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shop22much
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posted October 30, 2005 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shop22much     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i assume when a planet is afflicted it means its in retrograde...am i wrong? what does it mean? afflicted to another planet? anyone? thanks

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Happy Dragon
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posted October 30, 2005 08:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shop22much
*** i assume when a planet is afflicted it means its in retrograde...am i wrong? what does it mean? afflicted to another planet? ***

"afflicted" .. normaly means in 'stressful' aspect to another placement ..

"affliction" in the dictionary (oxford) be .. "distress" .. ..

so maybe anything that potentialy stresses the natal placement in question .. so retrograde motion could fall into the afflicted catagory .. .. .. .. planatery rulership .. as in 'fall' .. 'detriment' etc .. and various other states of placement .. .. .. e.g a natal placement could be 'afflicted' by a transiting planet ...

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wilsontc
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posted October 30, 2005 09:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shop,

The word "affliction" is negative and sends the wrong signal about the nature of the energy being discussed. These days an astrologer will use another word, such as "challenged" to indicate that this energy is being "challenged" in some way which "challenges" us to find a solution. Handling these astrological "challenges" is the basis for our personal and spiritual growth.

Challenging,

Tim

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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 30, 2005 10:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh please, spare me the PC nonsense. There's nothing wrong with the term affliction. If someone interprets that word as purely negative, it's they who are at fault for lacking a nuanced and intuitive grasp of the nature of such aspects and placements. Changing the terms won't automatically make someone automatically more insightful.

Besides I've seen no general concensus among astrolgoers to weed out that term in preference for another one. I've seem the terms "harmonious" and "challenging" used quite a bit in relationship astrology, but my take on that is the astrologers dislike scaring their clients with words a novice wouldn't understand very well and might easily misinterpret or misapply.

Anyhow, about afllictions...It is actually astrological proper to think of affliction as stress or distress - affliction causes stress upon the expression of the energy and that is what makes it challenging. If you don't get the stress part and just think something's challenging because it's challenging, not only are you commiting a logic fallacy (legal positivism), you're not understanding the aspect very well or very deeply.

Yes stress can be negative, especially if not counterbalanced or coped with effectively. And if you ask me, to be an effective astrologer, you need to be able to acknowledge the less than desireable potential as when as the more desireable, and avoid glossing over things that people may not wish to hear. Afflictions often represent traits in ourselves that we are not proud of, wish we could change or avoid confronting. Laying out the potentially negative effects of these afflictions, espeically when they are ignored, in very straightforward terms often helps a client understand 1) why afflictions ought to be dealt with and understood properly, and not ignored or de-emphasized 2) that astrology doesn't deny accountability and free will, but is a tool we can use to exercise choice over how we live ourselves and what kind of persons we are.

ANother important thing to understand is that this stress "afflicts" different signs, plaents, aspects and placements differently, which is why it's essential to get the basic of astrology under your belt and also the . It's not a blanket effect, and the distinction are very critical. As norm, affliction tends to either emphasize, exaggerate or pronounce more difficult traits of a sign or planet, but it's hard to understand that unless you have a good understanding of the signs and planets frist.

Lastly, just remember that you cannot really interpret aspects and placements in isolation away from the rest of the chart. Whatever affliction you have, it has a context and a relationship everything else in you chart. So even if you have a pretty scary affliction in your chart, how it ultimately manifests depends a lot on what else is in your chart. The effects of affliction can be constructively balanced out either by other aspects in the chart. Also, since we are not "ruled" by our charts, we can do a lot to "own" our charts, including afflicted aspects. This can be done through personal growth, awareness and good coping skills.

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dogstar
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posted October 30, 2005 01:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well said i have saturn in opposition to a stelenium .saturn in the 7th house opposite stellenium in the 1st house. i think saturn ancors my ego based stellenium to make sure im not being arrogant or pushy with people and to balance my 1st house personality through friendships family and partnerships 7th house.i think my affliced 1st house is just being helped more than harmed it is all in the way you look at it.

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TheEvolution
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posted October 30, 2005 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afflicted = negatively influenced.

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Stargazer
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posted October 30, 2005 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shop22much... Hey how are ya? I went to grupovenus.com and did an indra report... it was very interesting and it said that my venus is afflicted... it is in the fall position and retro...i only have two major aspects on astro.. sun conjunct venus and venus Quincunct saturn... grupo listed more but i think the orb is wider like 8 degrees.

However, grupo said i had a well aspected saturn which is also in the fall and retro..
so, i find this all confusing...
Why would they be different?
Also what does it mean when programs list a planet as Dom. or exalted? is this your chart ruler?

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