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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted November 27, 2005 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've a few friends who are, and I was wondering...?

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whiterabbit
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posted November 27, 2005 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know about rich, but for homosexuality/bisexuality.. here are some things that I've noticed:

Venus in Libra or Aquarius
Mars in Libra or Aquarius
Uranus aspecting Venus and/or Mars
Certain Pisces placements
Moon in 7th house
Sun in 12th house

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nove731
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posted November 27, 2005 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think there's anything in the chart that could show homosexuality. I chalk that up to biology/genetics/whatever-else-you-want-to-call-it. From experience, I know it wasn't a choice, and I grew up just like the majority of my friends, and they're not homosexual. So I can only really see it being biological/genetic/whatever-else-you-want-to-call-it.

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted November 27, 2005 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh...ok. cool, thanks!

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Neptune's Muse
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posted November 27, 2005 03:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with nove, this whole homosexual aspects is becoming really ridiculous! Assuming people who were born on a certain day of a certain month, have Venus conjunct Mars for instance, and for a WHOLE generation lets say Uranus is opposing Venus and Mars,(Since Uranus is a slow moving planet) so WITH THAT THEORY, if it is indeed a theory, everyone born that day, week, is by definition a homosexual, how silly is that!?

Think about it.

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posted November 27, 2005 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christina ~

You might take a look at this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007014.html

And, if there were an indicator of who is "rich", I imagine in-depth astrology (not just the newspaper daily astro forecasts) would be a lot more popular, wouldn't it?!? And, define "rich". Do you mean a lot of money, or rich spiritually?? If you mean strictly mundane money, I have Venus in the 2nd and Taurus MC, and I'm not wealthy.....

'Zala

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted November 27, 2005 03:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hm...how about mars in libra in the eleventh, for a female? for...homosexuality. A friend of mine has it.

and rich...well, I meant material rich. And spiritual too..but it was the material I was wondering about. I dont know rich, but just like, um...always having enough to meet ends and such? Didn't someone say Leo in MC is an aspect of a good career?

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Planet_Soul
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posted November 27, 2005 04:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool,

I have an Aqua vibe Venus in the 11th (depending on chart system) conj. Uranus
Sun in the 12th
Neptune strongest force in my chart

I am comfortable w my masculine side, but I love men too, too much. However, a fine girl passes by me I have no problem with doing a double take.

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jkxx
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posted November 27, 2005 04:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conjunct Mars, both square Uranus here, but as Neptune's muse said, it wouldn't make sense if it affected everyone born around then and it doesn't seem to have affected me.

I'd check Noel Tyl's analytical articles on celebs if you're looking for info on rich people. It doesn't talk about what makes one rich, but goes backwards and explains what aspects some of these people have.

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Kat
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posted November 27, 2005 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if there is any true tell tale astrological way of knowing if someone is gay. I checked friends of mine and there is not any one astrological way of knowing this. There are too many aspects to factor in.
For rich I assume you mean wealth. I have found sun in the 2nd house can mean wealthy if other aspects support this possibility. For instance Oprah's sun is in the 2nd house her rising is Capricorn which usually does well in business, she also has strong ties with people shown by 11th house activities. Frequently successful people have others backing them and the 11th house can help.
I have a friend who is a Cancer (rising unknown) who raises Llamas his Scorpio moon seems to have helped him not only excel with business but breeding animals. He is quite successful and wealthy. Typically Cancer can become wealthy through saving, Taurus by acquiring wealth and beauty, Cap through business (and possible domination) Scorpio by saavy. It would also depend on the house that these planets reside in and aspects to these planets.

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posted November 27, 2005 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, it's absolutely ridiculous to make some of the comments you are making considering the fact that we speak about aspects for other sides of the personality ALL OF THE TIME and we all know that when we say something like "Moon in Capricorn may indicate problems with the mother" we don't mean that EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITH MOON IN CAPRICORN WILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR MOTHER. I don't understand why people are so uncomcoftable with discussing sexual preference in this way. Is it fear of sounding prejudiced? I'm not sure what it is, but it's a very strange phenomenon. I'm openly bisexual and have done a lot of exploration into the topic to see if there's anythign in my chart that indicates such tendencies. I don't see why sexual tendencies are any different than tendencies toward substance abuse, or artistic talent, or desire for Love.
Also- regarding the Uranus comment, it is a slow-moving planet but Venus and Mars are not so in fact a whole generation wouldn't necessarily have this aspect.
It's funny because the entire thing we love- this thing called Astrology, is based on finding patterns in human souls and the stars but as soon as it gets on this ground.. sexuality.. people get uncomfortable.
Do you believe in it or not?
Why would the stars not show your sexual preference if they can show something about the evolution of your Soul and Karma, and death and love and birth and thoughts and moods and desires and Truth?

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Neptune's Muse
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posted November 27, 2005 05:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whiterabbit,

Well I guess it is a matter of perception then, I do believe in it yes, but I don't agree with everything.

Do you agree with everything in it? Believe everything? Believing in the whole, does not reliabely mean agreeing with the parts.

And before you jump into conclusions, as I noticed the tendency to do so in the post, NO, I am not uncomfortable with sexuality and I am not suffering from a morbid fear of appearing prejudiced. I think sexuality is much more complicated than a few aspects delineating the possibility of falling in love with the same sex, both sexes, or the opposite sex.

Actually, scientists kept claiming for years that love and attraction all happen in the brain, it is all in the mind was the famous mantra, but if you read the latest results done in regards to heart's research (www.heartmath.org), it is in the heart, really. Love is literally in the heart, NOT the mind!

How you behave, is your mind, this is where astrology is potentially concerned, for those of us who believe in astrology, plus genetics, etc.

How you feel love, and most important why do you feel love, why this man/woman can never be explained if the world's astrologers /synastry charts combined together offered reasons. We seek answers yes, do the composites and synastry, but to sedate the MIND, and we try to find answers because the heart does not follow these rules.

Love and sexuality are very complicated aspects of human nature, and they are ruled by much more than planetary placements (in my opinion) -- they are not behaviour, therefore they cannot be classified.

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posted November 27, 2005 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whiterabbit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know, Neptune's Muse.. I see you're also from Wonderland.. are we saying the same thing in different tongues? Of course love and sexuality are too complex.. but hey isn't ALL of us too complex to define through astrology or anything else? Doesn't it all come together.. psychology, biology, astrology.. to create a wobbly and debatable picture that's still somehow incomplete?
I was trying to get at the fact that since we're already discussing astrology here, why not ponder its relation to sexuality? Of course it's not enough, it could never be enough.. and of course all of my questions aren't answered by astrology. And I hate walls.. and borders and definitions, I'm an Aquarius after all.. (haha.. yes, irnoic that I would say that and add that I'm an Aquarius.. just contradicting myself for pleasure, 'tis all).
If someone said something like (as they SO often do) "Will this relationship work? Our Venuses are squared? What do you think of our aspects" we could go down the same road and say "Hey, human relationships are far too complex to be define and determined by astrology" or we could give it a shot.. for the sake of.. well, easing the mind like you said?! Isn't that what we're here for?
Of course I completely agree and disagree with you and myself.

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Aen
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posted November 27, 2005 06:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi whiterabbit,

I'm a bit vary drawing conclusions on the placements/aspect denoting homosexuality because I haven't come across any statistical survey with all this boring numbers to support that certain aspects really indicate homosexual/bisexual tendencies. I believe that there are also other people who are not uncomfortable but rather jut uncertain.

You mention patterns you have noticed and that is really interesting. Could you care to talk more about your findings? How many charts you compared? Were the Mars aspects/placements you mentioned more prominent on women's or men's charts? Stuff like that.

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taurean_scorpion
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posted November 27, 2005 06:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this guy i know, i even had his picture here for a guess game recently, he turned out to be gay...didn't know...well he has a lot of strong uranus aspects:

Uranus Sextile Ascendant 5°15
Sun Sextile Uranus 6°00
Mars Trine Uranus 4°23
Jupiter Square Uranus 1°42

His sun's in pisces, asc in scorpio. And Mars in 6/7cusp...which astro. com says should be interpreted as the 7th (libra house). so, yeah...

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Lousianagrl
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posted November 27, 2005 07:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in aquarius is a good sign for homosexuality...I know a few of em...

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted November 27, 2005 08:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is cool. Hmm...does anyone know what MC in leo is? Does it have anything to do with career.

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fayte.m
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posted November 27, 2005 08:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mostly gay/bi friends. I do not know of anything in their charts to indicate their choice.

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MAGUS of MUSIC
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posted November 27, 2005 09:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does'nt the commetPhalus heavily impacting/aspecting Uranus in the 8th house show a homosexual tendency ?

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beebuddy
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posted November 27, 2005 10:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We Scorpio Ascendents have been known for our "experimental" ways. Although I don't think this placement points to outright homosexuality.

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fayte.m
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posted November 28, 2005 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus in a chart is an old tasteless joke from the 60s or before....purported to indicate homosexual tendancies.
There is no truth to it as far as I know of!

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posted November 28, 2005 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mc is 10th house cusp. can indicate careers, status, recognition, standing in society


I have MC conj. Moon in Leo :-D, hollywood babyyyy!

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wilsontc
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posted November 29, 2005 12:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christina,

To begin with, by sexual-biological function, men are active, and women are receptive. Although this is the way biology works, not everyone LIKES this sexual-biological arrangement.

For example, if a woman has Aries (active) modifying Venus (receptive), then she many not WANT to play a receptive role in a relationship. And, if she ALSO dislikes her own sexual-biological role, she may decide that another WOMAN (who is naturally sexually-biologically receptive) would be the best choice for a partner. If another woman ALSO disliked her sexual-biogical role, she could be a partner to the woman with Aries modifying Venus. While this woman would still be receptive according to traditional, sexual-biological standards, she would be defying her sexual-biological role because she would be with another WOMAN, instead of a man.

Similarly, if a man has Taurus (receptive) modifying Mars (active), then he many not WANT to play an active role in a relationship. And, if he ALSO dislikes his own sexual-biological role, he may decide that another MAN (who is naturally sexually-biologically active) would be the best choice for a partner. If another man ALSO disliked his sexual-biogical role, he could be a partner to the man with Taurus modifying Mars. While this man would still be active according to traditional, sexual-biological standards, he would be defying his sexual-biological role because he would be with another MAN, instead of a woman.

To attempt to determine whether a person wants to rebel against their sexual-biological role, we can look at how much the person prefers "structure" (Capricorn, Saturn, and the 10th house) as oppoosed to how much they prefer "rebellion" (Aquarius, Uranus, and the 11th house). If a person prefers "structure," this is indicated by strong Capricorn, Saturn, or 10th house influences in their chart. If a person prefers "rebellion," this is indicated by strong Aquarius, Uranus, or 11h house influences in their chart.

Those who prefer "structure" will tend to like the traditional, sexual-biological role. Those who like "rebellion" will tend to like to rebel against the traditional, sexual-biological role. Of course, regardless of a person's impulses, it is up to them as to whether they choose to ACT on those impulses.

Looking at sexuality in astrology,

Tim

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posted November 29, 2005 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[Edit]

Nevermind.

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Tula
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posted November 29, 2005 01:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the topic of homosexuality, I especially liked what Tim had to say, and think that valid points were made all around. Astrology cannot determine the sexual preference of the native, and I don't think anyone here was suggesting such; but where biology inclines one to homosexuality astrological factors might support that disposition. A chart on paper can point to any number of potentials, though which actually manifest themselves depends chiefly on natural aptitudes and susceptibilites, as well as, to a large extent, environment.

In addition to the indicators already put forth, Uranus in hard aspect (particularly the quincunx) with the luminaries (the sun in a man's chart; the moon in a woman's) can encourage gender identity issues. On another board I read it was recently theorised that Pallas Athene in aspect with the moon produces similar effect.

Interestingly, my sun falls in the 12th house and my moon in the 7th. Uranus is septile the sun and conjuncts Mars with both planets forming squares with Venus. My moon makes a partile conjunction to Pallas. And I am just about as blandly hetero as a gal can get.

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