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Neptune's Muse
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posted November 27, 2005 03:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Quindecile - 165 Degrees of Obsession/Compulsion by Ricki Reeves


THE QUINDECILE or The Fatal in the Natal, The Obsession in Progression, The Bandit in the Transit, and The Need to Be in Synastry.

The Quindecile, or 165 degree aspect, termed as "the separation aspect" by German astrologer Thomas Ring (1892-1983) denotes disruption and upheaval which divorce the individual from the balance of their life. Noel Tyl re-discovered this aspect while researching the horoscope of Leonardo da Vinci and after extensive research confirmed it as a prominent indicator of obsession/compulsion as a response to upset and trauma in the life.

THE DYNAMICS OF OBSESSION AND COMPULSION - Most of us have some degree of obsessive/compulsive tendency, inclination or behavior of a non-clinical nature such as co- dependency, alcoholism, drug abuse, workaholism, shopping, gambling, eating disorders, sexual addictions, body image, perfectionism, idealism, use of manipulation and/or control, and so on.... . One of the benefits experienced, during times of obsession, is momentary escape from feeling emotional pain connected with fear, disappointment, anger, low self esteem, difficult memories, etc. This escape can become addictive and our means of coping with stress we can't deal with, don't want to deal with or simply don't have the tools to deal with.

THE ASTROLOGICAL OVERVIEW - The 165 degree point falls at 15 degrees Virgo and Libra. Virgo (assimilation) and Libra (cooperation) require effective assimilation of cooperative efforts between the planetary pair's characteristics. Virgo (Earth) and Libra (Air) suggest a combining of the physical and mental. In other words "Do what you think!" Virgo (mutable) and Libra (cardinal) indicate this aspect having an active component which may go around in circles. When these dynamics are not consciously focused, chaos and disruption can reign within the life.
The quindecile falling at the midpoint between a quincunx and an opposition, indicates a need for both adjustment and awareness in order to effectively synthesize the planetary energies and utilize this dynamic to our benefit.

Planets quindecile angles are shown through the physical presentation, social outreach, relationships, societal position or professional endeavors.
1.) ASCENDANT (ASC) - Possible obsession with one's looks, physical body or relationships. Characteristics of the aspecting planet are focused through how the individual presents him/herself. (i.e. George S. Patton - Mercury quindecile ASC, Joan Crawford - Venus quindecile ASC)
2.) MIDHEAVEN (MC) - Shown through one's ambition, career, or how they seek to be known by society as a whole. The thrust for recognition or approval.(i.e. Norman V. Peale - Jupiter quindecile MC, Oprah Winfrey - Mars quindecile MC)

Planets quindecile Sun or Moon are an integral part of the personality. It is difficult for the individual to see the extent to which the drive of the aspecting planet is influencing their life.
1.) Quindeciles to the Sun - Aspecting planet characteristics are incorporated into how the individual seeks recognition. (i.e. Winston Churchill - Pluto quindecile Sun, Quincy Jones - Neptune quindecile Sun)
2.) Quindeciles to the moon - Intensify the security needs. (i.e. Liberace - Venus quindecile Moon, Janis Joplin - Mars quindecile Moon)
3.) Quindeciles between the Sun and Moon - Enmesh the personality into a singular focus. (i.e. David Bowie, Joseph Mengele)

Personal planets quindecile personal planets are shown through the dynamics of the planets involved. For instance, Mars quindecile Mercury (i.e. Jack Nicholson) is a need to take action on ideas and information, or Mars quindecile Venus (i.e.Betty Ford) is a need to take action on aesthetics, kinship or relationship.

Societal or generational planets quindecile personal planets
Societal planets (Jupiter and Saturn) indicate trends of the times and generational planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) indicate movements of consciousness. When a societal or generational planet is quindecile a personal planet there is potential to be a leader in setting the current trends of the time or to perhaps "get caught up" in them. (i.e. Karl Marx - Uranus quindecile Mercury, Parmahansa Yogananda - Pluto quindecile Mercury)

Outer Planets quindecile outer planets
The outer planets reflect movements, events and issues on societal, national and global levels which impact our consciousness. Alignments of Uranus and Neptune reference disruption of the status quo (Uranus) within a seeking of the ideal (Neptune); Uranus and Pluto reference disruption of the status quo (Uranus) within a shift in the perspectives of consciousness (Pluto); Neptune and Pluto reference seeking the ideal (Neptune) in perspectives of consciousness (Pluto).

Planets quindecile North Node may suggest the life purpose , a thrust into public recognition and renown, or a prominent maternal relationship.
1.) Planetary dynamics involved can actually define one's "life purpose". (i.e. John F. Kennedy - Saturn quindecile North Node)
2.) Recognition and renown can be literally "thrust" upon the individual and it can be suggestive of a life that is somehow destined to be in the limelight. (i.e. Jeffrey Dahmer - Mars quindecile North Node)
3.) The impact of the relationship with the mother may be a primary factor in the molding of character, demeanor, values, and ability to cope or not cope with life . (i.e. John F. Kennedy, Jr. - Moon quindecile North Node)

Synastry - If planets are in quindecile aspect, within the synastry of two horoscopes, it indicates obsessive/compulsive inclinations within that relationship. When both persons have natal quindecile(s) and there are quindecile(s) through synastry of the two horoscopes, the relationship dynamics may be overwhelmingly obsessive/compulsive. This inclination will not be nearly as powerful if those involved do not have quindecile(s) within their own natal horoscopes. If person "A" has natal quindecile(s), and person "B" doesn't, the obsession/compulsion within the relationship may be one-sided, with "A" focusing on "B".

For more information regarding this amazing aspect please refer to my book, of the same title, which was released by Llewellyn in March 2001.
http://www.widgetsworld.co.uk/articles.php?article=36

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posted November 27, 2005 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for this info!

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posted November 27, 2005 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fascinating article, thanks NM!!

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posted November 27, 2005 04:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very insightful read! Thanks for posting this article. I'm bookmarking the web page as well

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posted November 27, 2005 04:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, very informative

that takes a great balancing act

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posted November 27, 2005 05:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How interesting! My ASC falls on 15 Virgo. I also two quindeciles:

1) 10th house Mercury and 3rd house Neptune (actually that's 166 degrees - I suppose that would count)

2) MC and 3rd house Jupiter (165 exactly)

Do I get O/C when upset or traumatized? Hell yes. I'm like Miss Psycho-OCD Super Gem. LOL. Both of these quindeciles invlove my MC/10th house (in Gemini) and my 3rd (which is natally ruled by Scoprio). And if that's not scary enough, my Neptune's a fire singelton.

I've been really bad too, especially when I was younger and didn't understand my derpession, PTSD and Asperger's. I also put a lot of the O/C energy into my ambitions and creativity. After my trauma that caused my PTSD, I was obsessive about learning ot play music and learning music theory. I slept about 3-4 hours a night, because I was in high school, and then I would go hang with my friends, and then come home and studied music for 3 hours or until whenever I went to sleep. I played several different instruments, and learned differetnt styles of music too.

I also exercized obsessively after my trauma. My mom thought I was anorexic!

Here's another one, that's soooo fitting for O/C behavior invloving Gemini and/or the 3rd house: I used to, when I was upset, obsessively buy books. I have my own library now. The last time I moved, boxes of books took up half the spaceint eh moving van! I know I used my book collecting as a security blanket. I feel very "protected" surrounded by bookshelves crammed with books.

I've curbed that habit now, because it was such a strain on me financially. Now I allow myself to collect only specific books.

Thank for the article Neptune's Muse!

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posted November 27, 2005 10:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting! Thanks for the info!

Does having a planet at 15 degrees of Virgo or Libra mean anything in itself? I've got Saturn at 14 degrees of Libra...

I've also got Moon quindecile Venus (like Liberace!), Ascendant quindecile North Node, and Imum Coeli quindecile Jupiter.

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posted November 28, 2005 10:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, some astrolgers pay no mind to this, but others believe that the degree that corresponds with a specific aspect shares that aspect's basic essence and will impart that essence on any body or point falling on that degre. However, this needs to be exactly on the degree. I might quibble and say only from 14.5 to 15.5 degrees would count, although many astrolgers just round anything int he 14th deegree up to to 15 regardless.

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posted November 28, 2005 10:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph


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Well, some astrolgers pay no mind to this, but others believe that the degree that corresponds with a specific aspect shares that aspect's basic essence and will impart that essence on any body or point falling on that degre


Can you name some other degrees that correspond to certain aspects?

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posted November 29, 2005 02:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the Moon/Mars quindecile. It's easily one of the strongest aspects at work in my chart. Its influence is felt every moment.

Quindeciles also add an obsessive and/or compulsive quality to a relationship when they occur in synastry. I could write an essay on this subject, but that would require bumping the stalker thread!

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posted November 29, 2005 10:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have several quindeciles in my natal chart:

sun quindecile uranus/AC
mercury quindecile pluto
saturn quindecile neptune

i have actually been diagnosed with OCD, and taken meds for it. i also have tourette's syndrome (TS) which is associated with OCD.

i'm definitely obsessed with health, my sun's in the 6th house (sun q uranus/AC). i'm very conscious of my diet (i do not eat sugar and i stay away from saturated fats as much as possible).

im also obsessed with language and meaning (mercury q pluto). i choose my words very carefully, and i eat up any books on semantics and vocabulary (like the tyranny of words or that book by william f. buckley jr. on vocab, i forget the name of it).

my last relationship had a couple of quindeciles in synastry, the most notable one was our moons quindecile each other exactly. had some obsessive overtones, definitely.

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Neptune's Muse
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posted November 30, 2005 05:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, those of you who got their quindeciles aspects, did you calculate them manually or is there an option on astro.com?

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posted November 30, 2005 10:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, found it! Was just confused with the multiple Qs.

I defy astrology, not one single Quindecile, and I am full of obsessions!

I wonder how it would feel like if a couple have Quindecile from PLUTO (God of quindecile energy) to moon, venus and mars, astrological scenario: A's Pluto conjunct B's Moon and opposite their Venus, then B's Pluto quindecile A's Venus and Mars!

I can only begin to imagine...hmmmmm!

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posted November 30, 2005 12:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear nm,

astro.com actually doesnt figure quindeciles, the Q they list in their aspectarians refers to the quintile.

i figured my quindeciles on my own...here is a way to figure them out:

convert each planet to a number. take the sign and degree it is in and go by the following guide.

aries 0
taurus 30
gemini 60
cancer 90
leo 120
virgo 150
libra 180
scorpio 210
sag 240
cap 270
aqua 300
pisces 330

let's take my sun and uranus as an example since they are quindecile to each other. my sun is at pisces 28 and my uranus is at libra 12. to convert my sun to a number, check the number above next to pisces, that's 330, add 330 + 28 (the number of degrees that my sun is at), that's 358. uranus is 12 libra, so look to libra there and see that 180, add 180 + 12. that's 192. now to find the number of degrees they are apart just subtract 358 from 192. that's 166, a quindecile with a 1 orb.

i figure quindeciles have about a 1 orb, i have tha book that the article posted came from, it's a good one and i think the suggested orb is up to 2. i would stick to 1 unless the lights are involved.

hope this helps!

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posted December 01, 2005 03:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chrissmygreen,

Thank you so much for your elaborate reply!

Right, I will start delving into my obsessions...

love,

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posted September 15, 2010 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My quindeciles are involved in midpoint configs. Maybe that's why I feel them so strongly? Hitting me on two fronts?

Venus QD Juno
Pluto = Venus/Juno

Pluto QD Dsc
Juno = Pluto/Dsc

Ceres QD Pluto
Venus = Ceres/Pluto

The sets all include Pluto. Cuz the quindecile alone isn't obsessive enough.

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Thank you Neptune's Muse for that interesting topic. Difficult to get infos on the quindecile!
Do you have any experience with quindeciles in composite or davison charts? I have a sun quindecile moon in both composite and davison with a friend. Could you please help me how to interpret that?
Thanks a lot!
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I have Jupiter QD Neptune
and Neptune QD Ascendant

1.) ASCENDANT (ASC) - Possible obsession with one's looks, physical body or relationships. Characteristics of the aspecting planet are focused through how the individual presents him/herself.

Fascinating. This may be part of the reason why I feel neptune so strongly. Besides the Jupiter/Neptune quindecile and Neptune square Midheaven in Pisces.

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bump --interesting

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But for the long run, maybe it is better to have no quindeciles of personal planets in synastry, as it is easier to find peace in a relationship in this way.

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