posted December 03, 2005 07:39 AM              

I'm new to this forum and was wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding the interpretation of the data Astrodienst gave me, especially the aspects - there are so many of them, and some seem to indicate things which apparently contradict the meaning of other aspects, so what would be the most important things to look for?

Also, I've noticed that there's a lack of air in my chart, and while it's definitely true that I'm generally not much of a talker, not a "people's person", I've always been very good at writing and studying, especially when it comes to learning foreign languages (English is not my mother tongue). Any indication for that in the chart?

And, another question: While I've found that I generally tend to get along best with earth or water signs, someone I've liked very much (in a special, though strictly platonic, way)has a Gemini sun (on the Taurus-Gemini cusp, though more Gemini than Taurus) and Aquarius moon. Is there any chance at all of making this friendship last, despite the fact that neither our suns nor our moons seem to point to any resemblance in character? (It's true we're very different in a lot of ways, though I believe there is actual affection there from both sides, is this possible despite incompatibility of both suns and moons? The rest of the planets seem to be much more compatible, but is that "enough"?)

I'd be very happy about any thoughts/ideas you may have! Thanks a lot!

Here's my chart info:

Sun Cancer 18°05'19 07 direct
Moon Virgo 16°24'34 09 direct
Mercury Leo 12°12'51 08 direct
Venus Leo 28°26'02 08 direct
Mars Virgo 15°07'20 09 direct
Jupiter Cancer 17°53'05 07 direct
Saturn Leo 28°13'16 08 direct
Uranus Scorpio 12°21'52 11 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 16°07'14 01 retrograde
Pluto Libra 13°58'25 09/10 direct
Pluto is technically near the end of house 9 and is interpreted in house 10.
True Node Virgo 29°17'44 09 retrograde

posted December 03, 2005 11:41 AM              

I agree with Alice, only adding that it should be in the format:
Month Day, Year
XX:XX AM or PM
City Province/County State/Country

Adding on,

posted December 03, 2005 11:42 AM              

I agree with Alice, only adding that it should be in the format:
Month Day, Year
XX:XX AM or PM
City Province/County State/Country

Adding on,

Tim

posted December 03, 2005 12:39 PM              

Thanks for your replies!

Okay, I'll add the data, then. The main reason why I didn't provide this info in the beginning is that I've kind of got a love-hate relationship with astrology: While on the one hand, it fascinates me and makes me want to learn as much about it as I can, I at the same time tend to think that I should be doing more "useful" things instead of "wasting" time with "esoteric" stuff...
Also, I'm a little bit afraid that people who know me might read this post, though chances of that happening are probably rather small. (Not many people know of my interest in astrology, and I admit that I'm sometimes somewhat embarrassed about it.)

I was born July 10, 1978, at 6.20 PM in Kevelaer, Germany. (Astrodienst does have Kevelaer in its database, even though it's only a small town in West Germany. The next big town/city would be Dusseldorf, just in case you're using a source that doesn't include smaller places.)

I must say that I've already read a lot about astrology on the web, as well as borrowed some books from the local library a while back, but I still tend to feel that there's just "too much" to birthcharts (especially when they have as many aspects as mine does) for someone who's not an expert (the more I read, the more complex it seems to become) to be able to really pay attention to every single detail. Also, different sources appear to sometimes provide quite different information on the same themes/aspects.

As I'm writing this, one more question comes to mind: I've got nearly all of the planets in the upper half of the chart, which supposedly means I should be outgoing or something like that, though in fact the exact opposite applies to me (with the exception of people that I feel comfortable around and whom I really trust, but those are few in number, and I usually don't get to that point easily). Does that mean that the division "upper half/lower half of the chart" in itself is perhaps not such a reliable indication of a person's nature?

Again, thanks a lot for any kind of help, I really appreciate it! Please feel free to write any comments that come to mind, I already know that there are some aspects in my chart which would have to be described as "negative" rather than positive, and which don't exactly make me a person easy to get along with, so there's no need to protect my feelings, really. I prefer people being honest, even if that means hearing "not-so-nice" things (wonder if that might be my Sag ascendant at work, or maybe the eighth house placements, making me detest superficiality? ).

posted December 03, 2005 08:47 PM              

Thanks for posting your birth information!

As you indicated, since you have more planets on the top of your chart than at the bottom you are more an "outer world" person than an "inner world" person. This is not the same as "outgoing". It simply means that you are one who wants to get out of the house and into the world.

With more planets on the right side of the chart than on the left, you would be focusing on others. That means that you think first about the others around you before you think about yourself.

With almost all the planets in the top right of the chart, you tend to want to do things FOR others, to be helpful in some cases, to take charge in others, all to use what you know about others out in the outer world.

Finally, the reason you may be confused about all this is because you have Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) conjunct (energy is combined with) your Ascendant (self). Neptune creates its "spiritual" effect by dissolving the barriers around it. With Neptune conjunct your Ascendant, Neptune dissolves your self-awareness so that you may find it difficult to separate your own being from that of those around you.

This possibility of "personal dissolving" is increased since Neptune is sitting by itself in the chart (also known as a "Singleton") and so it is very strong and powerful in the chart.

One of the biggest challenges in your life is unaspected North node (future goals) focused in the 9th house (expansion, also wisdom). Since the North node is unaspected, it does not "connect in" to your chart, so you have a sense that you need to learn, but are not always clear on how or what to learn. Sagittarius (expansion, also wisdom) modifying Neptune increases this learning confusion.

However, you also have the ability to connect in with EVERYTHING and to know it ALL. You just may not be able to sort out all of the details!

One last thing, you have least aspected (strong energy) Saturn (duty, also restriction) conjunct (energy is combined with) Venus (relationships) so you may not "feel" relationships and may feel restricted in the few relationships you do "feel". However, you most likely are in many more relationships with others and touching many more people's lives than you think!

Charting,

Tim

posted December 05, 2005 10:22 AM              

Thanks a lot for your efforts!

I just typed a rather long reply to your post (mainly trying to explain to which extent I feel the things you mentioned apply/don't seem to apply to me), but something went wrong when trying to submit it, and everything was gone!

posted December 05, 2005 11:22 AM              

First of all, you need to go back to astrodienst and rerun your chart. Where it asks for "time zone", click "manual". Now cursor all the way down and click LMT. The conversion of clock time to Local Mean Time is a time-honored technique used by all older professionals, and it produces a more accurate chart.

Doing this, Placidus produces a
21 Sagittarius 25 Ascendant, and a
25 Libra 09 Midheaven.

RE: one of your questions. Your seventh house cusp is Gemini, so Gemini's provide a good mirror for you--actually showing you the part of yourself that you do not see--like your back.

That is something you really need because
1) Your Sun is intercepted--this means that you may have a sense of self, but you do not know what you "look like" to others. Not knowing what others see makes self-image very difficult to acquire.
2) You have Sagittarius on both your 12th and 1st houses, which shows an "unconscious Ascendant/self-image.
3) This is intensified because your Ascendant-ruler, Jupiter, although conjunct your Sun, is also intercepted.
One might wonder how you survived--except that, your Cancer-Capricorn interception marks you as a [very] Old Soul (with great survival skills, Mars conjunct Moon). You are fully capable of "surviving the (psychologically) unsurvivable."

The packed eighth house, especially Virgo and the placement of Leo in this house, suggest that your most important "flaw" is being too humble. Although "too much pride goes before a fall," "too much humility may do nothing at all."

Meanwhile, the combo of Sagittarius Rising and Jupiter conjunct the Sun shows one very Sagittarian, indeed. (which can be linked to knowing more than one language) You are much wiser than you know. This emphasis also accounts for your thirst for learning. The great theme of these placements is UNDERSTANDING. You want to understand a great deal and spend much time "figuring things out." I suspect that you also "understand" considerable bad behavior directed toward you by others. Use the Sagittarian travel theme to put some distance between you and these people.

KNOW THIS: When your life, or your identity are in danger the ONLY sensible thing to do is RUN!!!

As you cross into your 30s things will become more clear.

posted December 09, 2005 05:23 PM              

So, finally I'm trying my luck at a response to your post again (hopefully, this time it'll work ):

First, the upper half/lower half, left/right division: I'm still not sure I can identify with what this is supposed to mean, since I would describe myself as very much an "inner world person", I'm very introverted and tend to spend a lot of time "living in my head" instead of "out there". Also, I enjoy spending time home alone and don't go out half as much as would be expected of people my age.
There's perhaps but one big exception, namely my love of travel, especially to far-away places (one of the typical Sagittarian themes, thus, though my sun sign is said to be imbued with a certain wanderlust, too, if I'm correct there ).
As for "doing things for others to use the knowledge gained thus in the outer world", I'd hardly call myself more helpful than the average person, and my main focus definitely lies within, not without. You'd be surprised if you knew me in person...

Neptune on the Ascendant: It's true in a way that I don't have a very strong sense of Self - which shows, for instance, in the fact that, often, I would not have a clear-cut opinion on things, would instead answer with, "I don't know", "It's okay, I guess", etc., when asked by others what I think of a certain thing or circumstance. My self-esteem also tends to be rather low.
On the other hand, however, I've never been one to give in to peer pressure, have not smoked a single cigarette and never once been drunk in my life. If the boundaries between myself and others were really that fragile, it should be an easy thing for people to convince me to join all kinds of activities that are not "me", shouldn't it?

Concerning the unaspected North Node, I haven't reached a definite conclusion yet, but there may well be some truth to what you've written.

The one thing that most definitely applies to me, though, is the part about having Venus conjunct Saturn. I've done a little research on this particular aspect on the net, as well, and I can really identify with what is said about its effects when present in the natal chart.

posted December 09, 2005 05:48 PM              

Thanks a lot for your interpretation, too .

I didn't know very much about interceptions, but upon checking, I found that nearly everyone born along northern latitudes has got interceptions in their natal chart, wouldn't that automatically diminish their importance somehow?

I redid my chart at Astrodienst using LMT as you suggested, and this put five planets into the Eighth House instead of only three. Somehow I feel that the version where both the Moon and Mars were part of the Ninth House planets was more "me", having them both in the Eighth leaves me with less grounds for identification than did the common interpretations for having these planets in the Ninth house.

No offense intended, of course, but your sentence hinting at the possibility of there being any kind of threat to my life sounded a bit too dramatic to me, as did the part that "one might wonder how you survived at all". For I certainly haven't led an unusually dramatic life, haven't suffered any terrible abuse, and identity-wise - well, I may not be the most outspoken, not the most confident person in my daily dealings with people, yet at the same time I would clearly describe myself as "incorruptible", in that absolutely nobody and nothing could get me to do things that go against my morals, my perception of right or wrong, etc. .

posted December 09, 2005 06:15 PM              

One thing I have learned over years of studying astrology: I do not know as much about another person's life as they themselves do! If some of what I said was meaningful, then use it as you wish. If none of it was meaningful, then let it go and ignore it. All I can tell you is that the interpretations I give are basic astrology.

I would suggest, however, that a love of travel is NOT a characteristic of an "inner world" person (as I said, "...you are one who wants to get out of the house and into the world..."). An "inner world" person not only mentally lives in their "inner world" but also physically prefers to stay there. A person who travels is out IN the world, encountering others, experiencing things directly, something which "inner world" people don't, as a general rule, like at all to do.

As to focusing on others, your patient replies to both Alice and myself indicate you are at least a LITTLE aware of others around you. Your concern in this posting seems to be to understand how WE think rather than simply to continue with your own opinion of yourself. So "you think first about the others around you before you think about yourself" seems to make some sense here.

Whether or not you are someone who does for others, you might think about helping out those you know: helping them with assistance when they need it...whether they ask for it or not! Helping them by talking to them when they it seems like they are having a "bad day", even if they don't ask you to! This will both help the other person and get you out of your head and out into the world (where it sounds like you like to be! ;-) ).

Also, travel is the basis of knowledge. Not so long ago the best way to find out about events in distant places was to physically travel there and find out. So love of travel relates directly to a love of knowing about things.

Maybe in your case your chart doesn't indicate who you ARE right now, but it gives an interesting idea of some of the things you might BECOME if you decide to get out of living in your head and go out and live in the world. Travel more, either physically or by reading about going to far away places. Study distant cultures and then go there and meet them!

And, as to "peer pressure", if you WERE a believer in astrology ;-) , you would know that with Pluto (transformation, also power) conjunct (energy is combiend with) Midheaven (outer world), you don't let the outer world set your rules, you set your rules for the outer world!

So that's my explanation for some of the things I mentioned, but if it doesn't make sense to you, let me know! After all, as you know, we learn and develop our knowledge by reaching out to others!

Explaining,

Tim

posted December 09, 2005 08:13 PM              

You’ve made some very good points there. I’m actually smiling as I type this, having correctly guessed that you were going to cite the traveling as “counter-proof” to my claim of being an “inner world person” ! What you’re saying does make sense, of course, but it still feels strange to me that I, of all people, should have nearly NOTHING below the horizon in my chart. It makes me feel as if the chart were “upside-down” somehow, as though it would come much closer to actually representing “me” if it were turned by 180 degrees. In fact, the very first time I learned about the division of natal charts into hemispheres and so on, I honestly believed I must have misread/misunderstood something, seeing where the planets were placed in my chart, and what that supposedly meant!

Where “thinking about others first before thinking of myself” is concerned, I’ve got a little addition to make (something I did mention the other day, when what I had already typed got lost due to submission problems, I just forgot to mention it again this time): I have a tendency to worry too much about other people’s opinion of me. People keep telling me that I shouldn’t worry so much about what others think. That could somehow figure into focusing on others, I guess?

I liked the part you wrote about Pluto on the Midheaven !

As to your suggestion of traveling more: I DO travel a lot, and I’ve spent quite a bit of time in foreign countries! (Just recently spent a year in Japan, for example, combined studying with traveling there )

May I ask, just out of curiosity, if you feel that your own chart correctly describes your personality? You don’t have to give me the details, of course, just a general assessment as to whether you feel that your chart, interpreted from an astrological perspective, really IS “you”, or were there possibly any surprises in it for you, too?

posted December 10, 2005 08:25 AM              

Upon reading my reply to your post again, I feel that it may have sounded a little too "harsh" in a way. Also, I didn't at all comment on the things that I feel DO apply from your interpretation:

Not knowing what I look like to others is probably true, since I tend to either hold back too much, being afraid to "speak out" for my own beliefs when in the company of others, for fear of what it will make them think, or, alternatively, there are times when I am TOO blunt, not noticing (at least, not at the moment in question) that what I'm saying may be felt as undue criticism by the other person.
However, I'm wondering if anyone could ever REALLY know what they look like to others, could actually acquire a purely objective understanding of self. My (layman's) belief is that every single person in the world is seen differently by different kinds of people, and the person himself/herself has no means to know EXACTLY how the other person sees him/her or feels about him/her. After all, everything is subjective, in a way, including people's beliefs about themselves, how they perceive the dynamics between themselves and others, etc.

By the way, I just noticed that you wrote "one might wonder how you survived", not "...how you survived at all". Sorry for misquoting you.
One thing I hadn't thought of is that, maybe in your view of astrology, the part of surviving refers to past lives instead of the present one? For otherwise, I still can't seem to think of any things having happened to me that would have threatened survival, and I don't believe I'm at all good at repression, either, tending to retain much more in memory than I sometimes wish to (unpleasant memories, of course I do have them, though nothing potentially life-threatening, so this point kind of leaves me to wonder...).

Regarding the packed eighth house and the "flaw" of "being too humble", I doubt that many a person would object to a statement like this... As for me, personally, it seems true yet at the same time not quite, though it would take too long trying to explain in detail. (Well, one indication of my not being quite so humble may be found in openly stating some of my disagreements/doubts, perhaps..?)

You were definitely right in stating that I want to understand a great deal and spend much time "figuring things out", though again, who would say of themselves that they do NOT want to understand things? I've also kind of given hints to this circumstance in my previous post(s), I believe, and if someone didn't want to "figure things out", they would be unlikely to turn to astrology, wouldn't they

You've got me a little scared about the "considerable bad behavior" directed toward me by others, and the advice of running when either my life or identity are in danger, since, as stated before, my life is neither overly dramatic nor do I expect it to become in the near future, as far as I'm able to tell as of now. But, of course, one never knows, I guess...

posted December 11, 2005 12:39 AM              

If what I've said makes sense so far, then maybe astrology is starting to make at least a LITTLE more sense to you and make more sense in general. For instance, with Mercury (thinking, also daily work) trine (energy goes very easily with) Neptune (spirituality); astrology would indicate that there is a "spiritual" quality to your thinking that easily breaks down the barriers between people's minds and understands what they have to say...sometimes before the person fully understands it themself! That is, only IF there was something to astrology!

As you said very well:

quote:

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...I have a tendency to worry too much about other people’s opinion of me. People keep telling me that I shouldn’t worry so much about what others think...

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That DEFINITELY is what "focusing on others is all about." Also, it is linked into what I was talking about "doing for others." You are concerned what others think about you because you want to be sure you are in line with their way of believing thinking: in effect putting their thinking needs FIRST.

posted December 11, 2005 12:40 AM              

Planets focused in the 8th house (transformation, also power, control), indicate energies which give us the power to transform those around us. It can also be thought of as the ability to be "in control" of others. The 8th house is ruled by Pluto, so the Pluto rules apply here as well: are either IN control of others or ARE controlled by others.

Since the ultimate transformation is death, there is an association of the 8th house with death, and with your Mercury (thinking/daily work), there may be a tendency to think about death. But this also gives you the power to face thoughts of your own or others' death, which gives you a powerful perspective on the life and death process.

However, using this eighth house as a source of power to be gained is most likely to appeal to you (particularly with Pluto conjunct Midheaven in your chart! ). The biggest challenge in gaining this power is in realizing how you have the ability to structure (Saturn is also about structuring) relationships powerfully (8th house). It is in activating this powerful connection with others that you will finally realize the power of the eighth house.

As suggested, thinking about things YOU can do for OTHERS and then DOING them gives you power. For it is not the RECEIVER who gains the power, it is the GIVER who DECIDES what to give! I have a hunch you have always known this but maybe thought that it wasn't that important...but it IS. It is the key to unlocking your Pluto power!

As to my discovering chart, it was a revelation! Because I am FIERCELY analytical about myself, I recogized myself instantly! And as I learned more, I continued to recognize myself. So, for me, discovering astrology was a moment of instant understanding. It is not this way for everyone. But I have discovered that people talk and live their own chart...even if they are not always aware of it!

Preaching "more powerful to give than receive,"

Tim

posted December 11, 2005 06:35 PM              

I've kind of started to enjoy this discussion, I have to admit!

As for astrology making sense, there DOES seem to be something to it, which is one reason why I'll perhaps never give up interest in the subject completely. Yet, it looks as though the "yes, but..."s and the "what if"s are forever going to remain as just as loyal companions.
My newest "doubt" manifests in that I just "experimented" with different house systems at Astrodienst, leading to quite different results. I didn't try all of them, but in one case, for instance, I ended up having but one planet in the eighth house, with LOTS of them in the ninth. What's your take on this one? Have you found certain house systems to be more effective than others, or is it basically "take whatever you like", until everybody finds something that they believe they can identify with best?

posted December 11, 2005 07:34 PM              

I also like to talk about astrology! And to answer questions about astrology!

I am a believer in using what works! Placidus is the most common house system and the one that Astrodienst uses as a default. I HAVE looked at my chart using other (i.e., non-Placidus) house systems, and they don't seem to work for me. It was doing Placidus charts for people that got me into astrology, and it is Placidus charts that I understand. So I am sticking with Placidus...especially since other people seem to understand me when I use this system to interpret their charts!

My suggestion is to use Placidus for ALL charts until you become comfortable with interpreting and understanding basic astrology. Then, if you want to change, you can always do so. Astrology can be confusing enough without us confusing ourselves more by changing house systems in the middle of our education!

Urging sticking to Placidus,

Tim

posted December 12, 2005 05:27 PM              

Okay, I'll stick with Placidus then.

Now I've got a few "random" questions for you, things that I've come to think about mainly through looking at other people's placements, rather than my own:

a) What effect does a natal Moon-Pluto opposition have on someone? I've read somewhere that it's supposed to give the moon a "Scorpionic" touch, is that true? Does it hold true even if the moon is in an air sign?

b) If someone's moon makes many aspects (trines, for the most part - involving Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune) to other planets in his/her natal chart, the moon being by far the most-aspected planet in that chart, would it tend to make the person more emotional than they would probably be without those aspects?

c) How about Sun quincunx Saturn, how would this aspect in a natal chart "feel" to the person, if the Sun is not involved in any other significant aspects to other planets?

d) Have you worked with dwads, and do you find them to be useful?

I hope you're not yet getting annoyed with my asking so many questions! If you are, please let me know! I realize, of course, that asking questions is always easier, and involves much less work, than actually answering them does...
Anyway, these are probably going to be the last questions from me for a while, though I sure hope you'll still be around if I choose to come back with more questions! You've been very helpful, thanks a lot!

posted December 12, 2005 07:36 PM              

I LIKE to answer questions, because that way I learn what people are interested in knowing! Of course, at some time a person has to actually stop and THINK about all the answers they have gotten...and I think you are at that point about now! And I will be happy to answer any more questions (if I know the answer to them! ) you might have.

You asked:

quote:

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a) What effect does a natal Moon-Pluto opposition have on someone? I've read somewhere that it's supposed to give the moon a "Scorpionic" touch, is that true? Does it hold true even if the moon is in an air sign?

b) If someone's moon makes many aspects (trines, for the most part - involving Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune) to other planets in his/her natal chart, the moon being by far the most-aspected planet in that chart, would it tend to make the person more emotional than they would probably be without those aspects?

c) How about Sun quincunx Saturn, how would this aspect in a natal chart "feel" to the person, if the Sun is not involved in any other significant aspects to other planets?

d) Have you worked with dwads, and do you find them to be useful?

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Pluto (transformation, also power) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Moon (home, also emotions) indicates someone who has great emotional power in themselves and over others. However, frequently these people don't own their energy and so OTHER people are emotionally controlling or somehow emotionally oppressing to them...until they discover how to get in touch with their own energy. Since Scorpio (transformation, also power) has the same "keyword" as Pluto, Pluto contacts give the planets they touch a "Scorpionic" effect. The Moon is not the issue...the Scorpionic Pluto is. So any planets conjunct Pluto will give Scorpio/Pluto-type energy to that planet.

b) If Moon (home, also emotions) receives many aspects, this will bring out the emotions in the person and encourage them to "connect in" (through the aspects) with the world in an emotional way.

c) Unaspected (strong energy) Sun (self-expression) quincunx (energy needs to be adjusted by) Saturn (duty), indicates that a person would feel a need to adjust their self-expression in some type of dutiful way. Since the person is not "in touch" with their own self-expression (Sun is unaspected), this would be a great challenge for them until they began to accept they DID have self-expression (even if they weren't aware of it).

d) I don't work with dwads.

Well, that's it! I hope all that gave you something to think about! If you come up with any other questions...post away!

Answering posts,

Tim

posted December 12, 2005 07:38 PM              

I LIKE to answer questions, because that way I learn what people are interested in knowing! Of course, at some time a person has to actually stop and THINK about all the answers they have gotten...and I think you are at that point about now! And I will be happy to answer any more questions (if I know the answer to them! ) you might have.

You asked:

quote:

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a) What effect does a natal Moon-Pluto opposition have on someone? I've read somewhere that it's supposed to give the moon a "Scorpionic" touch, is that true? Does it hold true even if the moon is in an air sign?

b) If someone's moon makes many aspects (trines, for the most part - involving Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune) to other planets in his/her natal chart, the moon being by far the most-aspected planet in that chart, would it tend to make the person more emotional than they would probably be without those aspects?

c) How about Sun quincunx Saturn, how would this aspect in a natal chart "feel" to the person, if the Sun is not involved in any other significant aspects to other planets?

d) Have you worked with dwads, and do you find them to be useful?

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posted December 12, 2005 07:39 PM              

Pluto (transformation, also power) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Moon (home, also emotions) indicates someone who has great emotional power in themselves and over others. However, frequently these people don't own their energy and so OTHER people are emotionally controlling or somehow emotionally oppressing to them...until they discover how to get in touch with their own energy. Since Scorpio (transformation, also power) has the same "keyword" as Pluto, Pluto contacts give the planets they touch a "Scorpionic" effect. The Moon is not the issue...the Scorpionic Pluto is. So any planets conjunct Pluto will give Scorpio/Pluto-type energy to that planet.

b) If Moon (home, also emotions) receives many aspects, this will bring out the emotions in the person and encourage them to "connect in" (through the aspects) with the world in an emotional way.

c) Unaspected (strong energy) Sun (self-expression) quincunx (energy needs to be adjusted by) Saturn (duty), indicates that a person would feel a need to adjust their self-expression in some type of dutiful way. Since the person is not "in touch" with their own self-expression (Sun is unaspected), this would be a great challenge for them until they began to accept they DID have self-expression (even if they weren't aware of it).

d) I don't work with dwads.

Well, that's it! I hope all that gave you something to think about! If you come up with any other questions...post away!

Answering posts,

Tim

posted December 17, 2005 12:04 PM              

Even though you won't admit it, you really DO care a WHOLE lot about what other people think about you. I see you as very much a role model. Maybe you sense that too, and this is why you are so cautious. Be careful with worrying too much, and let your hair down regularly. Find a way to keep from becoming too goody-goody, or you'll turn off the wacko's and weirdo's. (hee hee).