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SecretGardenAgain
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posted October 20, 2005 06:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey GN i had a qs for you,

i recall you writing about an aries male friend of yours who had a bit of a temper in the aries male thread, and i posted about the aries im on/off with. i was wondering:

1. how do you get along with cancer men? they absolutely irritate me becoz to me they are not progressive enough, too conservative

2. what do you think of aries men? they are the supposed male chauvinists of the fire / air group, but on the contrary i find them very loveable, which is why im still with this guy that i cant seem to break up with. lol . there is a real soul connection.

3. if you think that aries is the more conservative of the air/fire group, and cancer of the water/earth group, then what differentiates them?

4. why are so many gem women i know compatible with aries men but incompatible with cancer men? if they are similar, that is.

thank you

Love
SG

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AcousticGod
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posted October 20, 2005 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boss is an Aries married to a Gem. I'm not certain he's altogether faithful, but ...

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 20, 2005 07:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting questions.

Well, about my Aries friend with a temper problem...or actually, in his case, it tended to be a temper tantrum problem...I felt it had to do with his abundant fireiness (Sag ASc with Aries Sun, Merc and Venus) is direct conflict wiht his Cancer Mars, which is overly cautious and passive-aggressive. Fire likes to act in a direct manner - it is its own energy and its nature is an expression of that energy. Water is a conductor of energy - it absorbs energy from elsewhere adn carries and expresses in indirect ways. Hence why a firey planet liek Mars has trouble expressing itself in Cancer, and why my firey Aries friend had a tendency to explode from time to time - had he been able to express his firey nature more directly and constantly through a more direct Mars placement, it probably would have kept his temper on a more even kneel. If this makes sense.

And the problem Cancer Mars happens with Cacner Sun too, as the same kind of active-versus-passive, fire-versus-water conflict results.

Anyhow...

"1. how do you get along with cancer men? they absolutely irritate me becoz to me they are not progressive enough, too conservative"

I get along wonderfully with most Cancer men, at least at first. Cancer rules my 11th, and my moon is in Pisces. I have an emotional nature that is very receptive to Cancer.

The problemi s the rest of my nature is very airy, and there in lies the conflict. I am very progressive minded and tend to think and act is very liberal or free assocaitions. I resist constructs and tend to ignore things like structure. Water needs structure - like water in a cup, it needs something else to hold it in place, or otherwise it spreads out in every direction. As an airy person, that kind of containment is frustrating and unnecessary.

Water's nature can make a water type conservative in many ways. This isn't a bad thing, but it is a source of conflict with someone like me whose nature is very different.

Interstingly, my last relationship was with a Cancer guy who was heavily Mercurial. I could see his needs for structure and containment in hsi environment and in his relationhships, but he had enough Mercury in him to understand my airiness. He also had an Aries moon, would yearned for indepedence and freedom for restrictions. That helped a lot in him understanding me.

"2. what do you think of aries men? they are the supposed male chauvinists of the fire / air group, but on the contrary i find them very loveable, which is why im still with this guy that i cant seem to break up with. lol . there is a real soul connection. "

I love Aries men, but unlike Cancer guys, with whom I tend to hit it off well first and then run into problems, I often run into problems first with an Areis male. If we get past those initial problems, we tend to be best buds.

Aries rules my 8th house and CHiron, and it opposes my very obnoxious Libra Uranus singleton. So there's reason fr a bit of drama at first.

I do often click with Aries SUn or moon men (and women) in a way I don't with other people. Even my brother - he's a Aries moon, and in many ways we have a strained relationship. Yet we're bonded in a way that we both know we'll never find in another person,a nd it's more than being brother and sister. There's just certain things we get about each other.

because of my 8th-Chiron-Uranus connection with Aries people, these relationhips tend to be weird and dramatic, even life-changing. They're also fun, envigoring and memorable in ways my other relationships just aren't.

"3. if you think that aries is the more conservative of the air/fire group, and cancer of the water/earth group, then what differentiates them?"

I would think Leo is the most conservative fire sign. It's fixed and doesn't handle change, while Aries inacts change.

Cancer too isn't as conservative as Scoprio as well, but like I said before, because water needs containment, water signs by nature tend to be a little more conservative than fire signs anyhow.

What would differentiate Aries and Cancer is their elements - fire and water.


"4. why are so many gem women i know compatible with aries men but incompatible with cancer men? if they are similar, that is."

Aries and Gemini are a like the Zodiac's partners in crime: they're a devilish combination, because they compliment each other so highly. Aries is the active partner while Gemini plays a supporting role. Bieng a mutable, Gemini doesn't mind letting someone else take the lead, as long as Gem can be part fo the fun. In male-female relationships this often works well as the Gem female is receptive tot he Aries male, and her airy independance and energy helps energize the Aries make without making him feel constrained.

There's is a mutual child-like quality and shared curiousity about life and the world between Aries and gem that helps them get along (and get into trouble). Cancer is kind of wher teh Zodiac start "growing up." It represents where the personal signs are ready to transform into social signs, where the Zodiac stops being so focused on the self and is ready to start focusing on others. Frankly, Aries and Gem are more selfish than Cancer, and they do actually encourage this selfishness in each other. This helps in bonding, for better or worse. Cancer tend to challenge Gem more, which is good adn at tmes necessary (even we Gems need to grow up some time (sigh*), but can be a little too heavy for long term relationships.

But I persoanlly find there's something very unique about the Areis-Gem combo. Ther's a very special "sympatico" there. They're both like the overly eager children of the Zodiac, ready to just go out and embrace the world and live life and have fun, fun, fun. Together they make a pretty deviant team, but they can be good for each other in many ways.

If you think about it, fire needs fuel to burn, and mainly it needs air. Fire without air dies, and so when paired with an airy person, a fire person is often energize. How long such a rlationship lasts depend a lto on what the fire person can give back tot he air person. Air people can burn out, and this can happen is fire-air relationships. But if the fire person can give something back tot he air person, to help recharge them, this is a relationship that is but mutually beneficial and has potenial to be very long-lasting.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 20, 2005 08:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW Aries men can be chauvinitsitc, true, but d*mn, Cancer men can be too. Except for my last Cancer relationship, all the Cacner guy I dated before where mainly looking for a woman to fit their notion of a woman. They were very rigid in this way, and wanted a "helpmate" and a mother figure. I had one Cacner guy tell me that he wanted to marry me, not because I was a good partner to him or he loved me for who I was, but because he thought I'd be a good mother to his children. I nearly disemboweled him on the spot. Instead he got my "I'm more than a uterus and breasts, a**hole" lecture. And like a Cancer, he pouted. *groan*


My Aries friend I mentioned tended to see women as sex toys until he met me. The weird thing was he was actually highly attracted to independent minded and intellegent women. He just needed a good slap in the face to get him to see that about himself. LOL. Once he got a clue, he could laugh at himself about what a moron he had been

Of course, try to slap sense into a Cancer guy and what do you get? Pouting. *groan*

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted October 20, 2005 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol thanks GN, the insight is useful. i agree gems need growing up to do, and aries are totally child like at times, especially their tantrums totally scream TERRIBLE TWO. but what ive noticed is that this guy has a lot of aqua/libra in his chart and i have a lot of scorpio, we have both had to grow up quicker than most ppl our age--through our fathers' deaths, and other life changing events really. i think that i get tired of being so responsible and mature sometimes. when im with the aries we can both kick back and be silly and forget that the world outside us requires us to do many many things that other people at our stage in life dont.

btw GN, do you think the air would make the aries sun more or less dogmatic? ive noticed that more air doesnt make a person less dogmatic; although it does make them open to others ideas. but they can be just as dogmatic about their own anyway.
his placements are:
Aries Sun
Gemini Moon
Pisces merc
Aqua Venus
Libra Mars

as for cancer men i just find exactly what u said they are looking for a homemaker, a mother figure, and not a lover or a wife, they dont want to give the woman what she wants, but they are offering her what they have. there is a difference. sometimes women want more--independence, choices, freedom, understanding, but the cancer man will just give love and love until he smothers u, and even that love is of a kind of passive-aggressive dictatorial kind if you know what i mean?

Love
SG

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 21, 2005 05:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being dogmatic I would first associate with fixed signs - Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aqua - before Aries.

However, the planets ruled by the fixed signs do lean toward dogmatic thinking - Venus, Sun, Pluto, and Uranus (yes Venus and Uranus can be dogmatic) - and so there can be a tendency with these planets to be dogmatic in other, non-fixed signs.

I think Aries Sun is certainly inclinated to dogmatic thinking, BUT it's still a cardinal sign and so it's nature is to inact change, which contrradicts dogmatic thinking. This seems to cause conflict in many Aries Suns I have known - they want certain, unchanging truth to define their world, yet they can't help but change things around them and in how they think. My Aries-Aqua freind was a good example: he was always pontificating on this or that, but the next day he would have changed his mind. Of course, then whatever his new position or opinion was, he was proclaim as *the* truth, and we'd just roll our eyes at him. LOL.

I would also think that Aries Sun in the Leo decan (10 to 19 Aries) might be more Leonine and thus more dogmatic, too. I know that all my Aquarian influence on my Gemini Sun (including being in the Aqua decan)can make me a tad dogmatic myself.

As for more air and being more or less dogmatic - well I have a lot of ari influence yet could eb both very open and very dogmatic. But that's due to the significant Aqua/Uranian theme in my chart. So it could be that more air could incline some one to be more dogmatic in some cases, if that air ifnluence was connected to Aqua or Uranian in some way. Also, again, the planets ruled by fixed signs that are in Aqua - Aqua Sun, Venus, Uranus and Pluto - do tend to be more dogmatic than if in other air signs.

For example, your Aries friend has Aqua Venus, which is placement that I've noticed tends to be somewhat dogmatic towards their intimate relationships. Things in the relationship have to be certain ways and only certain person "qualify" to be n a relationship with them. They can be very demanding of partners and friends, expecting them to live up to certain ideals, and they tend to be very inflexible in this way, as they see their own subjective attitude about intimacy as being "the Way". This also seems to apply to ther sense fo aesthetics. As being an musican and artist, I've noticed Aqua Venus peeps do tends to have very dogmatic opinions about things like art and personal tastes. I think I've picked up on this with Aqua Venus people i've known because I have Aqua Mars, adn so I see this behavior mirrored in them. I *can* be like that myself, excapt with Aqua Mars, there's more of a tendency to change one's opinions due to the more cardinal and active nature of Mars.

as for cancer men, at least the ones I've known have had a rather distorted view of what it means to love someone. Evne my last relationship I noticed that him, but he was a bit older than me and actually very self-aware. SO he wasn't that bad, although he did admit to me that he was once a lot like that when he was younger and insecure. I don't think that Cancer itself is dogmatic, but ti is inclined to need security, certainty and routine, which isn't the same as being dogmatic. But again teh Sun is a fixed-ruled planet, and so if you have an insecure sign like Cacner plus the Sun, there's the opportunity for dogmatic thinking as a means of obtaining that security adn certainty that Cancer craves.

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