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Topic: do u have it in u ?
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cancerrg
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posted August 10, 2005 07:59 AM
 
what i am cxurious about is , what exactly makes us cruel .
what exact placements mean or signify that person can say,' i have it in me to kill someone' . a thread running on the almost same topic refers to pluto . so , besides your sun-moon ,pluto placements would be important . everyone's invited !
for the record , i think i have it in me to kill someone . thgough i dont use violence and i agree i am more of a passive aggressive that cancers are said to be .
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Peri
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posted August 10, 2005 08:23 AM
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i think i have it in me to kill someone
yes, I know I have it in me also but I am sure it will only surface when my life or life of the people I love is endangered. I think it refers to Mars (in Aries) - Pluto opposition, Pluto being in the 8th house.
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Lauren
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posted August 10, 2005 08:51 AM
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Peri
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posted August 10, 2005 08:57 AM
The following aspects which gave results 50% or more above chance for the serial killers, also gave results for the mass murderers: * Sun in stress aspect to the Venus/Mars midpoint.
* Sun in conjunction with the Venus/Mars midpoint.
* Moon in stress aspect with Mars.
* Mercury in stress aspect with the Vertex.
* Mars in stress aspect with the Sun/Uranus midpoint.
* Juno in stress aspect with the Uranus/Ascendant midpoint.
* Uranus in stress aspect with the Jupiter/Vertex midpoint.
* Neptune in stress aspect with the Mars/Ceres midpoint.
* Pluto in stress aspect with the Moon/Venus midpoint.
* Pluto in stress aspect with the Uranus/Vertex midpoint.
* The Ascendant in stress aspect with the North Node of Mars
* The Mid-Heaven in stress aspect with the Neptune/Ascendant midpoint.
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article102504/
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A Perfect Circle
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posted August 10, 2005 10:01 AM
Ah, it's threads like these where you discover the potential serial killers of the world  Anyways I couldn't kill anyone, I could kill bugs though. I hate insects. IP: Logged |
hot_ice
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posted August 10, 2005 10:30 AM
I secretly want to rule the world after I win a long bloody war,that'll be cool...But for the moment I'll just be satidfied with video game violence...Esp.grand theft auto..YEAH! My pluto is in 12th, It trines the sun,moon,mercury and mars, all in 8th,and it has the sextile with neptune...no bad aspects IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted August 10, 2005 11:18 AM
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The person can use it's energy in different ways. Like for instance one person with a mars/pluto square or opposition could go on to become a boxer, while someone else could have real anger management problems and become a serial rapist.
Yes, never omit accountability and free will. I don't subscribe to the whole "you can't escape your chart" attitiude. That's resignation and a failure to be accountable to yourself and the consequences of your own actions and choices. If that's what astrology represented, I'd have nothing to do with it. Most serial killers do, at some point, make a choice to kill. They give into their impulses, and once they become killers, it become addictive for them. That's the thing that sets serial killers apart from other murderers. Interestingly, in the book call Why They Kill, Richard Rhodes interviewed hundreds of conivted ordinary murderers and rapists, and dicovered, they too acted upon choice. Granted it was a choice they made based on a faulty or dyfunctional system of logic (like "That guy looked at me the wrong way, so I got my gun and shot him. He shouldn't have looked at me that way."), but a choice, and that's significant. So when I look at charts of people who kill, I look for aspects that indicate *susectiblity* to either violent impulses that they may choose to act upon and difficultly with rational, objective thinking. In most cases, there's ego or sexual issues involved, which makes rational, objective thought harder, and also explains why the majority of killers are male. Even still, this doesn't make a person a killer - in the overwhelming number of cases, the evidence suggest that ultimately they make the choice to kill. As for those stats from the Astroloy Journal project, I would like to see good, emcompassing stats about the frequency of those same aspects in criminals of lesser crimes, the general population *and* of segments of the population that is particualrly non-violent (i.e., pacifists, cloistered nuns/monks, social workers, etc.). As is I have no reason to assume that just because they found those aspects suppsoedly common among serial killers that they're not just as common in another segment of the population or even to other non-violent criminals like buglars and white collar criminals. IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted August 10, 2005 11:40 AM
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Yes, never omit accountability and free will. I don't subscribe to the whole "you can't escape your chart" attitiude. That's resignation and a failure to be accountable to yourself and the consequences of your own actions and choices. If that's what astrology represented, I'd have nothing to do with it.
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cancerrg
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posted August 10, 2005 11:42 AM
btw , any guesses if the chart points to a violent/ dangerous mind.
Sun Cancer 07°39'33 03 direct
Moon Taurus 05°00'05 01 direct
Mercury Cancer 24°26'44 04 direct
Venus Leo 15°49'37 05 direct
Mars Virgo 08°46'45 05 direct
Jupiter Cancer 15°25'31 03/4 direct
Jupiter is technically near the end of house 3 and is interpreted in house 4.
Saturn Leo 27°06'16 05 direct
Uranus Scorpio 12°30'49 07 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 16°22'35 08 retrograde
Pluto Libra 13°54'23 06 direct
True Node Libra 00°56'53 06 retrograde
House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 22°50'06
2nd House Taurus 25°34'31
3rd House Gemini 21°31'14
Imum Coeli Cancer 15°27'58
5th House Leo 11°25'15
6th House Virgo 13°21'05
Descendant Libra 22°50'06
8th House Scorpio 25°34'31
9th House Sagittarius 21°31'14
Medium Coeli Capricorn 15°27'58
11th House Aquarius 11°25'15
12th House Pisces 13°21'05
Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 2°39
Sun Sextile Mars 1°07
Sun Conjunction Jupiter 7°46
Sun Trine Uranus 4°51
Sun Square Pluto 6°15
Moon Trine Mars 3°47
Moon Trine Saturn 7°54
Moon Opposition Uranus 7°31
Mercury Square Ascendant 1°37
Venus Square Uranus 3°19
Venus Trine Neptune 0°33
Venus Sextile Pluto 1°55
Mars Sextile Uranus 3°44
Jupiter Trine Uranus 2°55
Jupiter Quincunx Neptune 0°57
Jupiter Square Pluto 1°31
Saturn Trine Ascendant 4°16
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°28
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Peri
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posted August 10, 2005 11:58 AM
Sun square Pluto and Moon opposition Uranus I think
http://www.astralis.it/morti_e.htm
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thosa
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posted August 10, 2005 02:20 PM
I read somewhere that many serial killers(and suiciders, fx hitler) have cappy moonsIP: Logged |
Aen
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posted August 10, 2005 03:44 PM
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I read somewhere that many serial killers(and suiciders, fx hitler) have cappy moons
What defines many?? 51%?? 82%?? And the statistics (if there is any) is about the convicted criminals, right?? Sorry, if I sound bitter, but these are exactly the statements that give astrology a bad rap of a frivolous thingy. And I'm sure as someone intersted in astrology you are not up to promote that view.  ------------------
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geminstone
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posted August 10, 2005 08:21 PM
I agree with Aen and, Gemini Nymph... ' free will '. I believe that, as creatures of the animal kingdom, the ' survival instinct ', could be triggered in anyone but again, this could be diffrent in it's intensity based on the individual ' will ' to survive. Obviously though, these would not necessarily pertain to the serial killer or murderer. ~ geminstone IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted August 10, 2005 08:28 PM
I don't think I have it in me to take the life of another person. Only bugs. Sun - Aries
Moon - Sagittarius
Pluto - Scorpio IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted August 10, 2005 08:40 PM
agree with Gem nymph she is always so damn eloquent. wth. jk btw in males at least extra Y chromosomes are proven to lead to more aggressive attitudes, ex. XYY or XYYY i dont remember if its turners , klienfelters or some other syndrome. remember studying it in biology/genetics. women rock  although we can go bobbit on u sometimes anyone remember lorena bobbit  i have a lot of difficult pluto aspects, i can get frustrated but i am too controlled and never break things or hurt people, i never touch people, im not touchy feely, and im verbally aggressive if i get angry but never physically. i was never sportsy or whatever either. so long as im concerned my body just imprisons my soul. any one elses body or mine are not open to damage. also remember that pluto is the planet of power, not just of transformation (negative--to kill? ) but also positive, positive plutonians have the most will power there is period, they can control their every move and emotion, i can be like that if i want to be, it is a pluto rising thing, plus scorp stellium. pluto is not all bad, very good for control over oneself also.
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Saturn's Child
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posted August 10, 2005 10:03 PM
I don't think we can know for sure that we may or may not be capable of killing someone until we are faced with that choice in a live or die situation for ourselves or someone we love. I think that if someone was threatening to kill me or my children or friend or maybe anyone else I would be able to kill them if that's the only way I stop them....then again, I might just become a blithering mass...haven't been there yet....hope I never am.IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted August 10, 2005 10:37 PM
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btw in males at least extra Y chromosomes are proven to lead to more aggressive attitudes, ex. XYY or XYYY i dont remember if its turners , klienfelters or some other syndrome. remember studying it in biology/genetics.
Klinefelter's syndrome. Turner's syndrome would be XO. There's not another X or a Y. I don't think a person with Klinefelter's Syndrome would be physically capable of killing someone, though. Their bodies are badly deformed, I think. Gah, I forgot. It's been a while. I do remember a few of the Syndromes, though. Like Klinefelter's and Turner's. :-P IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted August 11, 2005 07:31 AM
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also remember that pluto is the planet of power, not just of transformation (negative--to kill? ) but also positive, positive plutonians have the most will power there is period, they can control their every move and emotion
what does pluto in libra mean then?
where is your pluto placed ? IP: Logged |
Planet_Soul
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posted August 11, 2005 03:07 PM
How do you find where all those different mid-points are in your chart?Also, have any relevent patterns been found in the charts of victims of murder/violent crimes? IP: Logged |
thosa
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posted August 11, 2005 03:36 PM
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What defines many?? 51%?? 82%?? And the statistics (if there is any) is about the convicted criminals, right??Sorry, if I sound bitter, but these are exactly the statements that give astrology a bad rap of a frivolous thingy. And I'm sure as someone intersted in astrology you are not up to promote that view.
Well..it was an astrological survey on convicted criminals yes, and most of them had cappy moons, but I'm not saying that all cappy moons are serial killers, I'm just presenting the survey-takers point of view lol IP: Logged | |
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