posted June 18, 2005 08:59 PM              

Oh you know what? I'm not very experienced with these charts. I don't what planets are in what houses...

So astro.com isn't correct? I just checked and it says Day Light Savings Time is automatic. Is GMT the same thing?

Sorry if I sound dumb.

posted June 19, 2005 10:53 PM              

edit.

Hm....still wondering which rising sign is the correct one.

posted June 20, 2005 11:15 AM              

i'm just about to do another chart .. but it be the stated time zone ..
the info i have is that anchorage be 09.59 hours pre GMT ( yours sais 8 hour west ..
i take that to mean west of GMT ? ) .. then there is the daylight saving .. is it 1 hour
.. 2 hours .. in anchorage ?? ... its the extreme northern position that makes the houses
look so 'spaced' apart .. well some of them ..
anyhow maybe there is a web site with the daylight saving info for anchorage in may 88.
.. i shall take a look ..

posted June 20, 2005 02:23 PM              

from another post
**But don't the house systems change your rising sign too?**
.. i don't think so .. i rekon the asc. be the starting point from which
the houses are worked out .. not 100% sure .. but i have info on how to
calculate a chart from scratch .. i.e. no computer ..
be a matter of finding the info ..

re other post
**Did you say you were a Taurus with Mercury in Taurus too? I think i saw somewhere.**
yep .. 1 track mind .. slow but thorough ...

Gem moon/mars/jup .. can play a bit of havoc .. re the occasional sarcasm ;-))
almost an angel .. noticed that ..
often in 2 minds how to answer a post .. with serious intent ..
.. or with a bit 'o cheekiness ;-)
canscer asc may add to that ...

will try these for calculating your chart ..
'n see what happens

.. daylight saving ... dates ... time zones ...
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/bst.htm

posted June 20, 2005 08:48 PM              

.. i've done a chart that matches your
neptune opposite asc aspect .. turned out to be
one of the times i originaly came up with... i.e 16:22 GMT ...
.. so does asc. cancer 7.12 match up to your data??
( mine be 6.31 cancer .. Mars currently square to it )

anyhow .. regardless of birthtime .. u have 2 major
ongoing transits to your 'personal' planets .. i'e' long term types ...

tPluto opposing natal Venus / Chiron .. square the nodes

tNeptune conjunct natal Mars / semisquare to natal Saturn

btw: did you do your chart at astro.com ??

.. i've also lost track of what this chart wuz for ...
.. something about oppositions ..
maybe research the opposition aspect
..... although i guess you may have done

posted June 20, 2005 09:57 PM            

I just wanted to say "hello" to you,
and that I can sympathize, and to some extent empathize, with your plight.

I'm a Scorpio Sun, Aqua Moon, Cap rising.
11/06/1978 11:38 am Boston, MA

My Sun and Venus are Conjunct Uranus, so, I know a thing or two about what it means to feel like an outsider, and to simultaneously encourage and discourage social interactions.

That Moon is in the 1st, which is kinda like a Cancer asc, but mostly, it just makes me moody as a loon (my personality, my sense of self changes as frequently as my moods, and everybody BUT me seems to know exactly who I am). Maybe you can relate.

Your chart is (you are) really fascinating...

I'm no expert, but I'm thinking your difficulty with others can be traced to Saturn (fear) in the 7th (close relationships), the 12th house loner tendency, and that Venus/Chiron conjunction; Venus is relationships, Chiron is the "wounded healer". Along with the Cancer Asc (if a Cancer asc it truly be), it's likely to make you receptive as hell. Bear in mind that a lot of your "issues" could very well be things you have absorbed from others, and not actual aspects of your own personality.

That, in addition to your Scorp Moon, your Neptune trine to the Jupiter/Sun, and that heavy 12th house, is enough to make you seriously psychic, but probably you already knew that. I dont know whether or not to envy you your situation, but, for what its worth, I certainly do admire anyone who feels things even a fraction as intensely as you do.

HD is right about that Jupiter/Sun Conjunction - thats as good an aspect as you can get - it will offset almost any and all negative (or seemingly negative) placements in your chart.

Be sure not to concentrate too much on any potential difficulties in yourself or your chart - that's only likely to magnify them in your life. Of course, you want to be mindful of these things ("The devil you know is better than the devil you dont know"), but be sure to keep your strengths in mind at the same time.

With the strong Scorp influence, you're bound to be intrigued by the darker aspects of existence (believe me, I know), but bear in mind that "When you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you" - you are far more sensitive and probably more easily influenced than most, so it is advisable to accustom yourself early to the appreciation of beautiful things - and, by "beautiful" I mean light, fluffy, hearts, unicorns, faeries, angels, that sort of stuff.

I dont know what kind of music you are into. I grew up feeding myself Nirvana, and, as much as I love and understand it, it persistently glorifies "the art of self-destruction". I've been obsessing about suicide since I was 14, and, although I recognize the fact that this kind of music just corresponded to something already present in my psychological (or karmic) make-up, I have chosen not to tap into that tendency any more than I already have. If I may be so bold, I strongly suggest you accustom yourself to looking on the bright side as soon and as much as possible - the darkside will take care of itself.

'K, I'll shut up now.

Pleased to meet you,
Love and Light,
HSC

posted June 21, 2005 11:02 AM              

House Systems .... ( from book )

There are several systems for dividing the birthchart int houses. Astrologers still argue about which is the most accurate .. and the astronomical arguments for prefering one to another are extremely complicated. The two most commonly used in the UK and USA are the Equal House and Placidius House systems.
The Equal system is the simplest to operate since it divides the zodiac into houses of exactly 30 degrees .. starting from the degree of the ascendant. However it also alows the MC/IC axis ( midheaven / descendant ) .. to 'float' anywhere between the 8th / 2nd and 11th / 5th houses. Critics point out that given their signifigance as Angles .. the MC and IC should always mark the cusps of the 10th and 4th house respectively .
The Placidius system answers this criticism .. but in doing so raises another problem. Because it works out the house divisions according to the observed movement of the heavens .. calculations for latitudes near the Poles causes some houses to grow exceptionally large .. while others can disappear altogether .. and even where it does work the Placidius system creates houses of unequal size .. allowing planets to fall in houses different to those calculated using the Equal system ..
.. the only answer is to spend some time experimenting with both systems ..

added note ; can't find info at present .. but there is evedently a difference between houses
that start at the Ascendant .. and houses that start at the Sun position ( in the case when birthtimes are unknown ) .. in that one represents the 'inner' effect of the various transits and progressions .. and the other represents external effects ..
mmmm .. which is which .. i canna remember ..

this link will lead to pics of your chart ..( done according to astro.com time calculations )
showing different house systems ...
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/tshs.html

posted June 21, 2005 12:54 PM              

TSCORP ... just remember'd something ....

if your Asc. is correct .. you currently have a Mars square to Asc. transit on ..
.. lasts maybe 2 days at its strongest .. you may be able to feel said transit as being a bit on edge
.. like maybe u could flash over if provoked .. ( it would be an indicator that the Asc position in your chart is correct ) .. there is also a brief opposition to your Venus from the transiting moon .. that usualy lasts
a couple of hours ..

just noticed you have a transiting Saturn Trine your natal Mercury .... that should be a helpful influence for sorting the chaff from the wheat .... 'n such .. learning stuff .. studying .. trying out a new art/hobby ..
get yer paint brushes out ..

posted June 21, 2005 07:13 PM              

"Mars square to Asc."
I'm not sure if i've been experiencing anything different: sadness, etc...actually because i always feel that way..i mean not sad all the time but..i don't know. very moody. lol serious most of the time and nervous, out of place.

Saturn Trine your natal Mercury-i don't really have the time yet to paint but i will be moving soon. I hope this transit lasts long enough...

I don't what to do with the sites you gave me on the time zones...its so confusing. lol
But yes i did my chart on astro.com

tPluto opposing natal Venus / Chiron .. square the nodes
tNeptune conjunct natal Mars / semisquare to natal Saturn
-i will have to do some research on this.
Transits are new to me.

**.. so does asc. cancer 7.12 match up to your data??** O.....i am so clueless..i have no idea where i am supposed to compared this to.

I think before asking about transits i need to know more about them first...lol i'll have to work on that.

posted June 21, 2005 08:20 PM              

My Chart.
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Cancer 13°15'47 08 direct
Moon Capricorn 05°51'34 02 direct
Mercury Gemini 23°44'10 07 direct
Venus Gemini 12°00'15 07 direct
Mars Libra 15°02'29 11 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 00°31'45 11 direct
Saturn Libra 15°44'36 11 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 01°04'00 12/1 retrograde
Uranus is technically near the end of house 12 and is interpreted in house 1.
Neptune Sagittarius 25°10'52 01 retrograde
Pluto Libra 24°06'58 11 stationary (D)
True Node Cancer 13°20'49 08 direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 03°43'17
2nd House Capricorn 02°07'23
3rd House Aquarius 01°10'33
Imum Coeli Pisces 02°11'59
5th House Aries 04°29'14
6th House Taurus 05°27'29
Descendant Gemini 03°43'17
8th House Cancer 02°07'23
9th House Leo 01°10'33
Medium Coeli Virgo 02°11'59
11th House Libra 04°29'14
12th House Scorpio 05°27'29

Major aspects
Sun Opposition Moon 7°24
Sun Square Mars 1°47
Sun Square Saturn 2°29
Moon Sextile Jupiter 5°20
Mercury Opposition Neptune 1°27
Mercury Trine Pluto 0°23
Venus Trine Mars 3°02
Venus Trine Saturn 3°44
Mars Conjunction Saturn 0°42
Jupiter Sextile Neptune 5°21
Uranus Conjunction Ascendant 2°39
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°04

Please scrutinise.

posted June 21, 2005 08:38 PM              

... .. .. read what u wrote .. food for thought ..
will explain the transit stuff .. 'n try and get accross the value
of following one's own transits ... it's weird cause lots of what u say
reminds me ... of me .. .. it's the nervousness around other people
and the desire to get away from the vibes etc ..

will try 'n take a proper look at your chart and re-read thread from begining
.. i should be able to get some astro info accross to u .. just a theory .. as
in synastry ( static inter aspects between charts ) .. my natal mercury be
cojunct your natal sun/jupiter to within half a degree ..

so will get back to you on the chart stuff ...
the time zone pics confuse me to bits .. actualy ..
.. rekon u can depend on the astro.com lot to get it right ..

.. what i asked about the asc deg .. wll looking at your astro.com chart
.. it be the same Asc degrees ( as in the zodiac wheel be divided into
12 signs .. each be 30 degres of circle .. circle be 360 deg .. so 7.23
cancer means the point be at 7 degrees and 23 minutes into the sign of cancer
.. minutes being a subdivision of degrees .. 60 minutes to the degree )

good info from Heart Shaped C .. .. i rekon another plus be your
taur sun/merc placements ... read potentialy strong mind and endowed
.. or should be .. with common sense .. one taur to another .. not advisable
to take the persuit of pleasure to excess .. make moderation a byeword ..
but DO have fun ...

'n don't get worried about what might be ... via transits n stuff ..
it don't a person no good ...

... in the meanwhile .. have some music .. they are about 3 to 4 meg each

current trax on HD server ..

cw/bluegrass flavour

Willie Nelson 'n Waylon Jennings .. 'good hearted woman' http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/goodhw.mp3

commander cody .. 'hot rod lincoln' ... http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/hrlncn.mp3

jerry douglas plays 'hey joe' on dobro and mandolin .. http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/jdhyjo.mp3

posted June 22, 2005 12:51 PM            

Yeah, I think the psychic stuff will develop over time... I can seriously relate to a few things you said here. I've been diagnosed with "social anxiety", a high-flown word which basically means that I too tend to absorb people's vibes indiscriminately, especially their fears and insecurities. There are all sorts of things, - exercises, prayers, affirmations, visualizations, gemstones, acupuncture, reiki, living near or visiting large bodies of water, a diet full of fruits and vegetables; just to name a few - that can help to release tension and establish healthy boundaries (Just based on my own experiences, I would discourage western medicine). Have hope and find something that works for you.

My Chiron is in the 3rd ((square Jupiter!)), similar to your Chiron in Gemini. I know all about intellectual over-estimations and consequent insecurities. Along with the Jup/Sun, you are bound to think pretty highly of yourself, and, in many respects, you will have very good reason to. Don't hesitate to expose yourself to the larger world. You will find there are plenty of people, living and dead, who far surpass you intellectually and in various ways, but, of a truth, nobody, living or dead, could ever be better at being YOU! You are an absolutely unique concatenation of qualities and experiences. You have a lifetime to figure out who YOU are, and you will love what you find, so long as you dont get hung up on wanting to be somebody else.

So, yeah, expose yourself... You will be challenged, and your talents, gifts, skills, will be sharpened and given opportunities to express themselves. Remember, the greatest virtues are often found side by side with the greatest vices in people, and "great [people] make great mistakes." (Nietzsche)

Like, I have a lot of good stuff to say to you, but I'm all over the place, pretty self-absorbed, and clueless to a lot things that may be quite obvious to you, as you'll come to see. So what?! That's why we need eachother. The world is my blind-spot. Dont be afraid to tell me when I make an ass of myself, and i'll be sure to return the favor.

Ok, so, as a Taurus, there is a lot more to you than meets the eye, and you can potentially be constantly surprised at what you can bring forth from within you, so long as you dont become complacent - you may think "I know I am awesome, I dont have to prove it." And, sure, there's nothing to prove, or disprove, but its good to play the game of life - not caring sucks, in the long run.

The whole pride/humility thing is a serious head-trip. Good luck with that, lol! I would say dont take it too seriously. I've been there. I like to quote myself - here's one: "Humility works hard to satisfy its pride." (Of course, this is not true humility, but that's the point!) I think a lot about "Grace and Works" - the notion that God, or Spirit, performs all actions, and we are just vessels, if anything, VS. the notion of personal responsibility. I think, when we reach a certain point of maturity, we step out of the way and let life happen through us, so to speak. I mean, we automatically take responsibility. Gandhi said, the rose communicates its scent effortlessly, and any effort to help this process out just scatters it. (Again, if the scent can be "scattered", that is just evidence of the impotency of the scent. We really dont DO anything.)

here's a poem I wrote (YAY ME!),
which I'm only posting because I think you might like it:

Empathy For The Devil

Kurt Cobain, you're so vain. -
Humble to a fault.
Don't you see the irony?;
Humility exalts.

Such pride demands disparity,
And you,
Identified with to your shame,
Ambitious for some elite obscurity,-
How bitter was your sudden fame?;

How steep, descent from such a height -
I know you wanted to be Rilke, -
When, o'ershadowed by very light,
An angel of another ilk?

Poor Kurt Cobain, profoundly vain,
Martyring yourself. -
We watched you give it all away,
To beg for something else.

posted June 22, 2005 01:00 PM            

Where was I...

Bubbles. They are not YOU. You are not YOU. Any idea you form about yourself is a limiting one. Ultimately, You are one with the Infinite. No big deal. Very big deal.

When you are calm, patient, collected, everything just works naturally, so concentrate on finding your center, or, rather, dont concentrate on all that is not your center - i.e. everything. Just breathe. Notice when you are just begining to get overwhelmed, take a step back, take a deep breath. That right there will solve most problems before they get out of hand.

I like Dostoevski, - have you read the Brothers Karamazov (My favorite!!!!!!!!)? Now there is a writer, a thinker, a Scorpio!, who concerned himself almost exclusively with the matter of pride and humility. His novels are full of over-the-top (there is nothing larger than life) scenerios of prim and proud society ladies struck by revelations of TRUTH and crumbling at the feet of ragged, modest prostitutes.
Gotta love it.

I just feel like repeating this thing about how you can always find someone to look up to - and make yourself feel small, - and you can always find someone to look down on - and make yourself feel big, - but if you merge with everything, embracing yourself for who you are, embracing others for who they are, and then forgeting that there even is a you and an I; knowing that we are all ultimately just members of another body, and we'll all be dead soon anyway, then, hey, just have fun with it! Life is this great play and we forget we are just actors - life involves you, you get into the part you are destined to play, and thats what makes it so refreshing to detach.

"And though my heart will break,
there's more that I can take,
and I could never let it be."
- Weezer

Okay, so, like, (gotta say everything I think I know), when you reach out, when you seem insecure, impressionable, needful of guidance, people are gonna inundate you with advice of all kinds, contradicting each other left and right, - and everybody thinks they know whats up, even if they think they dont; they think not thinking they know whats up is whats up, lol! Just filter it all through yourself, dont stress over something that doesn't fit right away - nothing is absolute, no truth is "one size fits all" - just find what sounds true to you (you will know it when you hear it), and dont be afraid to change your mind when the time comes; one truth will serve you today, and the opposite of that will serve you tomorrow (or two seconds from now).

*sometimes i feel that i make such a big deal out of my past experiences and feel selfish when others had gone through much more than I have.*

There's nothing wrong with you. In time, you will learn to focus on the good things, and be grateful for what you have; arms, legs, etc. (I'm assuming). Most people shouldn't be expected to understand this, but, PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. Some people can go through a war, and not be too deeply changed. To some others, a cool breeze can feel like a face full of shrapnel.

One Cancerian writer (Pearl Buck) said something to the point:

"The truly creative mind in any field is no more than this:

A human creature born abnormally, inhumanly sensitive.

To him... a touch is a blow,
a sound is a noise,
a misfortune is a tragedy,
a joy is an ecstasy,
a friend is a lover,
a lover is a god,
and failure is death."

I found this quote on an interesting site:
http://healing.about.com/od/empathic/a/HSP_hallowes.htm

Remember, your emotions are powerful and they will try to convince you of their solidity and permanence, but they are merely ephemeral. The only thing holding you back is fear, and when you can remember not to let it hypnotize you, it has no power. Be open to love, - jump up and down, spin around, dance, no matter how badly you want to sulkand be serious, - and joyful love will find you, even in the midst of the deepest despair.

posted June 22, 2005 01:08 PM            

ENANTIODROMIA -

The complimentarity of opposites.

posted June 22, 2005 01:33 PM            

You can probably relate to a lot of the stuff I just wrote to TS.

I'm really not qualified to comment on your chart, but I would be willing to wager a guess that, having your Sun conjunct the NN suggests you will be A LOT happier, and more comfortable in your proverbial skin, as you mature. The latter part of life may be a lot better than the former.

take care,
HSC

posted June 22, 2005 02:34 PM              

and peaches, if you have sun conjunct the NN that means you were born near the time of a solar or lunar eclipse.

"Astrology aspects - Sun conjunct North Node: This conjunction indicates birth near the time of a solar or lunar eclipse. It also shows that this is a major event in the natural world, which causes major events and sets of circumstances in the natives' world and provides them greater scope for their self-expression as well as opportunities for expansion of their power and leadership potential. The conjunction suggests an inherited karmic tendency toward good luck as a result of previous use of the life energies for the benefit of the individual's larger environment. When carried too far, however, this influence can dissipate the individual's energies, causing exhaustion and a depletion of the life force."

posted June 22, 2005 10:09 PM              

Chrissymgreen, thanks for letting me know about that, i had no idea.

Happy Dragon,

I just checked my astro.com chart and it says
Ascendant Cancer 07¡Æ11'49, but this is from Placidus. So i guess i should put off getting into transits. And i didn't think it would do me good either...it'll probably just make me feel bad about myself.
Thank you for the music again. You are very generous.

Peaches, I will try to look over your chart. I have never scrutinized other peoples chart so i don't much about placements other than mine ( ). But i will look over it and get back to ya. But your house placemnts tell me that you are very emotional yourself.

I don't feel as alone anymore knowing that all of you have felt the things i'm feeling now. I guess everyone goes through these things some point in their lives.

posted June 23, 2005 12:35 PM            

That is so kind of you to say.
I know that I cannot begin to fathom your pain, and I just hope that my "easy answers" aren't making matters worse, just filling you with a sick and desperate laughter.
Yours is a deep, a rich, and profound soul, and I hope these words I throw out are not entirely without merit.
I wish you love, knowing that I am not the soul to give it, or even point the way without a shaky, fearful hand.
I do not know by experience, but I have heard, and I begin to believe, that there is an infinite well of love within you, waiting for the moment when you are ready to receive it. When you scream "mercy!", and decide that you have punished yourself quite enough. I will tell you what someone told me once. I dont know if it is a fact, but I feel that it is a truth.

"You feel that you misused your power in a former life, many lifetimes ago. Thinking you had to punish yourself, you chose to incarnate into many lifetimes of unimaginable suffering. But your soul was young then. You are ready now to take possession of your power. You will not misuse it. Your karmic debts are paid. Rather, a debt is owed to you. Accept this love and forgiveness. You are worthy. You deserve it. Now shut up and give you a hug!"

You might enjoy this:
http://rivertext.com/weil3a.html