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SweetCappie
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posted November 16, 2005 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met a Pisces at work in Early September, he approached me because he thought I was beautiful and mysterious. If he was a guy I met in any other place, I would have rejected him upfront because I'm not attracted to him (he's not ugly but I'm attracted to guys that are above average-looking) but because he was my coworker I decided to be nice. Days prior to our date I was direct and honest with my intentions that I didn't want anything more than a platonic friendship (I emphasized no dating, no sex). I said if I do decide to date it would probably be in a year. He won't honor my boundaries, he told me he wants my attention, doesn't want to wait long, wants to be more personal than friends, wants to get to know me, thinks he has all the qualities I want in a man, etc. Date #1 didn't go well at all, date #2 was better but that's when he turned me off even more.

He has disrespected me (out of nowhere, he boldly slapped my butt on 2 different occasions when I was walking in front of him), asked for a kiss several times after date #2 (he won't listen to me when I tell him he's nothing more than a platonic friend), he made several chauvinistic remarks about woman being inferior to men (the worst one was how he's happy that in his new religion of Islam the word “Allah” has no feminine form to it), he's like a chameleon (I notice he takes on the outer personality of the people he’s interacting with), and he's indecisive (wants to take the lead but cannot decide on a place to go). Plus his morals clash with mine and I know he lied to me twice.

Please take a look at his chart and tell me what you can about this guy. Do you see any violent or psycho aspects in his chart? His birth date is 2/24/77, birth time around 5 am,Capricorn ascendant, moon in Taurus, Venus in Aries (opposes Pluto), Mercury and Mars in Aqua. I have read about Mars in Aqua, but I still don't understand how it plays out in real life.

His chart link

*EDITED: He no longer works with me. He found another job because they were very close to firing him for not following instructions despite many warnings! He barely made 3 months*

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Cap sun, Cancer moon (1st), Gemini rising, stellium in Sag (7th house).

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proxieme
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posted November 16, 2005 10:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dearlawd, he sounda like a nightmare.

Might get along with another Pisces that I posted about...

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SweetCappie
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posted November 16, 2005 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxieme,

What was the subject of the Pisces guy thread that you posted?
Oh, I think I know--Chris Klein?! Yes, they share the same chauvinistic view, maybe they were buddies in a past-life.

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sthenri
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posted November 16, 2005 11:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sweetcappie, simply turn him into a platonic friend by telling him firmly that you want to do things together and next time he approaches you have a plan ready. It can be a play, or anything you like but if he's not game than let him know he has to come up with an alternative plan that you agree to.

Ignore anything else and he will get the hint.

I would usually say otherwise but i have a very similar Cancer friend and he annoyed me to no end. Then one day I told him off and said in no way did I want to have sex or date him until a man made me feel secure and the only way that would happen is if he spent a lto of time with me and trusted and liked me. I said if you don't like what I do for you then you really don't like me. Be honest. Each time he got hyper and sexy, I would ask him if he really cared about me or not because he wasn't being trustworthy.

I kept preaching that without getting angry, and still kept being his friend as long as it didn't interfere in anything.

A month or two later he did a 180 degree turn and told me what a Lady I was and how he respected that. I got tons of compliments but I stayed the same and then he became brotherly and sweet.

So far I like him this way and he finally let down his macho shell and showed me how he works night and day to support his son, and is super responsible and well liked by all his friends. He dropped the crudeness, and I met friends of his who said he was the greatest guy, he only acted like that with me.

So sweetcappie, men's brains turn to pudding around us earth women.

It's normal. better to be paid attention to by someone who is gaga over you than someone who has lukewarm attention because the passion fades. Eventually you end up with a brotherly like affection and you he may make you feel proud or happy someday if you are really under his skin.

Now the Cancer friend of mine is under my skin a bit and I worry about him and his family, his work ethic and morals are very high unlike what I first thought, so I will never stop caring about him. Strangely it takes months for me to have real physical interest in anyone, because I do not trust my first instincts anymore.

Being so nice as a Taurus I tend to discount anyone who is crude or who has bad manners, but many times my instincts are not really active and I am going along for the ride.

Maybe there is something really interesting to you about your Pisces when you listen to him talk about his life? He's your puppy but he maybe hiding some part of his life he doesn't like so he loses himself in women. What if he is a piano player in secret? You never know with water sign men, they are full of surpises and generally have much talent.

This Cancer of mine has without knowing it, taught me so much regarding my career.

Good Luck,
Natasha
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SweetCappie
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posted November 17, 2005 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Natasha! I do find him to be interesting and I like his romantic idealism. I used to always ignore my first impressions and intuition because I tend to focus on people's good side and ignore the bad. However, those same guys I gave the benefit of the doubt to ended up showing me that my intuition was right. So I promised myself never to ignore my intuition again. I really want to be nice but make it more than clear that he's not my type.

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sthenri
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posted November 17, 2005 09:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All you should have to say is I go by what I feel and my feelings are telling me we don't know each other that well. You don't have say we are not compatible because sticking to the truth is much easier-

If he is idealistic he will eventually be your friend but be less, less pushy, just let you know he's around to talk.

And always in every friendship there is one who is a little more pushy than the other, it's never equal.

But in my Cancers case once I put my foot down very firmly-his attention dropped off and he now only talks about work/family.

I said, if he really wanted to be my friend he would RESPECT my wishes and trust me to make the right decision regarding my body and our friendship.

That's pushy, but you have to push back, as he is taking it for granted that he knows what's best for the future friendship. Being a woman you know what he wants and don't let him delude himself. Don't encourage him to find someone else where as that can be cruel, but let him know he can't delude himself into thinking that the spark exists. Then tell him to stay friendly, because most men would get mean.

Natasha

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SweetCappie
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posted November 17, 2005 09:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I'm going to take your advice.

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SweetCappie
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posted November 17, 2005 01:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone care to analyze his chart?

Natasha-
I contacted him and followed your advice. I think he understands. He told me he was shocked that I took his ass-slap as disrespect (I wonder how its possible for him to not find that disrespectful!).

His responses today were: 'Cool, I understand what your say but I guess I don't want to be always in the friend list. I would be lying if I told you I have no sexual desires but that's not my goal. I trying to be in your heart not your pants. Feel me. I respect you and will not let the desire of grabbing your ass take over me."

I read somewhere about the Venus-Pluto opposition and how they get hard-to-control sexual impulses--I guess that's a perfect example of that!

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Planet_Soul
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posted November 17, 2005 02:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sag girl pal is also having big issues w a Pisces guy at work. It started out innocently, Eli (the guy) started hanging out at our work area to chat w us. This was great at first, because Eli seemed like such a cool guy to be friends with. Soon, he asked my friend to lunch and she accepted. At our workplace its ver common for friends to go out together on our lunch, so she didn't think anything more of it.
The next few days, we started hearing rumors of Eli saying that he and she were "involved". My friend confrotned Eli, and his wishy washy reply was "We are invloved-as friends". My friend clarified that he gave of another impression as his choice of words, and she wouldn't feel comfortable going to lunch w him anymore. That she would never see him as anything other than a friend.
Eli agreed to her terms for awhile, then he got psycho. He began to constantly follow her around, whining about her refusal to go to lunch w him. It got so bad, she began to avoid him and blow him. At that point he began following me around in the attempt of fishign out information. Then, he had his sister call my friend at work demandign an explanation from her. The last straw came last week. Eli called my friend at work, in a drunken haze and began yelling at her. She hung up on him, and the next day she told him off and he finally has left her alone (we shall see how long this lasts)>

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PansPride
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posted November 17, 2005 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PlanetSoul that's kinda scary, for your friend that is.

Sweetcappie, I have to say I admire your honesty, for laying out the rules on how stuff works best for you. There were times when i was dating that it seemed like all i wanted from certain women, was just a simple honest answer to something. Most of the time they kept feeding me b/s just to try to let me down easy or something. But the problem with that was Instead of being able to talk platonically, I gained a lot of Disrepect for them. Only because they couldn't or wouldn't be forward with me. I just wouldn't try to hint anything, just make sure its straight forward to the point, if he doesn't like it, he'll get over it. From the sound of it it seems like you'd be that way anyway, but if he's all that worried about getting hurt, then he wouldn't open himself up to much, I.e. to show you that he is Chevanistic. Most guys I know including myself when we express our feelings all the time we tend to be phased by less stuff.

That probably doesn't make any sense, but atleast i got to ramble.

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Quark
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posted November 17, 2005 08:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a moron!

Slapping u on the butt?!?!?! Uhhh... yeah.. how classy....

Let down the tyres on his car when hes not around... or plot some huge work based back lash... u know u must... bwahahahaha

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SweetCappie
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posted November 17, 2005 09:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PlanetSoul - I wish your friend luck. Its so scary when men go psycho. Do you know the Pisces guy birthdate?

Pans = Happy to hear your male perspective. I have noticed in my past that if I"m dating a guy that wasn't clear about his intentions or lied (typically saying they want to get serious when they really just want a fling), that it would hurt or anger me. I figure things are so much smoother when both parties are honest.

Quark : Can you believe his sorry excuse was that he didn't know slapping me on the ass was disrespectful?! I am so sure he knew what he was doing. I would love to get revenge but everytime I do, karma kicks my ass!!

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sthenri
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posted November 17, 2005 10:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SweetCappie, I used to think this kind of behaviour was bad, but actually its' fairly common and normal in that it's sincerely impulsive. It can stop if confronted directly, blowing the guy off and acting non confrontational will not help because it's not really being honest about one feels. The problem is that rarely works because we are talking about sex and love, which are emotional.

It's easy to forget people romanticize things once in a while and fall in love with someone if they think that person has qualities they don't have. How many times have I romanticized someone in the office when I thought that man had something special??

Men act that way because they think women like it, they don't know any better so I don't get mad anymore. Still it's like any attitude it has to be confronted.

Worse still is the kind of man who is predatory, perfect to the letter, opens doors, offers to walk me home, carries packages for me, and then bluntly demands a romantic relationship behind closed doors-or else he will take off.

That is even more common and much worse because the rejection is not taken well and the sting is remembered-the revenge is not pretty.

Getting drunk and calling in the night is not psycho, just horny!

Earth women are naturally honest-it's our best quality.

The Cancer I know told me he dislikes my confrontational ways and it could even be seen as abusive if it meant I was not loving, but I know I am loving so I don't need to reassure him of that. It's my way and I give love when I feel I am doing the right thing. He may not take me out to dinner but he was honest with me and will be my friend who will call me when he wants to hang out. Obviously I can't take advantage of his friendship for dinner and such, and I wasn't planning to.

I respect him though for making it clear, as I am sure women do take advantage of men by leading him on, although I am not one of those women.

In my view relationships with water men are very subjective and the ending is up to the earth woman, she has control as long as she addreses the emotions. It's very hard to do that, but if respect is maintained the friendship can be rewarding.

Honestly in the end even Pisces men have rewarded me with so much in the way of education, confidence and emotional support in times of trouble that I am more forgiving of their defensive ways. The way a man shows he is a real man is how much he can be depended on, and water men are pretty cool compared to some others.

Then again I have to work with many different people-and I have more trouble working with Aries, Leo, and Aquarius men.

Natasha

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted November 18, 2005 01:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey sweetcappie i was just browsing and had to RE-EMPHASIZE that this guy is an absolute moronic lying jerk. he knows EXACTLY what hes doing. having venus opp. pluto myself, and 2nd house moon, i can fall hard, but that scorpio stellium gives me steel discipline over myself. we venus opp. pluto ppl can get into power games in relationships, or get delusional about being rejected its not easy to take. BUT most of the time that is taken care of with a good dose of self discipline and doesnt reach other ppl. this guy is letting it loose and its not acceptable.

btw i find it disgusting that he took the Allah word like that. the entity Allah has no gender and the Quran CLEARLY says so, it only uses He because it is a common assumption in every culture to use male pronouns (He who laughs last laughs best etc.), and also because in arabic , verbs conjugated for howwa (male pronoun) are smaller and easier to use over a long period of time. anyhow he sounds like a chauvinistic pig. i would not bother myself over him. he needs a good logical telling off. if u confront a deluded pisces with pure cut and dry logic they will freak out and sometimes reality can be too much for them. however, it will definitely have an affect.

Love
SG

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Planet_Soul
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posted November 18, 2005 04:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure, I think his birthday is March 14, 1984. He told us once, when we chatted about astrology. All I remember is he has a Leo Moon and Mars in Scorpio in addition to the Pisces Sun. I'm afraid to talk to him again, every time I even say hello he bugs me about my friend.

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posted November 18, 2005 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Slap him on the butt next time

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SweetCappie
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posted November 18, 2005 10:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri The 2nd time he slapped my ass was when he was helping me move. I was angry on the inside but knew if I gave him a piece of my mind that he would probably drop my furniture and run! I needed his help so I smiled and when he least expected it, I slapped him on the ass and said "payback" lol. I didn't really do it for payback though..he has a big butt for a guy so I was a lil curious lol.

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SweetCappie
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posted November 18, 2005 10:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pretty much had it with him, I know for sure he's not my Mr. Right. He's the first Pisces guy I met so I'm really interested in learning more about Pisces men.

SecretGarden , I like your name, reminds me of a great book I read. I agree with you about how he really misinterpreted the word Allah. His chauvinistic words sparked a big debate between us and his male cousin (who defended us women). It was interesting to see him bring his guard down. He said Allah or GOD could never be a woman because woman are too emotional to rule the world or be president. Well me and his cousin gave good arguements and I think he understood that us woman are more powerful than he thinks.

Thanks for explaining the Venus-Pluto opposition. I always wondered about it.

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Swerve
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posted November 18, 2005 12:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces men huh?

Watcha wanna know ? I'll be glad to oblige.

Swerve

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SweetCappie
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posted November 18, 2005 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swerve-- Hello. Well I would like to know what they are like when they are interested in someone, when they are in love, when they are not interested in someone, and if they are more talk than action? From descriptions I've read it seems like they seem like big flirts to me. Like they just want everyone to fall in love with them while they fly away. They say Pisces men are the Romeos of the zodiac, the suave guys that can never be caught. Is that pretty accurate? If so, could it be because they usually have Aqua or Aries planets?

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