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Gemini Nymph
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posted September 17, 2005 10:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never thougth about this before:

Many astrologers say you don't need the aspects in an aspect configuration to be very tight in orb to be influential. I have seen this in other people's chart, so I can agree with that. Elliott Smith for example, doesn't have a strongly orbed t-square, but it seems the evidence indicates he was having some very difficult t-square type of problems with resolving inner conflicts with his need for expression.

I was just looking at my chart and noticed this:

-Pluto at 27 Virgo opposed Moon at 20 Pisces
-Jupiter at 28 Sag opposed Satrurn at 29 Taurus (bear in ind Jupiter's conjunct Neptune at 1 Scorpio and Saturn conjunct venus at 4 Gem, making that a multiple opposition configuration on its own)

Now My Pluto-Moon opposition works very much like an opposition - no doubt there - and does act as the base of a t-square with my populated Gem 10th house. But could that also be forming a mystic rectangle with my Jup-Sat opposition, even though the moon is 4-5 orb of tight orb with those planets to make a sextile/trine? I note also that my moon is 1) a luminary, so orbs can be wider, and 2) in an angular house (7th).

Actually this would make a lot of sense to me - the traditional explanation of a rectangle config is that one needs to resolve the combative oppositions and find a balance between them before the person can actuallize the positive side of this config. I can say that a good deal of my life has been trying to balance out these oppositions, but finding it hard because I need to balance them all together, and not just work on one and ignore the other. If I don't work on my Pluto-moon opposition, I become very difficult, defensive and aloof to others (my Pluto's in the 1st), and people become very nasty and even vindicative to me. If I don't work on that Jup-Sat mess, I get swallowed in severe depression.

It is said that multiple oppositons, like my Jup-Nep opp Sat-Ven, require tough, life-altering choices to be resolved, and I have certainly be there with my depression, rotten luck, and need to create and be an artistic person in the world. But the more I think on this, the more I realize there's always been a kind of struggle between this opposition and my Pluto-moon - like if one gets too "loud" the other get neglected and becomes an underlying problem that hurts me down the line. There seems a very real need for me to find a balance between these two opposition areas in my chart - what may become of it, if I ever do acchieve that balnce, I don't know, but I'm very curious to find out.

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Pop Producer
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posted September 17, 2005 10:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I head that astro.com uses 7 degrees orbs which is a lot, maybe this is the reason...

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posted September 17, 2005 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph~

So are you looking at aspects by house, such as is outlined in "Relationship Signs"?

Seems like it would make sense to me. Maybe the tighter orbs come more into play when transits are considered?

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Mystic Gemini
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posted September 17, 2005 02:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
huh

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Gemini Nymph
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posted September 17, 2005 03:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pop - I know about the wider orbs at astro.com, but actually I persoanlly use wide orbs for oppositions anyhow,for really dull, math reasons I won;t get into. I'm OK with that astro.com calling my Pluto-moon aspect a opposition, cos it is, even if more nick-picky astrtologers want to insist that nothing beyond a 3 degree is a oppositon (poppyc*ck - they should live with my Pluto-moon opposition for day).

However, astro.com doesn't show a sextile between my moon and Saturn or a trine between my moon and Jupiter - those are out of range even for astro.com.

But the point I was making was that some astrologers note, and I've seen it myself, that orbs don't need to be tight to make an aspect configuration influential. I was noting that this seems to be the case for me here, based on my living expeirence and not what astro.com says.

future - I'm not really looking at houses, just how I have expeirenced these specific oppositions in life - the whole "if it walk like a duck, quacks like a duck" method, y'know. But by house alone, this is easily a rectangle: Pluto in 1st, Jupiter (and Neptune) in 3rd, moon in 7th and Saturn (and Venus) in 9th.

I just find it odd I haven't even considered this before. I was always too hung upon isolated aspects - the very thing I fuss over about other people's interpretations LOL. And I'm always quick to point thhis kindof thing out in another person's chart, the potential for an aspect config even when orbs aren't very tight.

It's interesting that all my planets, even without the rectangle, are in one or two aspect configs. I'm not sure if that means anything. This would just be another layer to this mess.

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proxieme
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posted September 17, 2005 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, what do you think about out-of-sign aspects?
Just a valid as in-sign?
Valid but different?

Do you think that it out-of-sign aspects should be given less of an orb leeway than otherwise, or does it make a difference?

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astro junkie
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posted September 25, 2005 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When it comes to looking at things strictly through an "orb" outlook, I believe in REALLY tight orbs. However, I DO place a LOT of importance on Aspects by Sign (which may be completely out of the traditional "orb").

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