posted December 15, 2005 06:40 PM              

Me: July 3, 1987 Santa Clara, California 12:45 AM

Him: July 18, 1987 Mostar, Bosnia & Herzegovina 1:50 PM

posted December 16, 2005 01:45 AM            

Your emotional needs are at odds with each other, as are the ways in which you both express your
emotions, making emotional communication difficult. The challenge is to allow enough space in the
relationship for both of you to get your individual needs met. That is the high road. Even if you have
learned to accommodate for these differences, it is still wise to allow some time apart on a daily
basis so you can drop into that place of just being yourself.

secretgarden's Venus conjunct him's Venus:

Your values and tastes in life are in harmony and this makes it easy to enjoy each other's company.
From music, to food, to love's sweet embrace, you find many ways to enjoy your life together.

secretgarden's Ascendant square him's Ascendant:

Your attitudes about approaching most everything conflict with each other. To have a healthy
relationship, you both are forced to stretch your acceptance of these differences to offset the
tendency to get irritated with each other.

secretgarden's North Node trine him's North Node:

Your paths for soul growth in this life naturally support one another. Your histories also lead to a
sense of familiarity with each other. You are interested in each other's stories from the past and
ideas for future growth.

him's Sun conjunct secretgarden's Mercury:

Communication and a natural understanding of each other are favored. You "get" each other and
readily resolve the natural conflicts that arise in relationships. You stimulate each other's mental
activity and readily learn from each other.

him's Sun conjunct secretgarden's North Node:

him naturally supports a path for secretgarden that is growth-oriented and food for the soul. It
doesn't mean you are always comfortable with each other; in fact, sometimes it can feel like a
stretch into the unfamiliar, but it is a healthy growth-oriented stretch that you encourage in each
other.

secretgarden's Sun trine him's Pluto:

The relationship feels safe, as feelings of threat drop away when you are together. You are there
for each other when destiny calls to lend strength. You help each other stay on track with your
higher purpose in life.

secretgarden's Sun opposition him's Neptune:

It is not likely that you see each other clearly. Neptune is the blind spot, and when challenging the
Sun, you can lead each other into illusions. him sees qualities that may, or may not, be in
secretgarden. secretgarden can look at him as being totally ungrounded in reality.

him's Sun opposition secretgarden's Moon:

secretgarden has a difficult time being emotionally at ease around him. This dynamic tension can
manifest as rational arguments over emotional issues. him doesn't feel nurtured and secretgarden
doesn't feel understood or at ease. The relationship functions best with some time apart in the daily
schedule.

him's Sun opposition secretgarden's Saturn:

him feels the hammer of secretgarden's disapproval always close at hand. secretgarden gets
irritated with him's lack of responsibility. Projections abound between the two of you, and the wise
person sees the very qualities you dislike in each other as projections of unclaimed parts of your
own character. It takes character strength to deal successfully with this one; otherwise him can feel
disapproved of and secretgarden feels unappreciated.

secretgarden's Sun square him's North Node:

The relationship goes through periods where growth seems to be stalled and you pull each other
into past patterns. Are you going to support each other's growth, or hold each other to the past?

secretgarden's Moon conjunct him's Uranus:

This tie could be described as exciting and electric, but not comfortable. him liberates secretgarden
from the confines of past behavior patterns, but it is hard for secretgarden to ever feel fully
comfortable and secure around unpredictable him.

him's Moon conjunct secretgarden's Jupiter:

secretgarden has a knack for uplifting him's mood. him, of course, enjoys this, so a positive,
trusting relationship develops. him emotionally supports secretgarden's growth needs and
philosophical and religious interests.

him's Moon trine secretgarden's Mars:

him feels safe and protected by secretgarden's strength. secretgarden feels emotionally supported
in choices of action. You rarely trigger each other's defenses.

him's Moon square secretgarden's Saturn:

This tie is usually considered unfavorable for emotional relationships, unless secretgarden is mindful
of the excessive sensitivity him has to any disapproval. him's needs are judged as weak by
secretgarden and tend to go unmet.

him's Moon square secretgarden's North Node:

Your relationship could be characterized as "one step forward, two steps back," as you
periodically pull each other into past emotional patterns, and can feel threatened by each other's
growth.

him's Mercury conjunct secretgarden's North Node:

Your conversations and mental pursuits together naturally lead to each other's soul growth. You
can draw on each other for support and understanding in spiritual issues.

secretgarden's Mercury sextile him's Jupiter:

This aspect is very favorable for communication and mutual interests in continued learning. him's
philosophical outlook on life is expansive and uplifting to secretgarden. secretgarden engages him's
philosophical beliefs and helps plan movement toward goals.

secretgarden's Mercury square him's Saturn:

This aspect creates a challenge in maintaining easy, flowing communication with each other,
because secretgarden feels intimidated by him's judgments. This fear of disapproval restricts the
natural flow of conversation. There is a tendency to bring out each other's pessimistic and negative
attitudes. This can be compensated for, but there would have to be a rule: No criticizing each
other. Otherwise, this combination is a tough one.

him's Mercury square secretgarden's Jupiter:

Your learning styles are different enough that it makes it difficult to carry out intellectual projects
together without getting exasperated with each other. secretgarden is interested in growth that
doesn't interest him. him can seem narrow-minded and picky to secretgarden. Give space for your
different learning styles and interests to avoid conflict.

secretgarden's Venus conjunct him's Mars:

Strong sexual attraction is always present with this "cosmic glue" combination. Even when you're
upset with each other emotionally or mentally, your bodies would just as soon be hugging. The only
danger of this tie is taking this magnetism for granted and failing to cultivate the ongoing courtship
required to sustain the initial spark.

secretgarden's Venus trine him's Neptune:

This aspect brings a refined energy into your relationship, and you become sensitive to the subtle
realms of your energy with each other. A peaceful feeling flows between the two of you, and you
can enjoy the arts, music, and spiritual activities together.

him's Venus opposition secretgarden's Pluto:

Karmic patterns of manipulating each other in love, either through guilt or intimidation, must be
dealt with in your relationship. Strong passion can exist between the two of you, but intimacy will
elude you until you are both able to let go of control and surrender to the relationship.

secretgarden's Mars conjunct him's Ascendant:

This is a hot, intense, and potentially sexual combination. secretgarden is motivational, giving
backbone and courage to him. him admires the strength and courage of secretgarden secretgarden
will have to be careful not to be overly motivational/pushy. Shared physical activities are favored.

him's Mars trine secretgarden's Neptune:

This combination is excellent for romance as it brings the best of imagination into your passion. You
can inspire each other creatively in all types of ways, and the danger of the blind spot with Neptune
is minimized.

secretgarden's Mars opposition him's Neptune:

This is a difficult aspect because of its insidious qualities. The source of problems and conflicts
between the two of you is never obvious. As lovers, you can bring out a fascination for eroticism in
each other, but you are not each other's best counsel in making important decisions, as this aspect
brings out the worst of the blind spot phenomenon of Neptune aspects. Deception on one or both
of your parts is also a possible negative manifestation of this energy.

him's Mars opposition secretgarden's Pluto:

You are being tested with the right use of power in this relationship, and power conflicts erupt with
the slightest provocation on either of your parts. Taking martial arts training together would be a
good metaphor of your test. With this training you would learn that your power comes from staying
in your center, and not getting pulled into anger. This is no small trick in your relationship because
of the hair-trigger reactions you both have to conflict issues when either of you tries to change the
other in any way. You can bring out each other's shadow issues, and need to be willing to question
your motives in any plans you come up with together.

secretgarden's Jupiter trine him's Pluto:

You can support and take part in mutual interests in travel, education, philosophy, and mysticism.
You encourage each other to reach for goals that benefit society as well as yourselves.

secretgarden's Jupiter sextile him's Neptune:

Mysticism and philosophical exchanges are favored with this combination, and your discussions
help you both rise above the petty issues in life to gain a more inspired view.

him's Jupiter sextile secretgarden's Ascendant:

This aspect is favorable for most relationships as the two of you share common philosophical,
political, and religious beliefs, as well as cultural interests. It simply feels uplifting to be in each
other's company.

secretgarden's Jupiter square him's Uranus:

Although this combination promotes a great deal of excitement, you too easily encourage each
other into rash and even reckless behavior. There is an unfounded feeling of luck that encourages
risk taking that can be disastrous. Arguments can flair up over political and religious issues that you
are not likely to see eye to eye on.

him's Jupiter square secretgarden's Pluto:

There is an unconscious pattern of competition between the two of you, and you can goad each
other into grander and grander displays of one-upmanship. There can be a natural mistrust of each
other's moral and ethical values in how you approach goals.

secretgarden's Jupiter square him's Chiron:

Your beliefs and philosophical views clash with each other concerning health and healing issues.
Although not with malicious indent, secretgarden can encourage directions that hinder, rather than
help, him's healing process.

secretgarden's Saturn conjunct him's Uranus:

The best of this aspect is when you help each other to be innovative in how you handle worldly
responsibilities. You can assist each other in adapting to changes in the world and evolving your
careers to stay in line with your needs for discovery. The low road manifests when secretgarden
resists the innovative ideas of him, believing them to be unrealistic and irresponsible, and him judges
secretgarden as being stuck in convention and unwilling to experiment in life.

him's Saturn trine secretgarden's Neptune:

This aspect allows the two of you to handle worldly responsibilities with a sense of grace. him helps
bring form and structure to secretgarden's vision, and secretgarden inspires him to bring vision into
him's career. You can work well together in creative and spiritual pursuits with this combination.

him's Saturn square secretgarden's Chiron:

You tend to undermine each other's attempts to move beyond old wounds. You may make
judgments about each other's insecurities and fears, exacerbating the problem, rather than helping.
Be aware that advice you give is not likely to be well received; it is best to talk less and listen more
to each other's fears and insecurities.

secretgarden's Uranus conjunct him's Neptune:

There is a creative flow between secretgarden's intuition and him's ability to image. This sets up a
favorable flow of spiritual guidance that comes to the two of you spontaneously through
coincidences and sudden knowing.

secretgarden's Uranus sextile him's Pluto:

You support each other's big picture view of what you stand for in life. You can be creative allies in
supporting each other's efforts at transforming society through social action, or transforming
yourselves through deep spiritual work.

him's Uranus opposition secretgarden's North Node:

You carry the past-life karma of him having been a liberating, but unpredictable, influence in
secretgarden's past life. It is as if the two of you had a life-altering fling that awakened parts of you
that had been dormant, and then him disappeared or moved on. This makes secretgarden feel
excited and uneasy simultaneously.

secretgarden's Uranus square him's North Node:

This aspect presents the challenge of accepting each other's decidedly different views on what
constitutes a growth-oriented path. him views secretgarden as being totally unpredictable and
unreliable, while secretgarden thinks it important to shock him into awakening from not seeing the
big picture.

secretgarden's Neptune opposition him's Ascendant:

A lack of clarity between the two of you can cloud the relationship. You likely misinterpret each
other, and difficulties arise over illusions that one or both of you have about each other and the
relationship. Honesty is essential, even if conflict erupts; better to deal with the issues and stay clear
than to pretend there aren't any issues and remain in illusion.

secretgarden's Pluto trine him's Ascendant:

You support the deepest type of spiritual transformation in each other and can be a source of
hidden strength for each other.

secretgarden's North Node conjunct him's Chiron:

This fortunate aspect leads to shared experiences that are healing for secretgarden and that lead to
soul growth for him. You two may come up with unique contributions in understanding the role of
spiritual practices in the healing process.

him's North Node square secretgarden's Chiron:

posted December 16, 2005 01:49 AM            

It is easy to understand each other, as your minds work in similar styles. Making decisions together
is supported, and when communication difficulties do arise, they are readily resolved when there is
the intention to do so.

ceci's Jupiter conjunct HIM's Jupiter:

You will have plenty of opportunities to find mutually rewarding activities. Your philosophies about
living life support one another. Traveling, education, and spiritual explorations all provide avenues
of growth for the relationship.

ceci's Saturn conjunct HIM's Saturn:

There are no dominance and submission issues between the two of you, because you have
absolutely equal power to stand up to each other. You will have to negotiate all issues between the
two of you, as neither of you will allow the other to get away with any power trips. You can be
very supportive and helpful toward each other in times of challenge, because your strategies of
dealing with difficult situations are right on track with each other.

ceci's North Node conjunct HIM's North Node:

Your soul paths are on the same track--where you have been in previous lives and what is
growth-oriented for you in this life is the same for both of you. You have natural empathy for each
other's history, and a good sense of what is in each other's best interest.

ceci's Chiron conjunct HIM's Chiron:

You are naturally empathic toward each other's deep sensitivities and support each other's efforts
toward healing.

ceci's Sun conjunct HIM's Mercury:

Communication and a natural understanding of each other are favored. You "get" each other and
readily resolve the natural conflicts that arise in relationships. You stimulate each other's mental
activity and readily learn from each other.

ceci's Sun conjunct HIM's Venus:

This is one of the sweet ties in relationship astrology, leading to natural affection and simply
enjoying being in each other's company. If it's not a romantic relationship, the arts and cultural
opportunities are a few of a multitude of ways to share and enjoy life with each other. The natural
magnetic flow of attraction that exists between the two of you makes it easier to overlook each
other's shortcomings.

HIM's Sun conjunct ceci's Mars:

This tie is extremely intense and often confrontational. It is passionate, without a doubt, and very
favorable in some arenas, but arguments and battles of wills can be passionate as well. If you can't
take the heat, get out of the kitchen, with this one. You can inflame each other, and without
restraint or healthy outlets, things could turn bad.

ceci's Sun trine HIM's Pluto:

The relationship feels safe, as feelings of threat drop away when you are together. You are there
for each other when destiny calls to lend strength. You help each other stay on track with your
higher purpose in life.

HIM's Sun sextile ceci's Ascendant:

You enjoy and support each other's outlook on life, making it enjoyable to spend time together.
Your personalities mix well.

ceci's Sun opposition HIM's Neptune:

It is not likely that you see each other clearly. Neptune is the blind spot, and when challenging the
Sun, you can lead each other into illusions. HIM sees qualities that may, or may not, be in ceci.
ceci can look at HIM as being totally ungrounded in reality.

HIM's Sun square ceci's Jupiter:

You can encourage excessiveness in each other, one way or another. ceci may try to encourage
HIM to grow and expand in ways that are not appropriate. This is motivational for individuals who
do not want to settle for complacency and, instead, reach for more of what life has to offer, but
watch out for grasping.

ceci's Sun square HIM's North Node:

The relationship goes through periods where growth seems to be stalled and you pull each other
into past patterns. Are you going to support each other's growth, or hold each other to the past?

HIM's Moon conjunct ceci's Jupiter:

ceci has a knack for uplifting HIM's mood. HIM, of course, enjoys this, so a positive, trusting
relationship develops. HIM emotionally supports ceci's growth needs and philosophical and
religious interests.

HIM's Moon trine ceci's Neptune:

An empathic rapport between the two of you is likely. ceci helps HIM rise above petty issues, and
HIM helps ceci stay in touch with personal feelings.

HIM's Moon opposition ceci's Pluto:

HIM can feel threatened, unsafe, and powerless to withstand ceci's will. A healthy relationship can
develop only if ceci can remain conscious of the potential misuse of this power of intimidation.
Otherwise, the potential for unhealthy psychological patterns to develop between the two of you is
strong.

ceci's Moon opposition HIM's North Node:

This points to the likelihood of strong family karma from past lives impacting your relationship.
Something akin to deja vu starts the relationship off on a strong note, but it is difficult to pull out of
the past and keep growing in your relationship. ceci can feel drained by HIM's needs unless you
both stay vigilant to a path of growth and overcoming past behavior patterns.

ceci's Moon square HIM's Mercury:

Communication over emotional issues is difficult. ceci reads meaning into HIM's words that wasn't
intended. HIM has difficulty understanding ceci's emotional needs. Rational arguments over
emotional issues are likely. Words often don't help in clearing up misunderstandings; try silence . . .
look into each other's eyes, silently communicate your intent to get through the issue, hold each
other . . . it works.

ceci's Moon square HIM's Uranus:

ceci tends to feel threatened by HIM's independence and need for freedom, while HIM feels
encumbered by ceci's emotional needs.

ceci's Moon square HIM's Neptune:

It is not likely that you see each other clearly. You can imagine qualities in each other that don't
exist, or pull each other into escapist behavior, or feed each other's fears. Absolute honesty,
including avoiding "dishonesty by omission," is required for a healthy relationship.

HIM's Moon square ceci's Mars:

This aspect often leads to a stormy emotional tie. HIM is always on edge and feels threatened by
ceci's energy. HIM's emotional responses irritate ceci. Without restraint, this can be a wounding
combination.

ceci's Moon square HIM's Chiron:

HIM's attempts to help ceci get through difficult times are not well received. Past wounds make it
difficult to establish emotionally close ties, until you both stretch your ability to be compassionate
for each other's issues.

ceci's Mercury conjunct HIM's Venus:

This creates a stimulating spark in your exchanges as you both enjoy each other's personality. ceci
communicates in a way that HIM enjoys, and thus friendship and romance are favored. Creative
outlets are also favored, although any relationship and any activity would benefit from this delightful
combination.

ceci's Mercury trine HIM's Pluto:

This tie is favorable for pursuing mental activities together, and you feel safe with each other in
taking conversations to a deep, intimate level. You likely feel comfortable revealing personal
secrets to each other.

ceci's Mercury opposition HIM's Neptune:

Your communication with each other can become clouded by confusion, mostly over what was not
said. Fact and fantasy blur. It may not be clear what was said and not said, what is true or not true;
these types of issues cause the confusion. Absolute honesty is required to avoid these pitfalls.

ceci's Mercury square HIM's North Node:

This push-pull combination impacts the communication patterns in the relationship. You periodically
support each other's growth, and periodically pull each other back to things that were said in the
past. Extra effort is required to learn from your challenges and move on; otherwise, haunting issues
from the past can pull the relationship down.

ceci's Venus conjunct HIM's Chiron:

Your values, appreciation for beauty, and capacity to receive love are fertile ground for healing for
HIM. The activities that you enjoy together naturally lead to soul growth for both of you. You can
be drawn to the arts and creative expression as a method for healing.

ceci's Venus trine HIM's Ascendant:

This is a highly magnetic and sweet combination. ceci is very attracted to HIM's looks and style. It
is easy to love one another, and interests in the arts, entertainment, and culture are favored.

ceci's Venus sextile HIM's Jupiter:

The friendship between the two of you flows naturally and you encourage movement toward
refinement in each other's life. The arts, culture, philosophy, and socializing together are all favored.

ceci's Venus opposition HIM's Uranus:

HIM feels constrained by ceci's values and attitudes about relationships. ceci's security is
threatened by HIM's need for freedom. There can be sexual magnetism that comes from the
fascination of something different, but your tastes being so different would be a test.

HIM's Mars trine ceci's North Node:

You keep each other current with the times and on track with your soul growth. You give each
other courage to move forward, away from the path of least resistance and toward growth.

ceci's Mars square HIM's Jupiter:

Although not a hostile aspect, you can provoke a competitive reaction in each other. You tend to
exacerbate each other's issues with impatience and rash behavior. Arguments could flare up over
differences in political and religious views. It would be helpful to weave some healthy, playful
competition into your relationship to vent this dynamic energy.

HIM's Mars square ceci's Pluto:

You are being tested with the right use of power in this relationship, and power conflicts erupt with
the slightest provocation on either of your parts. Taking martial arts training together would be a
good metaphor of your test. With this training you would learn that your power comes from staying
in your center, and not getting pulled into anger. This is no small trick in your relationship because
of the hair-trigger reactions you both have to conflict issues when either of you tries to change the
other in any way. You can bring out each other's shadow issues, and need to be willing to question
your motives in any plans you come up with together.

ceci's Mars square HIM's Ascendant:

Conflicts erupt when HIM feels picked on or badgered by ceci Conversely, ceci becomes irritated
by HIM's approach to situations.

ceci's Jupiter trine HIM's Uranus:

This motivates the two of you to look for growth beyond your relationship together. You support
each other's independent views and opinions, encouraging each other to constantly expand on your
experiences and learn from life. Travel, education, and spiritual growth are all favored.

ceci's Jupiter sextile HIM's Chiron:

You learn from your relationship how important a person's philosophy and beliefs are in terms of
the creating and healing of wounds. Through this firsthand experience, you may be drawn to
teaching others how to liberate their relationships by changing their beliefs.

ceci's Jupiter opposition HIM's Ascendant:

Many disagreements can erupt because your basic beliefs about so many life issues are at odds
with each other. These arguments aren't so hot as to be threatening, with Jupiter involved, but HIM
can experience ceci 's beliefs about education, religion, and politics to be way off base.

ceci's Saturn conjunct HIM's Uranus:

The best of this aspect is when you help each other to be innovative in how you handle worldly
responsibilities. You can assist each other in adapting to changes in the world and evolving your
careers to stay in line with your needs for discovery. The low road manifests when ceci resists the
innovative ideas of HIM, believing them to be unrealistic and irresponsible, and HIM judges ceci as
being stuck in convention and unwilling to experiment in life.

ceci's Uranus opposition HIM's Chiron:

Here, we have two rebels with two different causes. An example would be two people who both
rebelled against traditional health care and found their own, but different, alternative paths. Until
you can honor these differences, the tendency to look at each other's path as eccentric at best, and
as having little merit, will certainly be felt as challenging.

ceci's Neptune sextile HIM's Pluto:

Your interactions with each other invariably help you both rise above the petty, lower currents of
reality. If you attempt to meditate together, you will feel as if you are being lifted up on unseen
wings.

ceci's Neptune square HIM's North Node:

You are working through karmic patterns of deception and the tendency to lead each other down
paths that ultimately lead to disillusionment. It is important for both of you to compensate for this
potential blind spot in your relationship by checking within your own heart of hearts for clarity
before following each other's lead.

HIM's Ascendant trine ceci's Chiron:

posted December 16, 2005 08:07 PM              

Me- Gem
Him- SM

Thanks!

posted December 16, 2005 10:00 PM            

This combination leads to a strong sense of recognition, a feeling of something deeply familiar. It is
one of the best ties for friendships and working relationships. However, for romantic relationships,
it is important not to take each other for granted--too much familiarity is a sure killer of magnetism.

gemstar's Venus conjunct SM's Venus:

Your values and tastes in life are in harmony and this makes it easy to enjoy each other's company.
From music, to food, to love's sweet embrace, you find many ways to enjoy your life together.

gemstar's Ascendant trine SM's Ascendant:

Your approaches to life are in harmony with each other, making it enjoyable and easy to spend
time together. You both feel supported in your outlook on life.

gemstar's Sun conjunct SM's Mercury:

Communication and a natural understanding of each other are favored. You "get" each other and
readily resolve the natural conflicts that arise in relationships. You stimulate each other's mental
activity and readily learn from each other.

SM's Sun conjunct gemstar's Mars:

This tie is extremely intense and often confrontational. It is passionate, without a doubt, and very
favorable in some arenas, but arguments and battles of wills can be passionate as well. If you can't
take the heat, get out of the kitchen, with this one. You can inflame each other, and without
restraint or healthy outlets, things could turn bad.

gemstar's Sun trine SM's Neptune:

There is a natural intuitive flow between the two of you that is quite comfortable. You can be
drawn to understand the subtle realms together through meditation and spiritual practices. You
empower each other's faith in listening to the "still quiet voice within."

gemstar's Sun opposition SM's North Node:

There can be something deeply familiar about each other when you first meet, as if you are picking
up where you left off. Although the familiarity leads to the likelihood of some type of relationship, if
you don't encourage new growth in each other, the relationship can wither from its own
redundancy.

SM's Sun square gemstar's Saturn:

SM feels the hammer of gemstar's disapproval always close at hand. gemstar gets irritated with
SM's lack of responsibility. Projections abound between the two of you, and the wise person sees
the very qualities you dislike in each other as projections of unclaimed parts of your own character.
It takes character strength to deal successfully with this one; otherwise SM can feel disapproved of
and gemstar feels unappreciated.

SM's Sun square gemstar's Uranus:

This tie creates a strong fascination, but is considered unstable. Your wills can clash over the
slightest of issues, as you both absolutely resist either of your attempts to take charge in the
relationship. The relationship requires a great deal of freedom to make room for this aspect.

SM's Sun square gemstar's Pluto:

Power struggles are likely to erupt unless both of you stay vigilant for any attempts by the other to
control the relationship in any way. SM can feel that gemstar is always pulling strings trying to get
something. gemstar can feel as if SM is always challenging gemstar's authority.

SM's Sun square gemstar's Chiron:

Your natural instincts for helping each other through wounding times can be off target. Try not to
judge each other's wounds and, instead, see what you can do to offer support, even if your ways
of dealing with wounds are radically different.

gemstar's Moon conjunct SM's Jupiter:

SM has a knack for uplifting gemstar's mood. gemstar, of course, enjoys this, so a positive, trusting
relationship develops. gemstar emotionally supports SM's growth needs and philosophical and
religious interests.

gemstar's Moon conjunct SM's Uranus:

This tie could be described as exciting and electric, but not comfortable. SM liberates gemstar
from the confines of past behavior patterns, but it is hard for gemstar to ever feel fully comfortable
and secure around unpredictable SM.

SM's Moon conjunct gemstar's Chiron:

A natural empathy and sensitivity exists between the two of you over wounds that you experienced
in the past. You support each other's emotional healing from these wounds and nurture each other's
compassion for others.

SM's Moon trine gemstar's Mercury:

Communication over personal issues is favored. You can always depend on each other for
understanding when needed, and this brings clarity into your lives.

SM's Moon trine gemstar's Jupiter:

gemstar has a knack for uplifting SM's mood. SM, of course, enjoys this, so a positive, trusting
relationship develops. SM emotionally supports the growth needs and the philosophical and
religious interests of gemstar.

SM's Moon trine gemstar's Neptune:

An empathic rapport between the two of you is likely. gemstar helps SM rise above petty issues,
and SM helps gemstar stay in touch with personal feelings.

SM's Moon trine gemstar's Ascendant:

You feel at ease and comfortable in each other's presence. This relaxed flow between the two of
you allows you to spend considerable time with each other.

gemstar's Moon sextile SM's Venus:

You can feel very natural and comfortable in each other's presence, making time spent together
enjoyable. You support and even take delight in each other's emotional responses to life. You can
become interested in the arts and socializing together.

SM's Moon opposition gemstar's Uranus:

SM tends to feel threatened by gemstar's independence and need for freedom, while gemstar feels
encumbered by SM's emotional needs.

SM's Moon opposition gemstar's Pluto:

SM can feel threatened, unsafe, and powerless to withstand gemstar's will. A healthy relationship
can develop only if gemstar can remain conscious of the potential misuse of this power of
intimidation. Otherwise, the potential for unhealthy psychological patterns to develop between the
two of you is strong.

gemstar's Moon opposition SM's Chiron:

SM's attempts to help gemstar get through difficult times are not well received. Past wounds make
it difficult to establish emotionally close ties, until you both stretch your ability to be compassionate
for each other's issues.

gemstar's Moon square SM's Neptune:

It is not likely that you see each other clearly. You can imagine qualities in each other that don't
exist, or pull each other into escapist behavior, or feed each other's fears. Absolute honesty,
including avoiding "dishonesty by omission," is required for a healthy relationship.

SM's Moon square gemstar's Mars:

This aspect often leads to a stormy emotional tie. SM is always on edge and feels threatened by
gemstar's energy. SM's emotional responses irritate gemstar. Without restraint, this can be a
wounding combination.

gemstar's Mercury conjunct SM's Jupiter:

This aspect is very favorable for communication and mutual interests in continued learning. SM's
philosophical outlook on life is expansive and uplifting to gemstar. gemstar engages SM's
philosophical beliefs and helps plan movement toward goals.

gemstar's Mercury conjunct SM's Uranus:

This is a very exciting connection for communication and learning together. SM's energy liberates
gemstar's way of thinking, though it does make it difficult to stay on the topic at hand. While in
conversations with each other, ideas just come flying in about all types of issues, not just what you
are currently discussing. Some of the ideas that you come up with together are likely to be out of
synch with your culture, so it's best to think things through before you act on some of your radical
ideas.

gemstar's Mercury trine SM's Saturn:

You are able to handle responsibilities well together. You not only make plans well, you are able to
follow through on them with patience and commitment. When difficulties in your relationship do
arise, this combination facilitates an ability to work through the issues patiently.

gemstar's Mercury square SM's Neptune:

Your communication with each other can become clouded by confusion, mostly over what was not
said. Fact and fantasy blur. It may not be clear what was said and not said, what is true or not true;
these types of issues cause the confusion. Absolute honesty is required to avoid these pitfalls.

SM's Mercury square gemstar's Saturn:

This aspect creates a challenge in maintaining easy, flowing communication with each other,
because SM feels intimidated by gemstar's judgments. This fear of disapproval restricts the natural
flow of conversation. There is a tendency to bring out each other's pessimistic and negative
attitudes. This can be compensated for, but there would have to be a rule: No criticizing each
other. Otherwise, this combination is a tough one.

SM's Mercury square gemstar's Chiron:

You likely have different opinions and views concerning health issues. It is not easy to accept each
other's help, because your views about what would be helpful differ. Try not to convince each
other of the right way toward health and healing, and instead, acknowledge and allow for the
differences to help avoid difficulties.

SM's Venus conjunct gemstar's North Node:

Your values and tastes are in harmony with one another, and you are naturally attracted to activities
that lead to mutual soul growth.

gemstar's Venus sextile SM's Uranus:

Your relationship will never be in danger of stagnating because you constantly find innovative ways
to explore life together. You are attracted to each other's uniqueness and allow each other
considerable freedom in the relationship.

SM's Venus sextile gemstar's Saturn:

This aspect adds stability to your relationship because you have the patience and commitment it
takes to work through the rough spots. You complement each other's lives, as SM brings out
gemstar's personal side, and gemstar helps SM keeps it together in the world.

SM's Venus sextile gemstar's Chiron:

SM's values, appreciation for beauty, and capacity to receive love are fertile ground for healing for
gemstar. The activities that you enjoy together naturally lead to soul growth for both of you. You
can be drawn to the arts and creative expression as a method for healing.

gemstar's Venus opposition SM's Saturn:

This aspect dampens the natural attraction and magnetism of the relationship. It is hard to avoid
judging one another. gemstar sees SM as no fun, too harsh, and demanding, while SM judges
gemstar's values as superficial, indulgent, and undisciplined.

gemstar's Venus square SM's Pluto:

Karmic patterns of manipulating each other in love, either through guilt or intimidation, must be
dealt with in your relationship. Strong passion can exist between the two of you, but intimacy will
elude you until you are both able to let go of control and surrender to the relationship.

SM's Mars conjunct gemstar's Jupiter:

Your relationship is fueled with tremendous drive, passion for life, and competitive energy. gemstar
expands the awareness of the field of opportunities for SM. SM gives courage to gemstar for
acting on goals and ideals. Your relationship requires action, or the heated-up and expanded
energy can become volatile.

SM's Mars trine gemstar's Ascendant:

Your energies flow well together, making it easy to work or play together. You rarely trigger each
other's defenses, allowing you feel safe with each other. Knowing you can count on each other's
support in any conflict gives you courage.

gemstar's Mars square SM's Ascendant:

Conflicts erupt when SM feels picked on or badgered by gemstar Conversely, gemstar becomes
irritated by SM's approach to situations.

gemstar's Jupiter trine SM's Saturn:

You work well together on career and professional matters, as well as all issues of handling
responsibility together. You are especially effective at planning together and follow a step-by-step
approach to getting to your shared goals.

gemstar's Jupiter trine SM's Ascendant:

This aspect is favorable for most relationships as the two of you share common philosophical,
political, and religious beliefs, as well as cultural interests. It simply feels uplifting to be in each
other's company.

SM's Jupiter trine gemstar's Chiron:

You learn from your relationship how important a person's philosophy and beliefs are in terms of
the creating and healing of wounds. Through this firsthand experience, you may be drawn to
teaching others how to liberate their relationships by changing their beliefs.

SM's Saturn conjunct gemstar's Neptune:

The best of this combination is when SM grounds gemstar's imagination and helps find ways of
manifesting this in the world. It is also favorable when gemstar inspires SM to open to a reality
beyond worldly responsibilities. The low road is when SM doubts and disapproves of gemstar's
imagination, or when gemstar erodes SM's strength to carry out responsibilities through guilt or fear.

SM's Saturn conjunct gemstar's Ascendant:

SM is a natural authority for gemstar; thus, this is a favorable tie for parent-child,
employer-employee, and teacher-student relationships, when SM is the authority. There is a strong
commitment and sense of loyalty that comes with this tie, but gemstar can feel oppressed by SM
unless this authority is handled wisely and the hammer of disapproval is used sparingly.

gemstar's Saturn trine SM's Uranus:

This combination is favorable for working together to fulfill responsibilities of any kind. SM
encourages gemstar to be innovative in career considerations, while gemstar helps ground SM's
ideas.

SM's Saturn sextile gemstar's Pluto:

You give each other strength and support for tackling large projects, and the two of you together
are very effective when dealing with administrative authority. You can count on each other during
crunch time, when your back is against the wall.

gemstar's Saturn square SM's North Node:

You have a difficult time supporting each other's chosen path for soul growth. Until you develop
respect for the differences in your paths toward soul growth, you tend to pull each other down
more than build each other up.

SM's Uranus trine gemstar's Neptune:

There is a creative flow between SM's intuition and gemstar's ability to image. This sets up a
favorable flow of spiritual guidance that comes to the two of you spontaneously through
coincidences and sudden knowing.

SM's Uranus trine gemstar's Chiron:

You support and advance each other's path of healing. You can count on the original insights that
you get from each other during deep discussion about your process. You encourage each other's
ability to listen to inner guidance in matters of health and healing.

SM's Uranus sextile gemstar's North Node:

This aspect is favorable for keeping each other excited about a path of evolving and discovering
life. You come away from discussions feeling excited about the fresh insights you give each other.

gemstar's Uranus opposition SM's Ascendant:

This destabilizing aspect will keep your relationship from becoming stagnant, if nothing else. SM
feels uncomfortable with, and even threatened by, the way gemstar expresses individuality and
independence. gemstar constantly hammers at SM's conventionality.

gemstar's Neptune square SM's Pluto:

You are prone to promote each other's worst-case fears. You lead each other into the confusion of
the shadow world where it is difficult to distinguish between what is real and not real. The test is the
right use of your imagination, and the consequences are severe, as is always the case with Pluto
challenges. Can you anticipate the absolutely disastrous results that come when you feed each
other's fears, and instead train your imaginations not to go down that hellhole of fear? It usually
takes meditation training and spiritual practices to get a handle on this subtle, but insidiously
powerful, aspect.

gemstar's Pluto opposition SM's Ascendant:

SM can feel intimidated by gemstar because of something that neither of you is conscious of. This
makes it difficult to have a relationship until trust is established. You see each other's idiosyncrasies
and subconscious behavior patterns. It takes great sensitivity of delivery to discuss such issues
without arousing your partner's defenses.

SM's Pluto square gemstar's North Node:

A karmic pattern of mistrust must be faced to avoid the undermining influence of this aspect. If
issues of mistrust exist, put them on the table and clear the issues before proceeding. Overcome the
tendency to let these issues putrefy beneath the surface, which can breed all types of ill feelings.

SM's North Node square gemstar's Chiron:

posted December 17, 2005 09:52 AM              

I thought the node and chiron information was helpful and it is nice to see more programs incorporating these elements!

Thanks again for taking the time to respond and post this report-It was great!!!

Hugs-

posted December 17, 2005 08:45 PM              

me-emily, 8/3/1988,
Tulsa, Oklahoma, 11:42 am

my guy-Will, 1/11/1989
Providencialis Island, Turks and Caicos island, 6:30 ish am

thank youse so very much

posted December 19, 2005 10:06 AM            

Rede411: April 11, 1969 9:05am (Nyack, NY)
Slim: September 23, 1968 6:48am (Wilmington, MA)

posted December 22, 2005 07:08 AM              

Jennifer's Moon opposition Ricky's Moon:

Your emotional needs are at odds with each other, as are the ways in which you both express your
emotions, making emotional communication difficult. The challenge is to allow enough space in the
relationship for both of you to get your individual needs met. That is the high road. Even if you have
learned to accommodate for these differences, it is still wise to allow some time apart on a daily
basis so you can drop into that place of just being yourself.

Jennifer's Jupiter square Ricky's Jupiter:

Since what each of you finds rewarding is at odds, you need to create enough space in your
relationship for both of you to take part in the separate activities that you each find rewarding.
There could be disagreements over each other's political, religious, or philosophical beliefs.

Jennifer's Ascendant conjunct Ricky's Ascendant:

Your approaches to life are perfectly aligned with each other. This similar attitude is echoed
through the other houses in your charts as well, enhancing your overall compatibility.

Jennifer's Chiron square Ricky's Chiron:

You tend to agitate each other's wounds and thus reveal where healing needs to take place. It can
be very isolating to have your sensitivities judged as inappropriate. You both will need to work on
stretching your range of compassion with each other to avoid inadvertently judging each other's
sensitivities.

Jennifer's Sun trine Ricky's Mercury:

Communication and a natural understanding of each other are favored. You "get" each other and
readily resolve the natural conflicts that arise in relationships. You stimulate each other's mental
activity and readily learn from each other.

Jennifer's Sun trine Ricky's Venus:

This is one of the sweet ties in relationship astrology, leading to natural affection and simply
enjoying being in each other's company. If it's not a romantic relationship, the arts and cultural
opportunities are a few of a multitude of ways to share and enjoy life with each other. The natural
magnetic flow of attraction that exists between the two of you makes it easier to overlook each
other's shortcomings.

Ricky's Sun trine Jennifer's North Node:

You naturally support each other's path toward soul growth. This happens without effort. You are
able to help each other glean valuable lessons from your personal histories, freeing you from having
to repeat the past.

Jennifer's Sun trine Ricky's Chiron:

You have natural empathy and support for each other's wounds, and in this gentleness, there is a
healing.

Jennifer's Sun sextile Ricky's Uranus:

You encourage and support each other's uniqueness and individuality and put very few restraints
and expectations on each other. This allows your relationship to continue to grow and evolve.

Ricky's Sun opposition Jennifer's Venus:

Your tastes and values can clash, and yet this is not entirely bad. It creates a strong sexual
attraction, though not the comfortable type; this type of fascination comes from that which is
different. The strong sexual attraction is favorable for getting the relationship going, but difficulties
can arise over differences in basic life values, making it difficult to live with each other on a
day-to-day basis.

Ricky's Sun opposition Jennifer's Chiron:

Your natural instincts for helping each other through wounding times can be off target. Try not to
judge each other's wounds and, instead, see what you can do to offer support, even if your ways
of dealing with wounds are radically different.

Ricky's Moon conjunct Jennifer's Uranus:

This tie could be described as exciting and electric, but not comfortable. Jennifer liberates Ricky
from the confines of past behavior patterns, but it is hard for Ricky to ever feel fully comfortable
and secure around unpredictable Jennifer.

Jennifer's Moon trine Ricky's Jupiter:

Ricky has a knack for uplifting Jennifer's mood. Jennifer, of course, enjoys this, so a positive,
trusting relationship develops. Jennifer emotionally supports the growth needs and the philosophical
and religious interests of Ricky.

Jennifer's Moon trine Ricky's Saturn:

You work well together on both the personal and professional fronts. Ricky gives steadiness and
patience to the relationship. Jennifer adds emotional support to Ricky's efforts in the world of
responsibility.

Ricky's Moon trine Jennifer's Ascendant:

You feel at ease and comfortable in each other's presence. This relaxed flow between the two of
you allows you to spend considerable time with each other.

Jennifer's Moon opposition Ricky's Mars:

This aspect often leads to a stormy emotional tie. Jennifer is always on edge and feels threatened
by Ricky's energy. Jennifer's emotional responses irritate Ricky. Without restraint, this can be a
wounding combination.

Ricky's Moon opposition Jennifer's Venus:

Emotional issues are quite tricky to resolve. When one of you expresses emotional needs, the other
person's feelings get hurt. Or you get your feelings hurt when the other person is simply having a
bad day. It is hard not to take the other person's emotional issues personally, but that is exactly
what can improve your relationship.

Ricky's Moon opposition Jennifer's Chiron:

Jennifer's attempts to help Ricky get through difficult times are not well received. Past wounds
make it difficult to establish emotionally close ties, until you both stretch your ability to be
compassionate for each other's issues.

Jennifer's Moon square Ricky's Uranus:

Jennifer tends to feel threatened by Ricky's independence and need for freedom, while Ricky feels
encumbered by Jennifer's emotional needs.

Jennifer's Moon square Ricky's North Node:

Your relationship could be characterized as "one step forward, two steps back," as you
periodically pull each other into past emotional patterns, and can feel threatened by each other's
growth.

Ricky's Mercury conjunct Jennifer's Jupiter:

This aspect is very favorable for communication and mutual interests in continued learning.
Jennifer's philosophical outlook on life is expansive and uplifting to Ricky. Ricky engages Jennifer's
philosophical beliefs and helps plan movement toward goals.

Ricky's Mercury conjunct Jennifer's Pluto:

At best, this aspect leads to profound depth in all mental pursuits together. At worst, Ricky feels
manipulated and even intimidated by Jennifer's power. This combination is excellent for research
and investigation into almost anything, particularly the occult and metaphysical.

Ricky's Mercury sextile Jennifer's Neptune:

You have a highly intuitive rapport with each other. This supports your communication, allowing
you get the subtle nuances. You help each other rise above petty issues and can encourage each
other's interests in spirituality and the arts.

Jennifer's Mercury square Ricky's Pluto:

Difficulties in communications with each other arise because of Jennifer's tendency to feel
threatened by Ricky's will. It is important not to allow manipulations of any sort to enter into your
communications with each other; no good can come from it. If either of you feels manipulated by
the other, name it for what it is, and refuse to take part in it.

Ricky's Mercury square Jennifer's Ascendant:

Misunderstandings are not uncommon with this aspect, as you both tend to misinterpret each
other's attempts at communication. Avoid this potential for misunderstanding by double-checking
important communications with each other.

Jennifer's Mercury square Ricky's Chiron:

You likely have different opinions and views concerning health issues. It is not easy to accept each
other's help, because your views about what would be helpful differ. Try not to convince each
other of the right way toward health and healing, and instead, acknowledge and allow for the
differences to help avoid difficulties.

Ricky's Venus conjunct Jennifer's Jupiter:

Fertile, abundant, and indulgent are all words that could describe this combination. Your love life is
upbeat and positive together, and it's easy to enjoy each other's company. It would be easy to fall
in love. The only danger with this extremely positive combination is the tendency toward excessive
indulgences and spending sprees together.

Ricky's Venus conjunct Jennifer's Pluto:

A compelling, nearly hypnotic attraction can exist between the two of you. With highly developed
souls, this can lead to deep, transformative passion. With lower types, the compelling energy can
lead to obsessions or manipulative love.

Jennifer's Venus trine Ricky's Saturn:

This aspect adds stability to your relationship because you have the patience and commitment it
takes to work through the rough spots. You complement each other's lives, as Jennifer brings out
Ricky's personal side, and Ricky helps Jennifer keeps it together in the world.

Ricky's Venus sextile Jennifer's Neptune:

This aspect brings a refined energy into your relationship, and you become sensitive to the subtle
realms of your energy with each other. A peaceful feeling flows between the two of you, and you
can enjoy the arts, music, and spiritual activities together.

Jennifer's Venus opposition Ricky's Mars:

There is a magnetic spark between you, without a doubt, but it is sometimes rough and has an
edge. This is good for passion, but is volatile because so many of your values about male/female
roles in a relationship clash.

Ricky's Venus square Jennifer's Ascendant:

Your values and sensitivities to beauty clash with one another. Jennifer's natural style of
presentation is a turn-off for Ricky Ricky can seem uptight to Jennifer.

Jennifer's Venus square Ricky's North Node:

Your tastes, both in terms of pleasure and soul-growth activities, are not in synch with each other.
Since neither of you values the other person's taste in clothes, style, art, beauty, and social
activities, this aspect has a diminishing effect on the magnetism between you.

Ricky's Mars conjunct Jennifer's Uranus:

Jennifer's liberating influence on Ricky makes all options available. Excitement comes from this. So
will unexpected flare-ups of wild, uncontrollable energy. There can be excitement in a sexual
relationship as you encourage each other's experimentation. If you can't handle the intensity, this
unrestrained energy can manifest as explosive fights between the two of you that scare you both
with the fierceness that comes over you. If handled well, you will give each other courage to act on
your most innovative ideas.

Ricky's Mars trine Jennifer's Ascendant:

Your energies flow well together, making it easy to work or play together. You rarely trigger each
other's defenses, allowing you feel safe with each other. Knowing you can count on each other's
support in any conflict gives you courage.

Ricky's Mars opposition Jennifer's Chiron:

Jennifer feels threatened by Ricky's insensitivity, and feels unsafe in revealing vulnerabilities. Ricky
feels Jennifer to be too sensitive, as if Ricky has to walk on eggshells not to arouse sensitivities.
And that is exactly the path that works best--treat the sensitivities of Jennifer with sensitivity.

Jennifer's Jupiter trine Ricky's Chiron:

You learn from your relationship how important a person's philosophy and beliefs are in terms of
the creating and healing of wounds. Through this firsthand experience, you may be drawn to
teaching others how to liberate their relationships by changing their beliefs.

Jennifer's Jupiter sextile Ricky's Uranus:

This motivates the two of you to look for growth beyond your relationship together. You support
each other's independent views and opinions, encouraging each other to constantly expand on your
experiences and learn from life. Travel, education, and spiritual growth are all favored.

Ricky's Jupiter opposition Jennifer's Ascendant:

Many disagreements can erupt because your basic beliefs about so many life issues are at odds
with each other. These arguments aren't so hot as to be threatening, with Jupiter involved, but
Jennifer can experience Ricky 's beliefs about education, religion, and politics to be way off base.

Jennifer's Jupiter square Ricky's Saturn:

Your sense of timing is not likely to be in synch with each other; when one of you wants to expand,
the other wants to hold back. You may have many conflicting views about politics, religion,
business ethics, and the like, making it difficult to support each other's plans.

Ricky's Jupiter square Jennifer's Pluto:

There is an unconscious pattern of competition between the two of you, and you can goad each
other into grander and grander displays of one-upmanship. There can be a natural mistrust of each
other's moral and ethical values in how you approach goals.

Ricky's Saturn trine Jennifer's Chiron:

There can be mutual interest in serious, scholarly studies and pursuits related to health and healing.
You have a steadying influence on each other's path of moving forward in the healing process, and
you are there for each other in times of need.

Ricky's Saturn opposition Jennifer's Ascendant:

Jennifer feels disempowered by Ricky 's disapproval. You can both feel disrespected for what you
stand for. The relationship feels strained unless you overcome your judgments of each other.

Ricky's Saturn square Jennifer's Pluto:

With this aspect, there can be a deep mistrust of each other that will have to be addressed before
the relationship can proceed. Ricky resents Jennifer's way of taking control of power. Jennifer feels
Ricky is attempting to sabotage situations by resistance. Until you work through these issues of
mistrust, the threatening feelings you both have may sabotage your attempts to have a healthy
relationship.

Ricky's Uranus trine Jennifer's Neptune:

There is a creative flow between Ricky's intuition and Jennifer's ability to image. This sets up a
favorable flow of spiritual guidance that comes to the two of you spontaneously through
coincidences and sudden knowing.

Jennifer's Uranus trine Ricky's Ascendant:

You encourage and support each other's uniqueness and individuality by giving each other
permission to be just who you are without pretension. You support each other's path of awakening
and evolution by encouraging each other to stay in an attitude of discovery.

Jennifer's Uranus square Ricky's Chiron:

Here, we have two rebels with two different causes. An example would be two people who both
rebelled against traditional health care and found their own, but different, alternative paths. Until
you can honor these differences, the tendency to look at each other's path as eccentric at best, and
as having little merit, will certainly be felt as challenging.

Jennifer's Neptune trine Ricky's North Node:

You can trust each other to provide spiritual guidance and insights as you have a natural empathy
for each other's soul needs.

Jennifer's Pluto sextile Ricky's North Node:

Your relationship constantly brings you back to the high road of your individual soul paths. You
support each other's deep work and draw hidden strength to stay open to transformational work.
There is a feeling that you are part of the same soul family, a deeply supportive and strangely
familiar tie.

Ricky's North Node square Jennifer's Chiron:

posted December 23, 2005 10:25 PM              

me(silvermoon):
July 8th, 1957 9:00pm Washington,DC

posted December 28, 2005 03:52 AM            

I'd love a reading please!

Me: Oct 8, 1978, 4:26AM, Mombasa, Kenya
She: Oct 6, 1984 12:05AM, Toronto Canada

posted January 02, 2006 10:09 AM            

If so, I'd love to get it done... I'm so curious...

Steelrose - 19 September 1977, 3pm, Madrid (Spain)

Aries - 10 April 1977, unknown birth time, Madrid (Spain)

posted January 08, 2006 03:01 PM              

Eddie (Me) may 9 1983 West Lafayette/Indian/Usa 12:00 AM

Annie (Her) October 26 1984 Guaynabo Puerto Rico (i dont know her birth time, but ive heard in those cases you should use 12:00 PM)

posted January 08, 2006 03:02 PM              

Eddie (Me) may 9 1983 West Lafayette/Indian/Usa 12:00 AM

Annie (Her) October 26 1984 Guaynabo Puerto Rico (i dont know her birth time, but ive heard in those cases you should use 12:00 PM)