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thirteen
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posted July 27, 2005 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im looking for tips that might help. My brother is in rehab recently for cocaine abuse. ( My other aqua. brother is much much worse, i won't go there!)
Anyway he has done it before but for the first time I hear things from him that lead me to beleive he may be serious this time. I want to help. How or what can I say to this pig headed taurus to help. I don't want to get in the way of his recovery. My awareness level is so much higher than his and I don't know what to say or do. We talked last night about our upbringing and I notice he is so loyal to my mother, he can't see her shortcomings. I am not that tolerant of her but yet I accept her, don't hate her anymore like I used to.

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Mama Mia
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posted July 27, 2005 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well first thing he must not do is go back to that same enviroment..Wherever he was hanging and with whom he was hanging out with.. He has to let that go totally, start out on a fresh note.. That is step one I don't know whats next seeing that I hve never been on drugs or anything,but I have seen enough to know that.. Good luck to him.. Pray for your Brother...

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posted July 27, 2005 05:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taureans with addictions are very difficult, but the first thing is not to give up hope. Mama Mia is right on target - Taureans are creatures of habit, and if they go back to the same places and people, they're going to act the same as they have in the past. Anyone would, but especially taureans. To many, the sensual nature of Taurus might seem to be key to such addictions, but that's usually just what get them in trouble in the first place. It's their habitual nature that is the critical issue that keeps them stuck in such a self-destructive lifestyle.

From the very core of their being, Taureans *want* to be self-controlled, self-reliant and self-possessed, but have great difficulty overcoming the influence of their environment. *All* earth sign natives and people with significant earth influence are heavily affected by their envionment, for better or worst. For earth signs, environment reinforces and natures their habitual nature. Taureans, because of their natural pride and stubbornness, need to learn humility in order recognize how it influences their habits are by their enviornment. But that's a tough lesson for them often.

You see, earth signs want to be in control of their enviornments, as it's what gives them a sense of identity and security. They *don't* like finding out their enviorment controls *them.* This makes them feel powerless, and most often, they fight back with sheer denial. If they feel out of control of their environment, they feel out of control of themselves. When this powerlessness get to a critcial point, they will then become very anxious and will either act out or withdraw in self-defense, and in extreme cases this cause very irrational and self-deestructive behavior, like substance abuse. This need to control is also why earthy people often reject treatment or bail out on rehabs when they have addictions - in a sad ironic twist, they often recognize better than most other addicts that they have a problem (as by nature they hate feeling out of control, as addiction would do to them) but they panic if they feel someone else (therapist, counselor, judge, probation officer, rehab center) is taking all their control away from them as well. Then most often, they see the only way to get it back is run.

It's important not to rob an earthy person of what they by nature need. Instead confront them with their choices. Point them toward healthy environments, emphasizing they have more ccntrol over a healthy environment - and more control over *themselves* in a healthy environment - than in an unhealthy enviornment. Give them reasons to choose healthy enviornment that make sense to them as an earth people (i.e, more control, more security, more self-reliance). Once they get into a healthy environment they are naturally nutured into better, healthier habits, and their chance of relaspe become significantly lower than other types of addicts.

Ideally the key to long-term soberity for a Taurean (or anyone else for that matter) is to reform their habits, but if you go after a Taurean with the "You have to change, you have to change, you have to change" mantra, they'll fight back or push you away because instinctly they feel you're trying to control them, even if that's not your intent. However, the promise of more control that a healthier enviornment can offer has a strong persausive appeal on even the most stubborn, incorrigible, pleasure-driven Taurean. That's what you want to throw into their face: *their* power to choose their environment. They might have to hear a few dozen, hundred times before they are convinced it's want they want (don't give up!), but once they decide they want it, the focus of that massive Taurean will shifts in that direction with unwavering certainty and the future becomes much brighter for them.

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LibraSparkle
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posted July 27, 2005 08:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regardless of Sun Sign, you cannot help anyone get off drugs.

They must help themselves. If they want to get off drugs, they will get off drugs.

Its really that simple. Honestly, I'm not trying to sound b!tchy or mean. The best thing you can do for yourself is to try to detach yourself from your brother's cocaine addiction. In doing so, don't allow yourself to become an enabler.

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Mystic Gemini
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posted July 27, 2005 09:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They need love in there life.


The aquarian I dated before I scared him off with my possessiveness told me that he use to do drugs. He said he once wanted to kill himself. He said he was drunk and high off weed and cocaine. It was like 5am and a police officer stopped him. He was crying like hell and told the cop he was going to take his own life. The cop spoke to him for a while and amde him feel better. the cop took him home and didn't even arrest him when he was smoking weed right in front of him.


Taureans need love in there life to help them. They yearn for the perfect love.

I think everyone really wants to find there happiness. I think I can say many of us feel depressed when we don't get that.

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AcousticGod
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posted July 27, 2005 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Too bad I didn't get to see this thread when dealing with my Taurus ex-roommate, who was also my girlfriend's brother. He was in and out of rehab too, and when out he had a habit of stealing (not from his roommates, though).

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posted July 28, 2005 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother is a recovering addict....

The best thing you can do is offer support. LS is right, they must decide on their own to try and pull out of their addiction. What he needs most is to know that you love him with or without his addiction. Always emphasize the good things they've done and accomplished, he needs a self esteem boost, and as his sibling you are the best person to give it. There's no one more like you genetically in the world than your sibilng...its a special sacred bond, and the more you honor the better off your brother will be. Good luck!

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted July 28, 2005 03:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my bro is an addict too (hes a Libra)

(are u guys sure we all arent related )

its horrible and hes the stubbornest little thing ever arghhhhhhhhh. he has no close ties to any of us and jus hates us to no end, although he will put up fronts to cover it up. and his viewpoints about many things (politics, religion, philosophy etc.) are similar to mine although we are diametrically opposed in activity (im a nerd, hes a party animal), but yet theres little to no REAL communication.

i would say dont cut him off, and keep trying to communicate with him....thats the only thing that i am trying to do. i remember having a conversation similar to this with HSC and how his Taurus girl helped him get off of an addiction. he said to keep trying to understand, be there, and gently explain without pointing fingers or accusing. to always be there, he said, although it takes an enormous amount of emotional energy...

Love
SG

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thirteen
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posted July 28, 2005 08:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for responding. Gemini Nymph: WOW that is an awesome repsonse, exactly what I need. Insight into that character of his...and yes everyone keeps telling him " you have to change" now i see how that may be making him more stubborn. He is trying to buy a lake home from my moms friend real cheap..Im going to get him to focus on that. You're right that is an environment that he enjoys and can control much more. I know he has one guy that he hangs with who gets the drugs. What I don't know is if he knows that he is going to have to stop hanging around with him. I don't know how deep that friendship is. Yesterday was his rehab session and tonight. I will talk with him over the weekend and keep all this stuff in mind. I truly appreciate this. I needed an objective party to shed light on it for me and you really really did that.

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Mama Mia
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posted July 28, 2005 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is the rest of the thread?????

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astro junkie
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posted July 28, 2005 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In order for any transition to take place, you must remember that he will have to LEAVE one thing AND EMBRACE something else to take it's place. So try to think of that other place, maybe help him see that place within himself, such as creativity, spirituality, etc. But it cannot be taken up in a half-azz way. Must fully embrace the thing which replaces the old thing.

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pidaua
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posted July 30, 2005 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Taureans are creatures of habit, and if they go back to the same places and people, they're going to act the same as they have in the past. Anyone would, but especially taureans. To many, the sensual nature of Taurus might seem to be key to such addictions, but that's usually just what get them in trouble in the first place. It's their habitual nature that is the critical issue that keeps them stuck in such a self-destructive lifestyle."

GeminiNympth,

I am finding this to be so incredibly true right now with Mr. Taurus. I saw certain traits and habits over the last year and a half, but they seemed to be getting worse... and now the addictions have emerged. I can't go into it.. but the addictive personality (the lies, head games, anger..etc.) has been going on this whole time and has gotten to the point where I can't be involved anymore. I wish I had known this before.. but I had always suspected it... I can't help him because he is too deep and it has pulled me down with him in a sense (meaning the depression the fights...etc... ) so that I am almost always exhausted over it. Thanks for the information.

~Pidaua

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