posted July 17, 2005 07:55 AM              

-Obsession
-Mind games
-Control / power games
-Sado-masochism
-Depression
-Self destruction

I need your insights on this.I guess all of this will have something related to the 8th house or pluto or neptune but i don't know how to find it out exactly in a chart??

posted July 17, 2005 09:07 AM              

For depression, I read that Square aspects between Saturn and Venus and/or Moon are challenging to feeling "happy". The person can never get that euphoric feeling no matter what -- according to an article I read.

Obsessions, control and power games are always related to Pluto, and since they have to do with thinking and the mind (Mercury) then I presume Mercury Pluto aspects.

Sadism is related to Mars, so look for aspects of Mars. I don't know about Sadomaschism and the rest.

I hope it helps and good luck finding what you are looking for.

posted July 17, 2005 12:15 PM              

Are you Scorpio influenced? I'm curious as to why Scorps do those things? Also how do you get a Scorpio rising woman to forgive? Is it even possible..?

I am currently being "battered" by a Scorpio Rising womans sting....Mind Games for 2 years! (the obsession bit).and mind games with silent treatment i.e. she wont talk to me

I've said sorry 100 times but she cannot seem to let it go....I dont think i could be ****** off with someone for 2 years!

what is wrong with her?!?!?

her sun is libra
venus sag
moon pisces
mercury scorpio

its like she wont let me forget..

posted July 17, 2005 12:23 PM            

I am Libra Sun, Pisces Moon, Merc in Scorp. It is entirely possible for these placements to be expressed in positive or negative fashion. For myself, it takes too much energy to hold a grudge. If I can't forgive, I can still get past it and let go. You've got a Scorpion in your life, rather than an Eagle. As for "getting someone to forgive", well, that only comes from the inside, not outside influences.....

How do you react to the battering by the stinger? Have you told her flat out to knock it off, that you're not going to take it anymore?

posted July 17, 2005 06:43 PM            

as an extremely scorpio influenced woman (sun,venus,pluto,merc,ceres in scorpio and ASC conjunct sun, pluto, and ceres with ALL in the 1st house), i can only give yo this much advice to remember...

don't count on her forgetting, because she never will. i know when it comes to me, ive been and still am ****** off at people for a personal record of 11.5 years. grudges are just one of those things that comes naturally for me, but what helps me get over them is a deep and new founded understanding and trust. like sitting down and talking it out, gradually starting over pretty much. if you show me that you're committed enough to try then you've got my forgiveness, but i would still not hesitate to remind you once in a while that you have messed up, and that i can call you on it when i want.

posted July 18, 2005 05:13 AM              

i also have a pluto conjunct mercury/jupiter and saturn.

As for your query, i agree with AZALAKSH:
''. As for "getting someone to forgive", well, that only comes from the inside, not outside influences.....''

Also i agree with ANABELLE.she should feel that you are really sorry not through your words but through your actions .so if you show her through your gestures and actions that you have really changed then i guess she will understand...
Otherwise it is difficult to make a scorpio forget even when they forgive.
All the best to you with this lady .hope she understands...

posted July 18, 2005 05:21 AM              

I searched the net and found out the details of the aspects you suggested .Yes, pluto aspects indicate mind games /control/obsession.I have 3 of them (pluto conjunct merc/jup/sat.)
I also have that saturn square moon aspect!
I also found out that an afflicted merc also points to this direction.My partner too has such placements!!

posted July 18, 2005 09:51 AM              

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i know when it comes to me, ive been and still am ****** off at people for a personal record of 11.5 years. grudges are just one of those things that comes naturally for me

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u sound so much like me , ab !