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Peri
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posted May 18, 2005 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found some kewl info on synastry aspects, to me it seems very accurate:

A lot of conjunctions

There is osmosis in this relationship and you often see this in people who grow old together and start to look alike, talk alike and in many ways are the same. They will have a tendency to identify each other by roles. In some respects this can be an ideal but can also become a bit predatory or co-dependant. With this tonal quality, there is both positive and negative. Conjunctions are the foundations of the chart. It's where people agree, where there are few disputes and hence compatibility that is a true melding of energies. This represents a solid foundation that provides a base for lasting interface. So if there are plenty conjunctions, there is commonalty and communion. But too many, sets the relationship in concrete to the point where is becomes static and lacking in energy. An osmotic relationship is fraught with the danger that one of the partners can, by the strength of personality, entirely swamp the other. The risk of domination is high particularly where one person's outer planets are conjunct the others personal planets. The unfortunate side of this kind of relationship is that an issue might arise that can smash the concrete to pieces as transits trigger response mechanisms in individual natal charts and the stress is a projectile - straight into the sacred space of union.

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Plenty Oppositions

Generally speaking in today's Western marital climate, individual roles are clarified as equal. Oppositions can be very useful in illustrating distinctly individual positions in he equality. They point out potential differences that might be challenging but are aspects that lead to ways to 'meet in the middle'. However, if there are too many oppositions, individuals don't come together often enough to sustain the relationship! Positively, each identifies themselves within the relationship as separate entities. Sometimes this kind of opposition based relationship can create conflicting or challenging conditions, but it is a dynamic form of energy and one from which 'give and take' emerges as a positive outcome. Partners either agree to differ or find some measure of compromise. When oppositions are triggered by transits to one or both charts, the 'issue' that arises can often be clear-cut. Oppositions enable the individuals to respect and recognise their differences and when issues arise they will often draw together and rise to the challenge united or polarises to one point of view. With oppositions, they challenge each other to grow. And personal growth can sometimes be at the expense of the marriage, but if it is bonded with supportive aspects such as trines or sextiles, loving and liking and respect underpin it. Oppositions are not rigid, they allow for a zapping back and forth of energy, and at times there needs to be a haven for tranquillity and restoration of energy.


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Many Squares

Squares can be very energising but also very difficult in relationships because with the square there's often no solution or resolution to tensions. There seems to be a need to prove something all the time in a square relationship. This can be a crisis-ridden relationship but with each crisis there is opportunity for growth. But, growth can be blocked when every time one partner seeks confirmation in the mirror of the other they meet a brick wall or they meet with some shadow energy that reflects the un-owned negative qualities of the partner. The lack of give and take when the square predominates can be very wearing. Too many squares will take a toll somewhere; there's only so much stress a person can take! Wherever you have a square you have a potential issue that has to be integrated into the framework of the life of the relationship so that it becomes an active part of the whole. Positively this can create a great dynamic with potential for motivation and acceptance of the other's qualities, but if there are too many, it becomes burdensome. If you've ever watched a bricklayer building a house, he fills his hod with only as many bricks as he can comfortably carry. That way he is productive and the building grow. Squares are like bricks. They build walls but also create safe boundaries. Too many and they either crash down and kill an innocent passer by or they cripple the craftsman! Relationships need a few brick walls to climb in order to test the validity of the relationship. It's often through a certain level of healthy stress that we can achieve and there is potential for achievement with a good balance of squares.


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Mainly Trines

Like the grand trine, there is promise of great talent and creativity but most often it is not accessed unless it's part of a kite or gets a good kick along with a square or two. It's the same with a Trine flavoured relationship. It can be very bland. It may be lovely and light-hearted and frivolous but without issues, without passion, there is no richness. There is often a sense of one partner accumulating; staying put in life while the other becomes the social activist. In this way, they never fully interface but so tolerate each other's activities. With this relationship there's an easy, friendship based relationship, an easy come- easy- go" kind of experience with nothing to really come to grips with. A lot of trines in marriage can imply that they fell in love with an inner image of the perfect partner, - romantic Neptunian stuff. It is quite possible that they drift out of love but since they are quite comfortable, they accept the status quo. A few squares and oppositions are needed to make it more dynamic. The comfort zone in the relationship is where the trines are - here the whole relationship can become so complacent, too much comfort, fat and lazy, unmotivated. Where there are trines is where the solace is but there's silence in too many trines. Trines are a release mechanism; there is no resistance. When the trines support hard aspects in a secondary position, they are light and comforting and healing. Even when they predominate, provided there are some good solid 'hard' aspects, to motivate, trines are beneficial. Such relationships often do well in a social or material way so are reflected in a life of material comfort and social ease.


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Several Sextiles

When the grid shows a predominant number of sextiles, you have a grid that vibrates to a 6th 'harmonic'. The 6th harmonic relates to the idea of 'helping' - it occurs in a child's sixth year, when those little people first begin to want to assist in chores, and be rewarded by a parent. The seeds of relationship are set at this time. Someone who seeks out a sextile kind of energy is often seeking confirmation from the 'inner parent' about his or her usefulness. A predominance of sextiles, is probably the least harmful, it tells you the relationship 'works' because each aids the other and also rewards the other. It may not be 'passionate' but there is an innate acceptance of the others 'flaws' and a capacity to work in tandem, with roles not always defined but shared. The sextile brings a practical and balanced attitude, a realistic ease, because there is an understanding of and an awareness of tension, and a constructive, creative energy that pre-empts and often turns tensions to good effect. They are not the most exciting aspects but liking and respect come with this aspect. It enables one to live in the real world in which the other also lives. It implies that any difficulties find a working solution, a compromise and that there is a 'support' framework in place. The negative face of the sextile is that compromise can also mean one becomes subservient to the other, self effacing and taking too passive a stance. So there is also the risk of one becoming martyred to the cause of the other - until some transit comes along that triggers a rebellion! Even so, there can be a resolution.


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The "Minor" Aspects

You are unlikely to find predominance because of the orb used for the so-called "Minor" aspects. However they form an important role in assessing the grid because they operate at a less conscious, more subliminal level.

The Semisquare implies discontent.

It can illustrate a lack of trust in the relationship. There is an unwillingness to go all the way to a full blown aspects, and irritation and conflict is rarely addressed, but they seem to get half way but then back off. When semi-squares are triggered, old habits and irritations loom large and take on ridiculous proportions. What might seem a cute little habit when you are in the glister of first love becomes the straw that can break the camels back in 20 year's time and the issues just simmer along until a transit triggers them. Apparently 'good' relationship can then break under the strain of what might seem to others a trivial issue.

The Sesquisquare implies ongoing but unrecognised irritants.

This is a bit like the semi square except there might be a bit more chance of facing it. Indeed it is faced so many times as a dynamic in the relationship that it eventually becomes a reliable source of conflict in what might otherwise be a dull existence. It takes irritation and makes it full blown frustration. It can however, lead to confronting and issue at least, usually after a long period. But residual animosity tends to remain. When this aspect appears frequently in relationships grid, the partners will tend to take things to extremes to test each other.

The Quincunx is a very difficult aspect.

There are charts where this takes dominance and they are toxic relationships. Generally said to be the areas where adjustments have to be made, if one has to adjust to the point of losing focus then it is a sinister aspect. The Quincunx "swings" between a trine and opposition. There is a constant shifting of energy that can be wearing. This aspect is the stuff of the victim / perpetrator and one hopes not to find it except in small numbers. Too many and the chances of the relationship being healthy are remote. It occurs commonly in charts where one partner is alcoholic, sick, or escapes responsibility through infidelity or illness and the other takes the strain. The quincunx erodes the relationship. It is like standing talking to someone and they don't make eye contact, their eyes flick from left to right but never directly at you, you're not even sure they are listening and then you start to feel uneasy, edgy and uptight. If you've experienced that you understand how disconcerting it can be. Well, imagine that as a constant dynamic in a relationship, an uneasy, fearful feeling. It's enough to erode any relationship. It's almost like developing an allergy to each other, and can in fact give real physical symptoms. Hypochondria is part of this dynamic, the ultimate cop out, the 'escape into sickness' syndrome and you wonder who is the perpetrator and who is the victim. You never really know except that someone is carrying the load. Adjustment implies change and too many adjustments imply complete change. A few quincunxes might be fruitful for individual personal change to accommodate the needs of another, but too many are too demanding.

The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.

If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.

The Septile carries both spiritual overtones and shadow undertones.

A few septiles imply spiritual bonding. There is rapport at a mental level; one intuits the thoughts of the other. There is a psychic link, a reading of minds and uniting of thoughts that is almost telepathic. However, if there's too much mental or psychic linking it can become intrusive. One might not want the other to tune in to their thoughts! Too many septiles can intrude in a sinister way and creates an environment whereby shadows come out to play.

The Novile implies the search for perfection.

It illustrates what one might expect or hope for in the relationship and may or may not find. Noviles in a Synastry highlight areas where there is a possibility of 'trap setting' dynamics because of preconditioned expectations. Like the Septile it operates like an unconscious harmonic vibration and may well have a lot to do with childhood expectations. You fall in love with an idea(l). Archetype meets archetype - the handsome prince and princess swoon! Then reality strikes and in reality things are not as expected. It can be wonderful when someone measures up to the ideal and creates an exchange whereby there is a sense of dreams coming true. But this aspect can also promote an environment of testing and trap setting. Too many of these and partners are constantly setting the other up for failure. Even when they pass a test, there's another around the corner!

In a general sense, the main aspects plus a few of the main 'minor' one should give a chart with enough space for energy to move. When you use the Synastry grid, it doesn't need to be picked to pieces and examined through specific individual aspects unless there is an issue. Many of these issues will arise through contacts by transit or progression to one of the partner's natal planets and constellate and emerge, through the dynamics of the energy contacts in the relationship. The overview, the individual natal charts, and aspects involved in the 'hot spot' that is focussed by transits and progressions give a clear picture of issues and enable creative dialogue and hopefully, resolution. http://www.panplanet.com/articles/aspects.html

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hey mucho thanx for info


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posted October 23, 2006 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for and     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 23, 2006 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

9th harmonic is used for marriage in Vedic Astrology.

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posted October 23, 2006 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great! Thanks!

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posted October 23, 2006 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Chart of the Soul Mate: the 9th Harmonic

by Cathy H. Burroughs

Fate means that my love for you shall be burnt into the deepest grain of my spirit by the most wonderful encaustic process of despair, hope, intoxicating joy, patience, absence, desperation, and some day – if God is good enough – this picture of a great love shall receive a transparent varnish of happy possession to bring out of its colours and keep them ever fresh. – Byron Caldwell Smith to Kate Stephens, April 2nd, 1875 (from Passionate Love Letters: An Anthology of Desire by Michelle Lovric)

I have long been fascinated by the concept of the Soul Mate, so it was with considerable exhilaration that I learned in an astrology workshop in the early 80's, that in fact, there was an astrological chart which did just this: served as both map and compass to this mysterious region. In this workshop, the brilliant, Florida-based astrologer Delphine Jay, author of Practical Harmonics, first unveiled this miraculous construct: the 9th Harmonic chart.

Covering the 5th, the 7th and the 9th harmonic charts in astrology, Jay revealed, in the course of an all day workshop in Baltimore, MD, these higher vibrational frequency charts. Like a series of photographic magnifications that build with heart-stopping crescendo, ultimately revealing what is at the heart of the matter, as in Antoinini's unforgettable cult film of the 60's, Blowup, these charts function in similar fashion: to reveal that which cannot always be seen.

While all three were absolutely fascinating, the 9th, the higher vibrational frequency of Pluto, was the one that totally mesmerized me. It shows in eloquent mathematical formulation that which completes us on the soul level, or according to Jay, our “destined unfoldment.”

In much the same way that Alice's fall down the rabbit hole gave her access to an allegorical and magical world which mirrored back to its readers the real world, this profound instrument, the 9th Harmonic, reflects our true non-self or destined path, “through parallel symbology*.”

It may come as a surprise, that these contacts between the natal or birth chart, and the 9th harmonic chart, can be found, not only between intimate partners, but also between family members, and even amongst our rosters of most meaningful connections; these may include our cherished dogs or cats, teachers, best friends, or even those whom you may have met only briefly or in passing. I even see relationships that never make it out of the etheric realm, into the realm of day-to-day reality.

Delphine Jay found that she often got more clarity about her husband when she looked at transits to her own 9th Harmonic Chart, than by looking at her husband's actual natal chart. She felt this harmonic demonstrated, in high relief, just how interrelated we actually all are.

Soul Mates/Twin Souls

Of course, the vast number of clients I see regarding their love life want to know about the Soul Mate, and there is an abundance of literature on the subject. Some say there is one true partner; others say we have many Soul Mates, and only one Twin Soul. Others, talk about Soul Families, Kindred Souls, Over Souls and Karmic partnerships.

One who has written in specificity on the subject is the Washington state-based counselor and minister, Robert Detzler, the creator of Spirit Release Therapy and author of Soul Re-Creation. He goes into great depth on the exact formation of the Soul Family.

From Detzler's spiritual research, contrary to popular belief, he has determined we can each have up to nine Twin Flames, and 72 Flame Mates in one's Soul Family. He further talks about Oversouls, Soul Mates, Soul Essences, Siamese Flames, and the addictive energy of Flames. He believes, even of the nine Flame Mates, there is only one true mate in the group. He also adds that even if you are with a Twin Flame, this is no guarantee of the idyllic emotional completeness we all dream. These couplings can, more often than not, provide deeply challenging evolutionary opportunities that carry the past shared and sometimes complicating experiences of many incarnations and dimensions together.

From my own experience and practice, there are a range of relationships that I see frequently. One is the Twin Flame which can be very challenging on the earth plane. It's almost as if this is a higher vibrational frequency relationship that has difficulty functioning in the density of the earth plane. I do also see Soul Mate or partial Soul Mate, even Soul Brother and Soul Sister relationships, where there is a soul connection, and both parties feel it. Sometimes I do see sublimely happy relationships that describe themselves as Soul Mates, but I can count those couples on one hand.

The other type relationship that comes up frequently is a Karmic relationship, which often shows strong Saturn aspects, in its synastry. In these partnerships, we find couples coming together to work through wounds or unresolved past life traumas. The psychologist and creator of Imago Relationship Therapy, Harville Hendrix, writes about the function of intimate relationships to heal childhood, and, I believe, past life, wounds. These relationships, may indeed, also be Soul Mate, Twin Soul or Soul Family partnerships, or Karmic, as well.

I have also seen a final category of relationship where they may not have soul connections or shared past lives, but come together out of a shared compatibility and shared mission. These can be very happy relationships, without the baggage of numerous shared lifetimes, fresh and clear, but not always feeling the depth, or complication of the other types.

How to Use the 9th Harmonic Chart

He who gets wisdom loves his own soul; he who cherishes understanding prospers. Proverbs 19.8

The Harmonic Charts were first written about by the British astrologer John Addey, and encompass fairly sophisticated theories of physics to explain their impact. His approach provides a conceptual basis for how aspects work, and how to look at a chart with the emphasis on one aspect for a deeper underlying meaning.

Delphine Jay's compelling comments on the 9th Harmonic indicate that the 9th is the 3 x 3 fold, representing the holy trinity. This formula brings chemistry which can lead to marriage, a heavy, meaningful partnership or brings the characteristics to test you.

According to Jay, this charts describes by parallel symbology your mate, or if unmarried, what turns you on to your destiny. Either marriage, or learning to live with the not self, serves as an earth test for completion.

The 9th Harmonic is the fruit of the tree: it is both the chart of the soul mate and the chart of the soul itself. Additionally, astrologer Addey, father of harmonics, said the 9th also represents some particular life work towards which you are heading, whether we know it or not.

In this chart, your 9th represents your mate and his or her's, represents you. Ironically, the 7th house of your 9th, also reveals how others see you. It is the “not self” of your own soul chart.

There is a detailed mathematical means for finding these harmonics by hand, but you can also create this chart fairly easily with existing software. It is important to choose an equal house system, as this chart is hypothetical or conceptual in nature. Because of this, it is vital to have the exact birth time, in order to have an accurate chart. Then choose harmonic, and the number nine. It is useful to work with both natal charts, as well as both 9th harmonic charts. You are looking for hits, or exact or nearly exact, conjunctions between the natal and 9th, and the 9th and 9th, of each person respectively.

You may also look for the traditional relationship aspects: sun/moon; mars/venus; 5th and 7th house planets; ascendant and nodal contacts, as well. You may also look at biwheel synastry, composites (the midway point of any two charts that becomes the chart of the relationship), transits, progressions and returns.

These charts are very profound, and actually give you a graphic depiction of your own deepest needs on the soul level. You may also look at the 9th harmonic as your soul itself, with the ascendent or rising sign being your actual umbilical connection or your first connection to life as we know it on this plane.

When you find one exact hit or conjunction, or a number of them, these depict the actual areas of soul connection. Other astrologers believe the 9th Harmonic demonstrates sexuality; while others believe it shows the capacity for joy and living life to the fullest or caring and warmth; still others believe this chart reveals the capacity to disengage in struggle or maintain a spiritually detached relationship to life. It is a general consensus, however, that this chart is particularly pertinent for understanding issues involving love and marriage.

Navamsha Chart or Marriage Chart

Western Astrology is not the only type of astrology that looks to the 9th Harmonic as the chart of the soul mate. In Vedic or Hindu astrology the 9th harmonic has been used for hundreds of years to match people up in holy matrimony in keeping with the Indian tradition of arranged marriage. Often, an astrologer would match up two individuals who both had difficult marriage aspects to try to ameliorate or lighten the karma of the two.

Conclusion

Jay presented the chart of John F. Kennedy as a means of understanding how to see both Jackie Onassis and JFK's destiny in this chart, which you may want to explore to practice the application of this interpretation.

The 9th Harmonic Chart is, after all, a paradox: how indeed can the soul, the soul's path, and the soul mate actually be authentically depicted by an astrological chart? This is a chart, similar to the natal chart, which takes a lifetime of study, of living, and of reflecting to reveal its many facets and dimensions. Do we ever truly know our own soul, our own soul's desire, or for that matter, our own soul mate? This chart pushes the study of astrology to the limit, and over the edge, to where astrology and mysticism co-mingle.

*quoted from Delphine Jay
http://www.aquarius-atlanta.com/aug04/harmonic.shtml

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Glaucus,

thank you for the article on the 9th harmonic; it sounds indeed very interesting.
Do you only look to conjunctions, or may oppositions count as well?
And what orb is allowed?

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I would look at the oppositions too. The Vedic Astrologers used the navamsha which is a 9th harmonic aspect. They did use whole sign aspects unlike modern western astrology. Their rules included that every planet aspects the 7th house from itself,and so they included oppositions.

I have Mercury seminovile Jupiter with 4 minutes of arc myself. That appears as Mercury oppose Jupiter in 9th harmonic chart. Vedic Astrologers would definitely take that aspect into strong consideration. I have Sun seminovile Uranus with 3 minutes of arc which I might indicate the erratic father who disappeared on me forever when I was a year old as well as my own unconventional nature. I would definitely pay attention to minor aspects that are exact or near exact.

Because Vedic Astrologers use the 9th harmonic as a 2nd main chart, I wonder if the 9th harmonic aspects should be the most important harmonic aspects which aren't Ptolematic aspects.

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You said, astrologers use whole-sign-aspects in harmonic charts; does that mean a Moon in 4° Pisces and a Venus in 27° Virgo would still be considered as being opposite?

In the article you posted it`s said that you compare (for synastry) both 9th harmonic charts and the 9th harmonic chart with the natal chart of each person. What about orbs here?
And what does it really say?
For example: if there`s a Sun-Moon-conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart, does that mean those two people are probably soulmates? And how does it differ from a synastry of the natal charts?
Or are the harmonic charts only used to see the minor aspects more clearly?
A conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart would appear as a novile in the natal chart, or am I wrong here?

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Raymond,

These posts are so interesting, there's no way I'll ever be able to understand the geometry (or whatever all that technical stuff is called) but reading about the interconnectedness of our souls' paths, destinies, etc is just so dreamy and ethereal to me. I just keep going, "woooow". I'd never even heard of "harmonics" in astrology before I joined on to this board. I have that tricky Moon square Jupiter - so I tend to be too much of a hedonist for my own good!

You mentioned software that can provide the calculations...does it construct the chart as well? Where would one find interpretations on these harmonic charts?

While reading through your posts I keep thinking, "Oh man, this would take a lifetime to learn!" Kudos to you for integrating all this knowledge in spite of your learning style differences!!!! I really am in awe. Very, very cool.

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Duh, I just found "harmonic" on astro.com and pulled up my harmonic charts so I can now make more sense of what you are speaking to. I'm a visual learner...thanks again!
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posted October 25, 2006 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri -

I got so carried away reading Glaucus' posts I almost forgot to thank you for the great Synastry information above! It was all extremely helpful in understanding the contexts of my important relationships.

I think I'm gettin' woozy from all this heavy pondering, lol. Again, very, very cool.

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posted October 25, 2006 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I'm goin' mental now...furiously examining this 9th harmonic chart of mine, lol.

Question: you mention, "It is important to choose an equal house system, as this chart is hypothetical or conceptual in nature." Does this mean each house is equal in size to the others relatively? I ask this because my Asc reads 25 Pisces and my MC reads 23 Scorpio. Wouldn't this make my Des 25 Virgo and IC 23 Taurus, and if so the houses wouldn't be "equal". Gosh, I don't mean to sound stupid or ignorant. It's just a lot of what you all know is still quite new to me, so please forgive me if I am indeed missing the obvious.

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Maire,

an equal housesystem means that you put the Ascendant on the cusp of the 1st house and then divide the circle in 12 equally wide houses; so each house would have 30°.
In your example the cusp of the 2nd house would be 25° Aries, the cusp of the 10th house would be 25° Sagittarius. Of course that means that the MC is not necassarily the same as the cusp of the 10th house.
I think Indian astrologers use only equal houses.

And I have to agree on those other things you mentioned. Since I`ve joined that forum, I have learned such a lot of new astrological stuff, it`s amazing!

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posted October 25, 2006 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did I miss this?
Awesome stuff

So, question? I did a survey of a synastry chart at astro. (using asteriods/points) they auto list and taking into account that some are wide orb, I come up with a pretty even amount of each aspect (major)
It looks like we just have ALOT!
Conj.- 21
Square- 29
Sextile- 21
Trine- 26
Oppo- 18

Semi-square- 3
Sesquat- 3
Quincunx- 8 (they are biggies too)
Semi- sextile- 4
bQ- 6
Quintiles-7

The 9th harmonic is very thought provoking, too.
Does any one know where to ge a "full size" version of this chart. I can not distinguish
things on Astro's because half of it is jumbled into a couple signs at the top.

It's really cool though, (to look at). It looks like a big 3d blue pyramid with the boldest red line possible from Saturn at the bottom .. It's so bold because there are so many red lines all bunched together.... I wish i could read it as well.

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posted October 25, 2006 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome Maire no worries

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posted October 25, 2006 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic astrologers use 9th harmonic chart as the marriage chart and a 2nd main chart. That's pretty much it. This is not a western astrological concept. Vedic Astrologers have used harmonic charts for hundreds of years.

Any harmonic chart can be used as fine tuner for a reading. That's how Vedic Astrologers use harmonic charts. Remember their astrological system is far different from ours. They even use 27 lunar mansions called nakshastras. They compare Moons in the nakshatra,sign for compatibility purposes. It's called the kuta system. People in India know their moonsigns naturally like people in the west know their sunsigns naturally. Also..they use a different chart. They use a sidereal zodiac chart with whole sign houses. 1st house starts at 0 degrees of a sign,and then the next house starts at 0 degrees of a sign. It's the oldest house system too. That how they used whole sign aspects. The planets aspect the whole house that the planet is in,and not just the planet.


A conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart would appear as not just a novile, but also binovile,quadrinovile as well as the trine which is also a trinovile.

for instance,my gal's Venus trines my Ascendant with 3 minutes of arc. Her Venus conjuncts my Ascendant with 29 minutes of arc in the 9th harmonic chart comparison.


BTW...I don't necessarily agree with that article..especially with the whole soulmate thing. I just wanted to show how 9th harmonic(navamsha)is chart that has been used to look at marriage in Vedic Astrology system,and that 9th harmonic is very important in Vedic Astrology.
It is the Navamsha that Vedic Astrologers use to determine the strengths of planets in a main chart. For instance,if Jupiter seems strong in in main chart,but Jupiter is weak in the navamsha, then Jupiter is really not that strong. Vedic Astrology is a totally different system with different rules.

Solar Fire and Kepler can calculate numerous charts....heck...I have been looking at master number charts in Solar Fire

Computer calculation programs really make Astrology easy. If it wasn't for computers, I wouldn't be an astrologer. That's the truth. I would be so stressed and confused by all the calculations that I would have to do. My strength is in delineating a chart and seeing patterns and themes.


Computer calculation programs really do make calculating other harmonic aspects. They didn't have computers in the old days,and so calculating the other harmonic aspects would be very difficult. They are not whole sign aspects like the Ptolemaic. Quincunx and Semisextile are wholesign aspects too.

If you see Aries as conjunction.(0 degrees)
Taurus would be waxing semisextile(30 degrees)
Gemini would be waxing sextile(60 degrees)
Cancer would be waxing square(90 degrees)
Leo would be waxing trine(120 degrees)
Virgo would be waxing quincunx(150 degrees)
Libra would be opposition(180 degrees)
Scorpio would be waning quincunx(210 degrees)
Sagittarius would be waning trine(240 degrees)
Capricorn would be waning square(270 degrees)
Aquarius would be waning sextile(300 degrees)
Pisces would be waning semisextile(330 degrees)
end of Pisces back to Aries would be waning conjunction(360 degrees)


all aspects are based on harmonics(divisions of a circle)

1st harmonic - conjunction
2nd harmonic - opposition(1/2)
3rd harmonic - trine(1/3)
4th harmonic - square(1/4)
5th harmonic - quintile(2/5),biquintile(2/5)
6th harmonic - sextile(1/6)
7th harmonic - septile(1/7),biseptile(2/7),triseptile(3/7)
8th harmonic - semisquare(1/8),sesquiquadrate(3/8)
9th harmonic - novile(1/9),binovile(2/9),quadrinovile(4/9)
10th harmonic - decile(1/10), tridecile(3/10)
11th harmonic - undecile(1/11),biundecile(2/11),triundecile(3/11),quadriundecile(4/11),
quinqueundecile(5/11)
12th harmonic - semisextile(1/12),quincunx(5/12)

any aspect over 180 degrees is a waning aspect.

If you know Numerology, then you know how the Harmonics work.


Adze also associate the harmonics with the zodiac signs http://www.adze.com/Classroom/aspects.html


I think that not only would 9th harmonic aspects between Sun and Moon can be important. So can other harmonics. My girlfriend's Sun deciles which is 1/10 and also known as a semiquintile) my Moon with only 3 minutes of arc. Her Sun oppose My Moon with 16 minutes of arc in 5th harmonic. Her Sun conjuncts My Moon in 10th harmonic chart with 32 minutes of arc. Her Sun decile Moon is definitely a strong aspect because it's almost exact, and this could be good for the transformational change and creativity. Adze compares decile to Capricorn which is sign associated with career/social status. Our Mercuries biquintile with 1'07 orb

The 7th harmonic could be important it has a mystical influence. My girlfriend's Sun triseptiles my Sun with 23 minutes of arc and triseptiles my Ascendant with 4 minutes of arc to form a 3 point 7th harmonic pattern which also means her Sun opposes my Sun/Ascendant with 10 minutes of arc,and that 's a significant midpoint configuration in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology. My Venus triseptiles her Mars with 36 minutes of arc. Adze correlates 7th harmonic with Libra,the relationship sign.

according to Robert Hand

the Five series - Quintile,Biquintile,Decile

- quality similar to that associated with Pluto,with overtones of Venus and Mars; some kind of concrete creation or destruction is effected. intellectual functions(not excluding emotion) and all especially human matters. Transformational change. The ability to express creative inspiration(due to other factors)in concrete creation.

The Seven Series - Septile,Biseptile,Triseptile,Semiseptile
a Uranus-Neptune flavor,energy linkings not
of this world,creative inspiration,but also mental and emotional difficulties and tenuous
connectednesss with the physical universe;
religion.

The Nine Series
Completions,endings;what life produces in the long run;needs and capacities in relationships and marriage


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posted October 25, 2006 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Sun quindecile my Moon and also my Sun in synastry. My venus quintile his Mar. That's it. We also do not have aspect for Sun/Moon in composite chart.

However, in the 9th harmonic charts for both of us, we have the followings:
His Sun semisextile my Sun (exact)
My Sun oppose his Moon (1 degree orb)
My Moon sextile his Sun (2 degree orb)
My Moon square his Moon (3 degree orb)
My Venus square his Mar (1 degree orb)
His 9th harmonic Sun/Moon oppose my 1st harmonic Asc (2 degree orb)
His Sun/Moon trine my Sun/Moon (1.5 degree orb)

And in the 9th composite chart: Sun is exactly trine Moon.

What do you think about this?

What aspects in 9th harmonic chart indicate Soulmate connection?

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posted October 25, 2006 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would look at only conjunctions and oppositions when it comes to harmonic charts. I would look at oppositions because they are polarity aspects like a whole axis like Midheaven/IC and Ascendant/Descendant.

We have Sun seminovile Moon exact in our composite chart. That's Sun oppose Moon with 3 minutes of arc in our 9th harmonic composite chart.


The main thing is to look at the major aspects in a regular chart. I would always stress that. My gal and I are good to go with Sun conj Moon with 3'56 orb and Ascendant oppose Ascendant with 16 minutes of arc.

All the other stuff is just finetuning or refining.

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posted October 25, 2006 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh i know this has nothing to do with the threat but Peri, you live in Kyiv? I was born there and moved when i was 10 miss it a ton <33

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posted October 25, 2006 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh man, this stuff is waaaaay over my head. I think I'll just hire someone to tell me the story...lol (there's that Moon square Jupiter again!)

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posted October 26, 2006 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 26, 2006 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"Kudos to you for integrating all this knowledge in spite of your learning style differences!!!! I really am in awe. Very, very cool."

Maire,

I appreciate your compliments,but actually I think it's because of my learning style differences and not in spite of them. I am just speaking for my fellow Dyslexics and Dyspraxics about we have our gifts too.

Although their unique brain architecture and "unusual wiring" make reading, writing, and spelling difficult, most people with dyslexia have gifts in areas controlled by the right hemisphere of the brain. The right side controls:artistic skill,athletic ability,musical ability,mechanical ability, people skills,3D visual-spatial skills,vivid imagination,intuition,creative,global thinking,curiosity http://www.dys-add.com/symptoms.html

The coordination issues of my Dyspraxia decrease my athletic ability,artistic skil,and mechanical ability because those are highly dependent on great fine motor skills which I have a lack of. As far as athletic ability goes, I was a very fast runner and just overall very quick including reflexes. I am a very good dancer too, but I have a natural awkwardness and clumsiness in every day things. It's like a person who stutters but he gains his grace of voice when he sings. I have sequential memory difficulties which affect my reading and coordination, The order of words,sentences,and paragraphs I have difficulty with,and that makes it hard for me to remember what I read and listen. The order of actions I have difficulty with,and that makes it hard me to remember what people do. It makes training me very difficult, and people think I am "slow" or "stupid" I am a nonlinear type.


Strengths of Dyspraxics

A. Hard Working (e.g. very dedicated to the completion of tasks)
B. Motivated, due to the never give up attitude that is developed through struggling to complete the simplistic tasks
C. Out Side The Box Thinking (e.g. the ability to come up with unique and creative ideas)
D. Caring; such as having the ability to help those with differences, be compassionate to animals and have a great rapport with the elderly in the community
E. Loyal; Always wanting to do the best for others around you and not lying
* F. Good With Patterns (e.g. can easily memorize things such as music, sports stats because of their strong patterns; this insight into patterns allows for great intelligence)
G. High Verbal IQ (e.g. the ability to express oneself by using common sense and social reasoning) http://www.dyspraxiausa.com/id17.html

Expressive-Language problems of my Dyslexia decreases Verbal IQ.

As you see, my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia figures into my abilities in Astrology.

I really do believe for sure that my 11th harmonic pentagram of Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus,and Ascendant are bigtime astrological indicator of my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia,and the rightbrained strengths connected to those conditions. http://people.tribe.net/2e0a4c30-b134-49f8-ba74-0990f36b0a5f/photos/dfdf3383-b648-4c9d-9c89-6362dfefdb5a

In Numerology,

Dyslexic = 11
Dyspraxic = 11
Special Ed = 11
Special= 11

I was in special education for my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic issues,and it helped correct a lot of the weaknesses of those conditions and gave me the ability to compensate by utilizing my strengths.


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posted October 26, 2006 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maire31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most definitely!

You see, I have personal experience with many things you speak about which is why I don't label such things as "disabilities". They're merely "differences" in this left-brain oriented world.

People with learning style differences often have less support in many situations and still demonstrate an amazing resilience and tenacity in terms of their coping skills, which you point out. This is what I mean when I say "in spite of".

The up-side is one can often see/imagine/intuit/construct a whole lot more than a typical person might, so in another sense it's a definite advantage.

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posted October 26, 2006 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Maire,

I agree. great points.

Something dawned about me. It's something else. It was about numerology.

Soulmate = 7
That makes me think that maybe look at the 7th harmonic aspects in synastry would be a good idea. Looking at 7th house makes interesting sense for looking at soulmate

Partner = 92/11
92 See 11, "The Master Numbers." This number brings great concern for mankind.
The 11 is the most intuitive of all numbers. It represents illumination; a channel to the subconscious; insight without rational thought; and sensitivity, nervous energy, shyness, and impracticality. It is a dreamer. The 11 has all the aspects of the 2, enhanced and charged with charisma, leadership, and inspiration. It is a number with inborn duality, which creates dynamism, inner conflict, and other catalyses with its mere presence. It is a number that, when not focused on some goal beyond itself, can be turned inward to create fears and phobias. The 11 walks the edge between greatness and self-destruction. Its potential for growth, stability, and personal power lies in its acceptance of intuitive understanding, and of spiritual truths. For the 11, such peace is not found so much in logic, but in faith. It is the psychic's number.

Makes me wonder if looking at 11th harmonic in synastry would be a good idea. I feel that having a successful lifelong partnership requires a strong spiritual connection,intuitive,psychic connection,and it can be very spiritual. For the most part,partnerships can be very challenging but have great potential just like the master number,11.
Partnerships can make or break people.
11 is a higher version of 2 which is number of relationships,cooperation,sensitivity.

Spouse = 14/5
14 See "The Karmic Debt Numbers." A wild streak. Need for change and adventure can destroy carefully planned progress. Lack of focus and commitment. This Karmic Debt number can get you in trouble. Guard against self-indulgence.
14

The 14 Karmic Debt arises from previous lifetimes during which human freedom has been abused. Those with a 14 Karmic Debt are forced to adapt to ever-changing circumstances and unexpected occurrences. There is an acute danger of falling victim to abuse of drugs, alcohol, and overindulgence in sensual pleasures, such as food and sex. You must put the reins on yourself. Modesty in all affairs is crucial to overcoming this Karmic Debt.

Also important is the need to maintain order in life, and to establish one's own emotional stability. you must also be willing to adapt to the unexpected occurrences of life, all the while maintaining your focus on your goals and dreams. Flexibility and adaptability are at the very core of this struggle.
Orderliness in one's immediate environment is crucial to maintaining clarity and focus. Mental and emotional stability must be attained in order to avoid being thrown about by the changing fortunes in the external environment.

But the key to the 14 Karmic Debt is commitment. Life will resemble a roller coaster ride, but it will always travel in the right direction if one's heart is set on what is true and good. Set yourself a high goal, maintain order wherever possible in your life, avoid excessive sensory indulgence, and maintain faith. Above all, do not give up on your dreams and goals.
Those with the 14 Karmic Debt will experience life to the fullest, and as long as they maintain a high dream, they will achieve success and great spiritual development.


Spouse has a karmic vibration with a nature essence of freedom(there is a lot of problems with spouses cheating and the divorce rate is high) but the key is commitment and that's the essense of marriage.

It also makes me wonder if looking at 5th harmonic aspects in synastry is a good idea.

Marriage - 72/9

Well..I'11 Be! Looking at the 9th harmonic aspects in synastry make sense
72 See 27. It tends to be an excellent conversationalist and it is usually a voracious reader.
27 It is a counselor, a volunteer, and an artist, and is often successful. It represents inheritance. It is sometimes rigid and narrow-minded.

Makes sense.....having excellent conversations with your marriage partner can keep a relationship strong. Communications is so important. Marriage partners can be like counselors because they should be able to turn to each other for advice and insight. Many marriage partners go see counselors for marriage difficulties. Marriage partners should be able to give a hand in a selfless manner,and so I agree with volunteer. As far as rigid and narrowminded,well..a lot of couples disagree with each other and have their opinions about things. The inheritance stuff makes sense. If the marriage partner dies,the widow/er inherits the deceased marriage partner's assets. 8th house is 2nd house from the 7th,and it is a the house of inheritance...it's mainly the house of shared resources which includes other people's money...especially the partner's money.

I love Numerology!


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