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Topic: Beware of the current Heartbreak Clash in the sky!
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sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 10:59 AM
 
Hold on to your relationships this month, because things could get VERY rocky as there is a Saturn-Chiron Heartbreak Clash in the skies. I got this from the Magi Astrology website (http://www.magiastrology.com/):
"The first few days of July are pretty good so pay all your bills, etc. during those days. The rest of July is devoid of good days, in part because there is a Saturn/Chiron opposition in the geocentric sky. This geocentric Heartbreak Opposition begins to get really bad July 14. Fortunately it peaks quickly on July 20, but the days continue to be highly turbulent until July 26. The good news is that after July, there will not be any more Heartbreak Clashes for a while."
(a Clash being defined by the Magi as a Square and Opposition. And the Quincunx and Contra-Parallel only being negative if Saturn is involved)
Here is some of what the Magi peeps have to say (courtesy of their book 'The Key to Success in Love & Money') regarding what a Saturn-Chiron Heartbreak Clash in the sky means:
"Also called a Marriage Breaker, one of the worst aspects to natalize into any Wedding Chart (or any chart). It signifies destruction of families and relationships of all kinds. But in other ways it works like the (Saturn-Chiron) enhancement in that affairs started under this aspect break up existing marriages or other relationships. This is the worst aspect time to first meet your prospective in-laws."
...I can personally vouch that there is something to this. When I got my heart severly broken last year, there was a Saturn-Chiron Clash in the skies. (an opposition just like the current one) And it's not like I had known ahead of time about that Heartbreak Clash & had psyched myself out about it and tripped myself up regarding my relationship. I didn't even KNOW about it until after the fact. And the previous time that I had my heart broken, I was unknowingly having a Heartbreak transit as Saturn was squaring my natal Chiron.
...So yes there is DEFINITELY something to it.  IP: Logged |
Tranquil Poet
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posted July 05, 2005 11:03 AM
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26taurus
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posted July 05, 2005 11:06 AM
Thanks for the info. Right now I have transiting Pluto opposite my natal Venus (looong transit) and that's doing a number on me as well.  When did the Saturn-Chiron Clash that you spoke of that happened last year, happen?
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Azalaksh
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posted July 05, 2005 11:09 AM
Hey thanks sassy for this timely and fascinating Heads Up! Just starting to learn about the Magi stuff myself, so tips like this are much appreciated. Do you have their software?'Zala IP: Logged |
Mama Mia
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posted July 05, 2005 11:29 AM
Oh one day I was playing around on the net and stumble across a site that was talking about the Heartbreak transit. It was quite interesting.. Actually it talked about Michael Jordan and his wife when they were going to get that divorce that time. He apparently was going through a heartbreak trasit at the time,but somehow reversed it.. It was a deep article and really had me thinking.. IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 11:35 AM
26t ~ That Hearbreak Clash was in August of last year, with my heart getting broken specifically on August 27. On that day Saturn was in Cancer at 22.55 degrees and opposing Chiron which was in Capricorn at 21.04 degrees. Azalaksh ~ No, unfortunately I do not have their software. But I do have their book (the one that I quoted from earlier) which I personally recommend. IP: Logged |
Mama Mia
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posted July 05, 2005 11:43 AM
Well I went through that too just this year. Where can I find out when the heartbreak transits exsits and when is the next one after this one? I will be okay this time around cause I am not in a relationship, and too also Saturn is sitting in the 5th house of my tru love BUT will be be moving along on the 16th of July. I will be happy cause it has been a lil ruff.. IP: Logged |
Taurus80
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posted July 05, 2005 11:50 AM
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sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 12:01 PM
Here is an astrology Ephemeral website that is very helpful for finding out the positions of planets for any time: http://ephemeral.info/oldeph/ ...And oh btw the Magi peeps are also big on using the Declinations too. So there are also Hearbreak Clashes that shows up in the Declinations as well as in the Longitudes.  IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Thanks sassy. Interesting timing. I'm sorry to hear about your heartbreak. The best is yet to come.  IP: Logged |
whiterabbit
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posted July 05, 2005 12:12 PM
oh my! NOT what we need right now.
And um.. I've got Saturn opposed to Chiron natally..um..I hope I'm just being silly in thinking I'm eternally doomed for heartbreak. Still, can't be a great aspect..IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 12:16 PM
Thanks 26t That crappy heartbreak I suffered last year in fact occurred with Mr. Aries, and I've been trying to get things straightened out between us ever since. Our current status seems to be OK...well mostly OK anyway. :P And we have had some wonderful moments these past few months. (online that is, as we both currently live in different states) But just to be on the safe side THIS time around and to avoid all the hard work I've done trying to get things good between us again, I'm gonna lie low from Mr. Aries until the Hearbreak Clash passes.  IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 12:27 PM
...And I forgot to mention that the Magi astrologers believe that only an orb up to 3 degrees is valid for the planets in the Longitudes and for the Declinations an allowable orb is valid up to 1.10 degrees. IP: Logged |
Neptune's Muse
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posted July 05, 2005 01:23 PM
Thanks a lot! A question though, is it only valid if the transit is transiting saturn opposite transiting Chiron, or for example, transiting Saturn opposite your natal chiron, or transiting chiron opposite your natal saturn?Or, worse, it works in all 3 probablities?! ....hmmm IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 01:33 PM
hi Neptune's Muse From what I understand, it's valid when: 1) transiting Saturn is opposing, squaring, quincunxing or contra-parallel to transiting Chiron. 2) transiting Saturn is opposing, squaring, quincunxing or contra-parallel to natal Chiron. IP: Logged |
gemini girl
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posted July 05, 2005 01:38 PM
guys this has been bothering me quite a bit since its my natal aspects and meaning i cant get involved with any guy my age i dunno if i should post a different topic but is it possible for my relationship to last i met the guy on 16 june and we r going out since the 3rd of july im aware of this transit since april but i didnt want to wait that longIP: Logged |
Neptune's Muse
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posted July 05, 2005 02:05 PM
That's not good at all...so is it a threat to existing relationships, or does it also mention that it is like one of those transits where you are not advised to begin a relationship, because I read somewhere that your relationship takes the theme/mood of the transits you entered it while they were happening. For example, you are not advised to begin something when the moon is void of course, etc.You are right, I just did a check on the date of a major heartbreak and it was CLASH, quincunx. So I am guessing, if you started a relationship with a HEARTBREAK clash, then...the conclusion would be stating the obvious here...! I don't like this at all. IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 02:22 PM
gemini girl ~ According to the Magi website, this transit just came into affect today and July 3 was actually a more favorable day. Neptune's Muse ~ the Heartbreak Clash can potentially be bad for existing relationships. Of course not all relationships are going to break up at this time. But the possiblity is there for relationships to possibly go awry. Just being aware of the Clash in the sky can make us alert to problems in that area. And to meet someone for the first time, start a relationship or get engaged or married during a Heartbreak Clash is especially bad. Looking at the examples on the Magi website and in their book of celebrity marriages that began during a Heartbreak Clash, it is amazing at how many of them eventually failed. Just two of the many examples they cited of celebrities who married on Heartbreak Clash days were Tom Cruise with BOTH of his former wives, and Kim Basinger & Alec Baldwin. Here is a link that goes into detail about that: http://www.magiastrology.com/cruisebaldwin.html IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted July 05, 2005 03:51 PM
**Magi astrologers believe that only an orb up to 3 degrees is valid for the planets in the Longitudes**
.. hey GeminiGirl .. your free of it .. well ok Sat/Chiron in yours be 4 degrees .. just tried to work out when those 2 were in orb for the 'clash' .. but couldn't do it without megga hassle .. but one date came out .. may 9th '87 .... so magi'strology strikes the dragon down .. huh .. as in Saturn/Chiron square -0.56 .. both eff'ing retrograde .. makes sense .. hey 'heartbreak' does have it's 'up' side .. think .. ponder .. ponder some more .. ummmm .. just thinkin' of all the great blues songs i may have never listened to .. the weeping guitars that may have just passed by .. the lessons learnt .. the observations made .. the blood red roses against greystone .. 2003 starting to make a bit more sense now .. guess i'll just trundle off 'n check out this magi stuff .. 'n cheers for the info Sassy   IP: Logged |
virgotaurustaurus
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posted July 05, 2005 06:00 PM
I am actually relieved about this, basically because everything in my life has been total crap for awhile now, and if everyone else is miserable I'll just feel better about being miserable myself.  All of July is going to suck for me because I'm forced to stay stuck in a rut from hell until August 5th. IP: Logged |
Moonfairy333
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posted July 05, 2005 06:06 PM
Geesh! I knew something was up...ugh! I have had Saturn in my relationship house the past two years so I was really hoping that since it's getting out of Cancer soon July 16th ish that would help things...grr...of course, it will take time to take effect...I am wondering if I was married during one of these...hmmm....off to do some homework LOL. IP: Logged |
sassygrrrl
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posted July 05, 2005 06:11 PM
aww *Hugs* vtt. I hope things start looking up for you soon.  Happy Dragon ~ I'm glad to oblige
...btw cute bull pic! Are you a Taurus by any chance? IP: Logged |
Tranquil Poet
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posted July 05, 2005 06:25 PM
f*** Saturn.------------------
Gemini sun, Cancer rising, Taurus moon
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A woman's head is always influenced by heart; but a man's heart by his head.
-Lady Marguerite Blessington IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted July 05, 2005 06:44 PM
thanks a lot for that info sassy, I stopped following ANY of my transits a while back, when the Aqua n me thing ended. Not because I was too bitter but because I felt powerless and for a scorp moon/saturn/pluto, nPluto in 1st house person thats like a curse But i will venture to ask, is there any upcoming transits that would sort of make my love life more clear, there are currently 3 men actively pursuing me and 2 others in the shadows waiting for the opportunity to jump out, I can see from their signals. I just wanna know if the situation will clear...Im really sort of confused between two men in particular, although I AM with my Aries right now but confused about whether to stay in this relationship or go, although we do love each other, its quite apparent. But as we all know there are several things that must be in proper working order for a relationship to work...love doesnt fix everything regardless of what anyone may believe...didnt in my case at least... just need to know if Ill have to make a decision and when this would be clearing up. If anyones willing to look into it I would be much grateful  Love
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Battle of Evermore
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posted July 05, 2005 08:11 PM
crap....
I don't need any more of this...IP: Logged |
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