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Topic: Aquarians: Chase or be chased?
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Secret Garden
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posted April 26, 2005 01:40 AM
 
Hi all
If there are any Aquas out there, or anyone with experience with aquas, I'd appreciate insight, do Aqua men like the challenge of chasing the girl, or is pursuing them ok? It seems this guy is pretty interested in me (aqua sun and moon, i dont know his rising), but he doesnt take initiative to call me or msg me first, when we do end up talking hes pretty interested, would it be a positive or negative move to call him up etc, to kind of remind him that I EXIST (Grrr). Does he just need a little nudging? Ive had bad experience in the past with guys that werent consistent in keepin in touch with me, and I want him to respond etc. On the other hand I dont want him to think Im too interested / desperate and that he has the power to control my emotions.. any help is soooooo appreciated, Love
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posted April 26, 2005 02:00 AM
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posted April 26, 2005 02:27 AM
sana what it sounds like ur saying, is that i act 10 times crazier and more random than i am, i wish i had gemini moon, im sure he would be enthralled then, but i think i can be pretty crazy on my own, i am SO random with him when we talk normally, i will say something like u know i love flan! to hey u want to see me bellydance? in the same 2 minutes. it astounds him...hes like huh? for a second then the next thing is 'lol'. but now that hes seen my overcharged emotional scorp moon im afraid i might have scared him off. hes a bit more seasoned of an Aqua (25 yrs old, i hope hes past the playboy aqua stage lol), so i was hoping he'd stay with me through my crazy times, and boy can we Gems get manic depressed sometimes (!) but yes, being even CRAZIER is something that i can manage. i flirt with him endlessly then tell him that i hate it when he smokes and smokers cant be good kissers. something of that sort will work u think? he gets super irritated when i dont talk to him, i think hes a little too smart for me to call him up then hang up coz he will figure it out but ill try it online, when my voice doesnt give it all away! thanks for ur advice sana  Love
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BlueRoamer
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posted April 26, 2005 02:31 AM
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Eleanore
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posted April 26, 2005 02:49 AM
Hi. I'm married to an Aquarius. When we moved from being friends to something more ... well, he gave me his number in a very casual, friendly way and I had to call him. (loose re-enactment)
Me: "Hi"
Him: "Hey, glad you called."
Me: "So, What are you doing today?"
Him: "Nothing much, you?"
Me: "Nothing much either, just hanging around."
Him: <jokingly> "Why don't you come visit me?"
Me: "Sounds like fun, how do I get there?"
Him: "Oh, really? Great, here's how to get to my house ...." Nevermind that I drove for about 45 mins to get there, lol. That's how we started hanging out alone together (before it was always around friends) and then fell for each other fast. He hates "games" and I was just myself around him. I figured since I really liked him that he should get to know me for me in order for it be something that could last ... I mean, you can't go on pretending to be someone you're not forever. We generally took turns calling each other and setting up dates, etc. but I'll admit that I did have to speak up for time together/attention a little more than I was used to doing. It's not that he didn't want to hang out or whatever it's just that he'd be so engrossed in other things he was doing at the time that he'd forget. I'd call him up if he hadn't called me and he'd always say something like, "Oh, geez, I didn't even look at the time! Sorry, I meant to call you earlier. Can we still go (wherever) tonight?" Loveable but a little absentminded. Just be yourself. They generally like their freedom and as long as you're not suffocating them (air, you know) they don't mind you taking initiative at times. They do like mysteries, though. My hubby told me afterwards that part of what kept him really interested in me is that no matter how well he thought he had me figured out I would always somehow surprise him. I still do. I don't try to be contradictory or secretive or anything, I'm just me with him all the time ... I guess I'm full of the kinds of surprises he likes, lol. ------------------
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Secret Garden
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posted April 26, 2005 03:39 AM
thanks eleanore, that was really helpful...does he tell u what kinds of things he finds surprising or mysterious about u? this guy seems to be interested when i talk to him and when i dont he could not even care if i died in a dark corner somewhere, or so it seems. i hate to seem clingy but i like clearly defined guidelines, i was in a 'friends with benefits' relationship for a while and im so wary of that kind of stuff, of being taken advantage of as a 'friend'. i know thats supposed to be one of the buzz words for aquas...lol so jus a little paranoid here about exactly HOW to tell that he likes me / loves me. why is it so hard for these men to open up emotionally?? and how can i catalyze the process?? BR, i seriously doubt thats happening, the entire post jus cracked me up at the same time making me think (EWWWWWW) major time. haha now it feels smelly in here for some reason.... SG IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 04:48 AM
Well, it's a lot of little things really. Like, my favorite kind of restaurant to go to is Thai and so he figured that I'd always want to go to one ... when he found out that I was willing to go to any restaurant just to check it out he was really surprised. Or with animals for example ... I generally love animals but I have a bit of a fear of reptiles/amphibians. He was really shocked that I would enjoy going for nature walks in areas where I'd be bound to come across those kinds of animals. I guess it's partly being a little adventurous and a little spontaneous when it's not expected of me.
Also, he laughingly calls me his little encyclopedia because I just know alot of strange and/or "useless" facts about alot of different things. I read alot, I can't help it, lol. But it brings a huge smile to his face when someone asks a question out of the blue that makes everyone else look around the room quietly and I'm the one who responds. Or that he can talk to me about absolutely anything and I either have some knowledge about it already or am really interested in hearing more about it to learn. But I've always been that way. Most people find it irritating, lol. I have Aquarius Rising so that helps with us, I suppose.
He doesn't like to open up emotionally, though, at least not in talking about things. I've learned to pay more attention to his body language and his behavior ... if he's sitting still and quiet listening to a song that I've never heard before or have only heard on a few occasions I make sure to listen to the lyrics. Then I can approach him with something like, "Are you feeling down about <whatever>? I was listening to that song and it seemed to be about ..." And then he'll smile because I picked up on his mood and we'll talk about it. Things like that. However, if he's upset or really angry it's better to just let him wander off and vent ... he'll come back to talk when he's calm down as he doesn't like huge emotional displays, etc.
To know if he likes you ... they're a bit obvious when they like you when they're around you. Out of sight, out of mind, though. I used to be a little hurt when he'd say that he hadn't really thought about me too much while he was at work or whatever but I learned that it's nothing personal ... whatever he's doing at the time is what is taking up most,if not all, of his attention. The fact that he even thought about me at all while at work was a sign to him that he must really like me. Being friends is something that has to be there with Aquarians. They have to like you as a person before they can fall in love with you. Which is good because who wants to fall in love with someone they don't really like? I've seen it happen, it's not pretty. One thing I have noticed about them, though, is that if you completely ignore them they're not going to come chasing after you ... if you hint that you want nothing more to do with them then they're going to believe you and leave you alone, at least if it's still early in the relationship before you've really fallen for each other. And even then, I know one Aquarius guy who just walked out of a relationship because his girlfriend, in an angry fury no doubt, exclaimed that she never wanted to see him again and that she didn't know whether or not she still loved him anyway. "Ok," he said and walked away. Mind you, he had been talking about possibly marrying this girl before. She tried to reconcile later but no luck. They don't like games or manipulation, even if it's unintended. He figured for her to say things like that she must mean it somewhere deep inside so why prolong something that's bound to go sour in the future? Logic will override emotions in some situations for them.
I suggest just taking it easy with him. If he really likes you, you'll notice the little things first. He'll want you to meet his friends. He'll be okay with you meeting his family informally (that is, not the big "this is my girlfriend" event that happens later when you get serious). He'll try to get you involved in things that he likes to do, or go hang out with him and his friends together. He might leave you alone for a while at a party, but he's just socializing and expects you to do the same. Clinginess is foreign to him. Then you'll notice that he'll spend more time with you instead of doing all those other things. His friends will call to invite him out but he'll turn them down for a night with you. That's when you know he's getting to really like you. Then one day, out of the blue, he'll look at you intently and say something so sweet and romantic and obvious about liking you that you won't have any more doubts. He'll have learned to trust you and hopefully you'll have learned to trust him, too, by then. Then freedom won't become an issue later on.
Aquarians are a little weird but as long as you can accept them for who they are and encourage them to be who they want to be, they are wonderful friends ... and lovers, too.  ------------------
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posted April 26, 2005 07:19 AM
This is really interesting...do you think some of it will apply to an Aqua moon/venus person? For example, I was meant to ring him but I didn't cause I got fed up of having to do all the running...when he came over to my house he mentioned the fact that he should have rung me to let me know about a party that we all attended. I knew he was going and I think he knew I was going via other people. It made interesting when I saw him again. (To clarify, I am away at University during term time) so I hadn't seen him for a few weeks. I guess 'the out of sight out of mind' thing is true with him...IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 10:02 AM
I just want to know how does Aqua man feel when he doesn't call....I mean does he even realize that he is not giving proper attention or something????  GAL IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 10:20 AM
Flirt with him and ignore the crap out of him.IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 11:22 AM
If you're just getting to know him, you're going to have to be patient and may have to initiate some of it. If you find you two are getting to know each other more, stay in touch, but generally, the Aqua guy will be the one to initiate a lot and keep in touch...Aquarians do like to stay in touch with their friends and will do so either by email or phone.IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 01:09 PM
Wow, these Aqua people!!I am an Aqua too (2/1) and I was with an Aqua man (2/8). We had a baby and she is a Scorpio! But, he was my first real boyfriend, and we enjoyed a very nice, long friendship, and we are not together anymore. I found things got too cool between us, we weren't attracted to one another anymore. But we are still friends, and when we split, there was no big bang, just the end. I think he was interested in me because I never subscribe to putting the man I love on a leash, or any of my friends. He wanted me to leash him though. I let it go and go and go, until he literally put the words "I love you" in my mouth, a year after we were together. He actually told me I was talking in my sleep, and he heard me tell him that I loved him. I knew I didn't, but I thought he waited long enough for the words, and he didn't want to be the first to say it. Please be mindful of the fact that we were 17 when this happened, and he was the first man to ever witness me sleep. But, with those Aqua guys, they like to be kept in suspense. Loo IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 10:29 PM
Eleanore that does sound a lot like my Aqua as well, a combination of all of that, what happened is that we were officially 'together', he 'defined' us as being together one day and then he would NEVER call or initiate contact, not once. and i know that he calls his parents every other day, so he DOES have time and can remember if he wants. he never emails, he never msgs. So last weekend I called him up, hurt and kind of indecisive and asked him if was ok if we were just friends since he never kept in contact with me anyway and half the time im just always wondering if we're even still together or not. his behavior REALLY hurt my feelings, but then again i know it wasn't intentional. he wasn't even interested in discussing anything. he said "ok" and later on has been coming online now and then (very irregularly like before), to talk once in a while. its not the same at all, just friendly, he doesnt flirt anymore, and will say flat out no to some advances that i make. im not confused about where i want us to be--i wanted us to still be in a relationship but i was expecting him to say no its not ok if we're jus friends coz i do like u in a more-than-friend way and ive jus been busy. but no explanations.... day before yday i was really upset and stressed and called him coz i had this urge to talk to him (u probably know so well how sympathetic aqua men can be). i called, and then hung up promptly coz i was so nervous and thot he might be angry. he called me back...kept trying to console me, now i dont know if he still likes me or not. it could be he still does like me, for he did like me an awful lot, hes kissed me and um other things even tho we even went out for 2 weeks. hes never opened up to me emotionally so i dont know how he feels exactly its all just guesswork... i see it as , i can do 1 of 3 things right now:
1. since we're friends, i can pursue him without worrying about how he'll take it, and see how he responds. meaning: actively flirt with him, try to arrange some time together, in a couple of weeks perhaps directly ask to get back together again, or if he still likes me in a more than friend way?
2. stay friends, at the pace he wants me to keep it at, which is zero miles per hour... not to mention, so painful for me to do
3. stop talking to him altogether and try to move on again in the dating scene... what do you suggest? esp Eleanore, ur comments much appreciated? thank you!
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posted April 26, 2005 10:43 PM
I once dated an aqua. When my physycotic taurus moon and venus in taurus took over, he ran for his life.Oh well your loss buddy IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted April 26, 2005 10:59 PM
That's odd. The behavior you just described is exactly how an ex of mine behaved once (Capricorn with Aquarius Rising). I felt the same as you did about it. I chose to try keeping in touch with him as a possible relationship (since I wasn't sure were we stood) but eventually let it go. He just wasn't interested anymore. I heard later that he thought I was taking our relationship too seriously because I actually expected him to act like a boyfriend instead of just a guy I was dating. Maybe I wouldn't have acted the same if he hadn't asked me to be his girlfriend.  So silly. But at the time I was rather hurt by it.
I know how hard it can be to just let go when you really like someone. It seems to me that, for whatever reason, your Aqua has lost interest in your relationship though perhaps not you as a person/friend. It could be a million things that set it off really, not necessarily something you said or did. I suggest you ask him about it in a non-confrontational way just to make sure. I know it's hard to do but accepting the truth is better than living a lie. He may not tell you exactly why things changed but at least you'll know where you stand. I wouldn't suggest keeping him as a friend if you will to continue to expect more ... at least not as a close friend. I've been there before and it inevitably goes sour, especially when you see them with a new girlfriend. I think if he does tell you that he's not interested in you in "that way" anymore then to just stop talking to him and move on. It's really hard to do but we can't change how people feel. Be honest with yourself ... if you can really let go of your feelings for him, move on, and be happy staying just friends with him then try to stay friends.
I hope I'm not sounding like a pessimist. I'm just going off the options you presented and the behavior you described. However, I think that you know yourself and your relationship with this guy well enough to know that something is amiss. You wouldn't be this concerned over something you just imagined.
I'm wishing you the best of luck.
Aquarians are ... Aquarians. It's better to expect the unexpected with them.
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posted April 26, 2005 11:08 PM
My current boyfriend is a cappy with aqua rising and moon.I have learned to calm my possessiveness down a bit with him. He has backed away before because of it. So I stopped for good. Didn't wanna loose my twin soul. It's been 11 1/2 months  He has venus in sagitarious. IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2005 11:43 PM
I've got "psychotic" taurus moon, too Tranquil!! Only it's matched with an even more psychotic venus in Scorpio. Those damn Aquas>>> for as much mystery as they seem to be attracted to, they can serve up a meal of their own. Weirdos. Sexy, alluring weirdos (I'm so bitter ) IP: Logged |
Secret Garden
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posted April 26, 2005 11:58 PM
eleanore, im so glad u have so many kind words, i think i really need them now...i am thinking of sticking it out till my birthday. it might sound babyish but i want to see how he reacts to my birthday...if its a friend thing for him or a more than friend thing (my birthdays in about 5 weeks...aagh its going to take a lot of patience to wait it out till then but i want to hang around a bit more and maybe convince him that we're really good for each other in that really fun friend way ). if he still isnt interested...boy will it be painful but ill have to move on huh, this would be a big lesson ill never forget in that case. like u said, i will try to be straight up with him coz im pretty sure he appreciates honesty and communication over keeping the harmony etc. but i plan on being direct on my birthday or afterwards, not before then, i think it will be too much emotional drama/discussion of feelings in too short of a time and hes just more likely to say no to probably get away from the psychoticness....lol i dont think thats a word... any tips on how i should talk to him about it, and do u think that if he really does like me as more than a friend, then would he do something different for me on my birthday? say something different? act differently? im not expecting red roses or an extravagant gift (ive never gotten gifts from my significant others let alone a friend/not-friend/more-than-friend? lol). but i want to see if its a special day for him? do u think its a good idea? thanks again SG IP: Logged |
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posted April 27, 2005 01:57 AM
oh i dont know what to do about him, he always breaks my heart over and over, showing up, then telling me to 'hold on a sec', then he goes off for 45 mins, and then never comes back. doesnt pick up his ph. i hate those last conversations, the ones where u have to end it all...in dread of it im thinking ill just drag along till he sort of gets tired of me and does the dumping and last talk himself...im so blue right now its pathetic! grr. SG IP: Logged |
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posted April 27, 2005 05:03 AM
sorry dear i thot u were just starting off...if u r somewhere there then its better to talk to him about how u feel ..dont cry n dont have a complaining tone...just the matter of fact kinda thing...no u r not angry with him but just not happy....no discussion but just tellin him...
dont pls wait til ur bday sweets...he might ve long forgotten a lot of things and made a firm decision by then..n if pos meet him...i can so totally understand ur frustrations but once he is urs he will be more patient with ur feelings...n dont wish 4 a gemini moon for godssake...u wud ve been damn too detached n careless n irresponsible n god knows wut not...i ve a cappi moon n m very happy...i wudnt want to b smeone else so i cud get along better with another person... and a word of advice sweets,dont expect too much.in love u only give n not hope to receive..wen u give n not expect u get more than u can imagine...dont run behind love just give lots...care for that person..do things to make him happy n do it with love n be happy to c him happy n u will win the heart of any man on earth..demand love n u ll lose...this is all easy to say n quite difficult practically but it will make u happy if u can actually do it...
be positive sweets...sendin u love n hugs...
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posted April 27, 2005 06:07 AM
I think you should do what you feel is right, SecretGarden. If waiting until your birthday is comfortable for you then do it. From my own experience, yes, Aquarians will make a deal about your birthday though perhaps not in any traditional way. The Aqua male and females I know always have something planned for their partner on their birthdays, usually some kind of a surprise that could vary between an amusement park outing to a nature walk to romantic dinner at home. Sometimes you'll get a funny gift, some kind of gadget, or something you've been really wanting that you don't even remember mentioning to them in that way. It depends a lot on how long you've been together, too. Generally it's a sweet gesture they make for you.
How to talk to him ... well, it depends on what he does or doesn't do for your birthday. If he does nothing you might just want to come right to the point (calmly not dramatically) and ask if there's still anything romantic between you. If he says no then you have your answer. If he says yes then you might want to mention that you're a bit hurt that he didn't want to do something special for your birthday, even if it was something small and simple ... then see what he says. If he does do something, no matter what it is or how big or small it is, you may want to not ruin the surprise/day by broaching the issue of your relationship at that time. Wait and see how things go. If you're still confused about his feelings/intentions, perhaps you could ask him the next day ... like, mention how great a time you had (assuming you did, don't lie) and then ask him if he enjoyed himself, etc. Work the conversation up to the how-serious-are-we-now point as smoothly and non-confrontationally as you can from there. As long as he doesn't feel threatened, nagged, or put on the spot, he'll probably open up about it by that point.Now, as for the next post you made ... it really is rather rude for him to put you on hold and not come back and then not answer his phone. I can't excuse that just because he's an Aquarius. If you want to drag it out (that is, if you really feel there's nothing there anymore) you may want to know that he may never give you a last talk. He might just try to disappear. You may never know exactly what happened or why ... just that one day you knew you couldn't call him anymore and that he wouldn't call you, and that was that. If that's okay with you then go ahead. Otherwise, you might want to approach him about it just to give yourself some peace of mind.
I know this is a hard time for you. I'm sorry. It may be hard to see the silver lining right now, but remember that things will work out allright in the end. They always do. 
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posted April 28, 2005 09:29 AM
Secret Garden i am sorry this aqua is putting you through the wringer.I have aquarius rising and a lot of aspects squaring my asc, so i basically am a bundle of condradictions in relationships.Unfortunately any strong aquarius influence can make you totally nuts in close relationships or friendships. And a lot of it is beyond your control.I am at the point where i am trying to embrace that side of me and find ways of expressing it without trampling on people's feelings. He truly probably doesn't mean to be hurtful, it's just aquarius makes you nut's, that's the only way i can explain it. I have tried explaining it to people even warning them at the beginning what is likely to happen but they don't listen and bam i end up slam dunking them, and screwing with their feelings. If he doesn't come around by your birthday i would say goodbye, for your own sake. Good luck. IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2005 12:34 PM
WOW!!!! I would just kinda of pull back if you can. Its hard I know, I kinda of went through the same thing with an Aqua guy.
Elanore you have the Aqua man down to a tee.
They are not hard to figure out. Everything that you described about the Aqua man is so true my ex-Aqua would drag me everywhere with him even to the laundromat. He even took me 2 the gym with him on Sunday mornings to keep score while him and the other guys played ball. So if they like you, you will know. Secret I would try and pull back if I were you just a lil bit. I know that it is hard I had to do it to. Aqau men are a mess, but if I ever meet another one that I am attracted to I will know how to deal with him. Deep in your heart you already know what to do. Jus do it..Lots of hugs and good vibes out to you.. IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2005 12:50 PM
The secret to any happy Aquarian relationship is availability. You have to be available all the time, and clinging is fine-in private-not in public. Big difference. When you are home alone, Aquas are different people and do not mind any kind of attention except no attention. In public which includes, phone calls, text messages, emails, letters, cards, work, anything that is open-clinginess is not good, because it's one way.Aquas like to set the pace emotionally, so they would not appreciate that. Every Aqua I was happy with lived in a ten mile radius of me, more than that and I was forgotten. Fixed air signs, like their friends close by, and you will be sorry if you move away physically or emotionally because Aquas will not chase you. They are looking for stability at home, even if they are not dependable. That is why in long distance relationships you always see the non aqua moving to live near the Aqua, because he or she will never move. They ar fixed after all. It's not just air, it's a fixed thing, although air signs in general do prefer to receive all the attention privately, and they can't do that if they are constantly making arrangements to meet in public, then they feel dominated. I just don't care anymore, I make friends with Aquas, and Aqua people who are close by and don't try to stay in touch if I move. It won't work, and it's not healthy for the Aqua who needs someone right there. So I get my attention from myself and my family and friends and give private attention if needed. Aquas are not touchy feely because they are looking for someone, but when they are touchy feely I am more worried because then they are sad, and a sad Aqua is like a major black cloud. They can make you feel so guilty! Another fixed sign habit. It's hard but every Aqua I ever left alone, I wish I had gone back to and at least listened to. So I do pursue, even though I hate it because Aquas have a way of making the entire community sad, if they are not pursued by someone. How to pursue is another story. I really don't know, not with cards or letters, or calls that's for sure. or gifts. Talk to his friends, butter them up. Personally if someone pursues me it's hard for me to care romantically-but then it's because I don't care that much to provoke someone into paying attention to me. I ought to have more insights, I have Uranus trine Sun, but all I know is that Aqua men and I always adore each other, only one of us has to move closer. I guess it has to be me, because moving closer also means standing still, and that's my lesson. how to stay in something that's still good,
SG with your merc in Gemini and Venus in Aries, find something good and try and stick to it. If he wants you, go to him, and stick by him. You can cling without getting intimate, and explore. Natasha
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posted April 29, 2005 10:21 AM
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I just want to know how does Aqua man feel when he doesn't call....I mean does he even realize that he is not giving proper attention or something????
GAL
_____________________________________________ my guess is its thier ego that makes them do so . they wouldn't like to be seen as weak. infact ths something that iam quite sure of .
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