posted December 09, 2005 09:19 PM              

He's apparently not respecting your boundaries and you're going to need to step up and make a point to him. His self-centerness isn't going to allow him to get a clue that this behavior's bothering you. So you need to make it clear. Don't let any emotional displays or protestations intimidate you (unless he makes a threat - in which case threaten him back with a restrainign order). Just make your point to state your expectations of him, like "Please refrain for referring to me as your possession from now on."

If he fails to heed your reuquest to repsect your personal boundaries, *Then* you likely have a stalker. In which case, you simply need to put distance between you and him.

posted December 10, 2005 12:33 PM              

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If a Taurus has ever considered you "theirs", they'll always consider you theirs - even if that's no longer true.

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I have the bad habit of doing that. Ooopsy LOL.

He'll get over it.

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted December 10, 2005 04:06 PM              

*******..anyway...the thing is now he's been harassing my new bf. He's been saying things like: "Where's my girl? You better take care of my girl." and other name calling.*******

.. so he's not cracking a joke ... bit of fun .. .. how old is he ?? .. waz he drunk ?? .. just been rejected by someone ??? .. thinks he more of a 'man' than your current bf ?? ...

.. i reckon it be case of sexual jealeousy ( going only by your text .. )
.. in that it is what mr.t's usualy gets jealous over ..

.. i guess GN hit the nail on the head .. so to speak ..
.. never thought of T's just shade less self-centered and self-absorbed than Aries. ..
.. but have pondered the possibility .. and would agree with GN on that ..
.. find it hard to be objective thinking on it as i have venus in aries .. and have
thought of myself as 'self serving" on occassions .. not comfy with it ... ...
but then .. there is the survival instinct .. and T's being a rather primitive sign .. animalistic ..
.. primeval urges can take control ...

no i babble .. insomnia seems to be the order of the last few days .. .. the need to crash
draws ever closer .. posting whilst dazed .. not good idea

.. he has probably got some agro type transit on .. given the state of mars recently ..
.. possessiveness .. dunno .. i would maybe tie that in with some sort of emmotional insecurity ..

to be honest for info .. prob best to see his chart ( and yours i guess ) .. even without birth time or totaly accurate 'place'
.. you met him almost 3 years back ? ... well i'm starting to think down the line of a Saturn transit maybe ...
.. not done any sums to check it .. but it normaly goes thru a sign over 2/3 years .. but it has been doing its' retro business lately .. ... .. .. and with mars going thru T ... ... could be like "unfinished business" in his head .. or in other words the planets .. by transit .. could be pushing him around ...

does he drink booze ???
.. well whatever ... T's don't like to be seen as fools .. so once he realises he is making an donkey of himself ..
he may think that it would be a reasonable thing to do ( for himself .. i.e. work on the self absorbtion thingy ) .. i.e. walk away ... ... on the other hand he may feel his manhood has been dented .. he may feel his sexual prowess in question .. .. thru seeing you with your new guy .. ... so in order to convince himself he still "has it" as a guy ..
.. i guess that could be a reason ( in his mind) to provoke your man ...

sounds like a young insecure ferdi to me ...
tell him to stop being a donkey .. and that he is making a Fool of Himself .. and that in reality .. he aint worthy of your consideration ...

posted December 10, 2005 04:35 PM              

me too .. :-))
thing is once ferdi makes the decision to turn his or her back ..
.. it be awfully difficult for them .. in many cases .. to change their mind ...
.. even though .. inside .. a voice be screaming 'don't walk away' ..
.. it's like something else takes control .. like a brick wall appears out of nowhere ..

.. got "Stubborn B*s&%@d" .. graffiti'd all over it ... the wall .. that is ..
most times the wall gets bulldozed thru ... and ferdi ambles off into the moonrise ..

i guess there are those that are bit more flexible ... those that have learnt the big S lesson ..
.. be stupid type of bullish pride that gets in the way .. .. methinks ..

posted December 13, 2005 09:18 PM              

I am going to edit this post to be more focused on your problem.

One thing I noticed upon reflection is that the men in your life have been kind of macho, or at least in the past you were attracted to a macho man-Taurus, and Leo lead the pack in macho behaviour. It may be a good idea to avoid men that view the woman as someone to take care, because then you are trapped in that perception. Your Taurus probably thinks you can't live without him, or another man and a part of him is worried about you and doesn't know what to do.

It's as if macho men were taught that women can't take care of themselves, and superficially it's true we are weaker.

The reason I recommend a confrontation is because it will end any doubt that the door to your world is open so that way you can get on with your life. He will never stop pursuing you in his mind, or give you hints until you have made it plain you find him disgusting. Then he can go work on himself, which is better because he really has no love to give you.

It hurts to do it but you not your boyfriend ought to do the confrontation, because seeing your b/f wil just make him think you are being led by a man, again reinforcement of his beliefs.

Good Luck because having finished a relationship with a Gemini sun singleton who was almost exactly like a Leo, I can say macho men never give up trying to spite you, even if they have someone else, they are too childish to ever see as capable of being on your own. They simply do not love women the way that they should.

Natasha

posted December 15, 2005 03:40 PM              

short note : .. I just be looking at a chart for mid May 1973 ..
(btw: astrology note ... middle east war that year )

.. for folk born that year .. have transiting Pluto opposing their natal Saturn ..
and given the recent past movement of Pluto .. he just may be dealing with
a protracted Pluto transit .. .. .. he's got to give up those drugs ...
.. i mean .. you mentioned he's lost a fair bit already .. his business ...
.. there are no half measures with Pluto ...

(EDIT: actualy just rechecked .. tPluto be 4deg past that opposition
and doesn't return over that point .. .. but that Plu transit will no doubt
be connected to his losses ... .. when did the drugs thing start ?? )

and if per chance his drug addiction be cocaine ..
( i do seem to remember a prev. thread about him )
... then that is a mental addiction .. ie .. not physical
(unlike heroin .. nicotine .. or alchohol )

.. i.e with a bit of willpower it's easy to get rid of ...

.. maybe aquire his birthdate if possible ...
.. there is a potential that in his chart Uranus be conjunct to Mars ..

posted December 15, 2005 06:28 PM            

I was engaged to a Taurus (then had a few .... umm indiscretions with two other Bulls) and now I am seeing another Taurus (thank God this one has a Sag moon though) and well... they have all been very oral and very... very nicely endowed.

My ex-fiance says he is not possessive, but he is.. he used to tell me he "owned me" and even after we broke up he would still tease me about it.

Now he wants back in my life. He is trying hard and I have to admit I do still have feelings for him. Unlike your ex though, this guy is doing everything to get his life on track (no addictions at this time - but he did have quite a few predispositions and one habit). So we'll see how he fares. Luckily, he lives in another state now so he can't be as watchful as he would want to be should he get the urge.

However he did ask me to marry him again and wants to continue as if we didn't break up. He had made his mind up that we were going to get back together even BEFORE I moved out. Funny how Bull-men do that. He had to deal with his emotional issues, caused hell in my life and I finally left the relationship hating his guts. Only to find out that he knew what was going on but felt he needed to fix himself BEFORE trying to get things back on track. (Single minded some of these dudes can be.. - that sounded so Yoda). Anyway, he explained that he felt he could push on and that I would understand. That he would put just as much energy in getting me back as he did in getting his life straight. I was thinking "Hey... we were engaged.. don't you THINK we could have WORKED on it together.. or at least as a couple.. hmmmm????"

At this point he realizes that much has changed and he is not so happy about the new Taurus.

Even the new one shows signs of possessiveness, but not in that he see me as property. More he values our time spent together, but he has made it clear he is being patient in dealing with my "dating period". I am sure his Sag moon identifies with my Sag Sun / Aries Moon and Venus in Sag. .... But he has also said that he knows the perfect man for me... "him". LOL...

There are several possessive signs and prominent planetary positions in the zodiac. I can't say all Bull men and women are possessive, but those that are can sometimes look at people as prized possessions. Which isn't too bad if they are also the wonderful bulls that VALUE their possessions and do everything possible to take care of them. I knew a Taurus rising / Virgo sun that was exactly like that. I never felt like his property..

I like what GN said to you.. .Tell the guy right out to take a hike and keep his trap shut. Sometimes you need to be firm with these guys.. oh and don't fall for the old... Big moony eyed look of devastation.. they get away with that FAR too often. LOL

Good Luck

posted January 03, 2006 03:31 PM            

Hey I like this: Taurus, as a fixed sign, don't handle changes as well as mutant or even cardinal signs

Never thought of Gems, Virgos, Saggies and Pisces as Mutants before, but, well....

posted January 12, 2006 01:30 PM            

I think you already said it yourself. You don't need this.. why put yourself through the drama?

I was caught in the same thing. With my ex telling me again and again how much he still loves me and wants me back. He had made many disparaging remarks about the other Taurus in my life (who is now not in my life do to circumstances beyond our control).

For a moment I thought about getting back together with the ex Taurus. Then I started seeing his old patterns coming back to light. Things don't change unless a person is willing to change. Going back means taking the chance on being in the same situation unless both people are willing to work on what broke them up in the first place.

It doesn't sound like you were all that happy with the new beau and you didn't seem to know where you stood with the ex. Can you go back to either situation and feel a sense of comfort? At this point, do you feel, even with all the angst, a bit of relief from not having to deal with either situation?

I am watching a friend go through the same ordeal that I was with my ex. My friend wants to see if things can work, but like me, they will find that the things that drove you away in the first place are still there. My ex's old compulsions and addictions will come back.. I am seeing them surface again.

Do I want to go back to a situation where lying, emotional blocks and potential violence will arize? Nope... my life is good and I don't have that gut wrenching fear of wondering where I stand with this person or if they will suddenly turn on me if I do not conform to what they want.

Hell.. the ex pursued me hard and still does.. but now he thinks he can start using certain things to keep me in order. He has even hinted that if I should choose to come back, my cats would be a problem. LOL.... this after he told me that he loved me cats and they were welcome.

Things don't really change.

Find yourself, find what makes you happy and embrace the time you have on your own.. then you will find that person when you least expect it. He will be someone that will love you for you and NOT treat you like property and not create this drama in your life.

Ahhh.... semi wise words spoken from me.... the Saggie.. or as one would say.. the Mutant sign LMAO.. hee hee...