talk to a total stranger!!! What ws I thinking?????)then so much that I reversed my attitude months later by letting him know how I felt because I was trying to be more assertive in my love life and felt too strongly about him to care about protecting myself emotionally...By then, a lot had happened to make him forget his initial attraction to me, like that girl he was dating but I knew they had broken up.
How to deal with hope and not let it influence my actions and cause me pain? no contact. If he contacts me (there's chances for that) I'll come here to get your suggestions on how to proceed but won't take anything for granted like I did a couple of months ago when he'd suggested we met for coffee and I thought he'd changed his mind about not dating in his community thing...he then didn't follow up and I've been inventing excuses for him - and hanging on - since then because the scandal with his ex is actually quite bad, my feelings aside.
Gosh! It's so good to speak (or write) on this board. You guys are great!!!!

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cappy by no means do i advocate that u keep waiting, hoping, wasting ur time that could be much better spent looking into hotties that are lined up for u this weekend! best of luck, im sure it will be a great weekend!

i was just replying to the original post, about aqua men's mentality in general, and what to expect of one. if one of the hotties this weekend happens to be an aqua, or has any similar placements, it would be good to keep in mind some of the stuff you learned from the previous aqua

live and love, loving keeps one young, at heart and at the surface,

Love
SG

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