posted December 21, 2005 06:11 PM              

After all these years of studying astrology, I finally saw that two planets were square. In fact they are one side of a trapezoid. Two planets at the top are sextile while two planets at the bottom of the shape are trine and the sides are squared. This shape then overlays a grand kite and another grand trine. All of these shapes are connected.

Reading about Magi astrology, the geometry your chart forms is considered more significant than typical western astrological readings. Unfortunately the book hasn't delved into specific interpretations of this geometric "phenomenon" In fact, I've spent plenty of time at this site trying to interpret my grand trine and kite with some success but there are so many conjuctions, and combined aspects etc. it's really confusing!

Does anyone have any ideas of where I should turn? Does anyone know a better way that I could read my chart? Does anyone else have elaborate geometry in their chart? For some reason this type oftopic usually generates one or two responses, I hope anyone will reply. Even if you know very little about grand kites, etc.

(Just in case your curious dob- July 11, 1963 7:53 AM Cleveland, OH)

posted December 22, 2005 01:03 AM              

I looked at your chart and saw:
- 1 Mystic Rectangle
- 1 Grand Trine
- 2 T-squares
- 1 Boomerang
- 1 Yod

For simplicity, if I see a planetary pattern which has its sides made of conjunct planets, I consider the conjunct planets as ONE point, not as many. For this reason I see ONE Grand Trine and ONE mystic rectangle. However, since I do not consider Jupiter and the Midheaven conjunct I counted them as parts of TWO T-squares which both share the same opposition.

I didn't find a kite because I do not consider Mars and Pluto conjunct in your chart.

The basic idea behind planetary geometry is regularity of the sides. If the shape can be divided into two identical parts, then it most likely is significant as a planetary pattern...if not, then it most likely isn't significant as a planetary pattern. Using this rule it is possible to find planetary shapes in a chart which indicate some type of energy focus in the chart.

Patterning,

Tim

posted December 22, 2005 05:57 PM              

Where is the T-square? in Jupiter in opposition to my IC?
Also what is a mystic rectangle and a boomerang? New ideas to me.

(I must be really blind here to not see any of this, and I overlooked a yod too???)

posted December 23, 2005 01:17 PM              

Mercury is just out of a sextile to Pluto according to the orbs (how close a planet/point can be to an aspect and still be in aspect) I was using, but, since there is a stellium (collection of energy) which involves Mercury, it makes sense to stretch orbs a little. So, yes, you are right about the kite.

I use points as well as planets, so I get a T-square by looking at the opposition between the nodes both focusing squares to both Jupiter and Midheaven, resulting in two T-squares with a common base.

Mystic Rectangle is an aspect created when two energies are opposite two other energies, while forming 2 sextiles and 2 trines to each other (forming a rectangle in the chart). Again, I used the South node to complete this aspect.

A boomerang is a Yod which has an opposition from the focal energy to an energy directly opposite it. The effect is to "boomerang" the energy focus from the point of the Yod to the opposing planet. The Boomerang I saw was formed by Jupiter and Saturn both "pointing" Mars, which opposed the Moon, making the Moon the focus of the Boomerang. Astrodienst uses a smaller orb than I do for quincunxes, which is why they didn't show up in Astrodienst's aspect list.

The problem I have with Astrodienst is that it doesn't show on its chart all the aspects listed in the aspect list. As a result, I frequently use a separate astorlogical program when I want to see detailed chart/aspect patterns in the chart.

Explaining,

Tim

posted December 23, 2005 01:39 PM              

I have an arrow in my chart. My Aqua moon is all by itself in my second house, while my Leo stellium makes oppositions to it from the eighth house.

See? An arrow. Quite appropriate for a Sagittarius rising

It almost looks as though my moon is about to be launched into the stratosphere. lol...

posted December 23, 2005 04:18 PM              

Thanks for the nice "lionific" words! While your Moon does look as if it is "all by itself" on Astrodienst, if we add in the Node aspect information, a different story becomes apparent:
Moon sextile North node trine Mercury sextile South node trine Moon or, in other words, a Mystic Rectangle linking the nodes. So your Moon (home, also emotions) energy is VERY tied into your North node (future goals). The challenge is in working with Moon opposite (energy is over-excited by) Mercury (thinking/daily work) or, in other words, excitable emotions. Emotions HAVE to be dealt with because Aries (being, also action) modifies North node (future goals) focused in the 4th house (home, also emotions), indicating a need to take action in handling emotions. However, since there are sextiles and trines (easy energy) linking these oppositions, you may find emotional challenges are fairly easily handled in your life.

Patterning and explaining,

Tim

posted December 27, 2005 06:28 PM              

Any advice on how I can better integrate all the planets and aspects into a reading? I'd like to improve in this area. For instance, just looking at that kite I need to take into account conjunction meanings, trines meanings, oppositions, sextiles, It's pretty complex. Maybe write it out the possibilities??? For instance, does the opposition in my kite strengthen or weaken the aspects? I assume it weakens the trine, but the sextiles weaken the opposition???

posted December 27, 2005 07:14 PM            

How do you feel about lioneye's Saturn/Neptune/Uranus Yod?? I've read that some astrologers do not consider the formation a true Yod unless the apex planet is the fastest-moving of the three. In this case, that *does* apply.....

posted December 28, 2005 01:29 AM              

You said:

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...geometry topics. I guess it makes reading a chart more complex and perhaps people aren't into it??Any advice on how I can better integrate all the planets and aspects into a reading?...does the opposition in my kite strengthen or weaken the aspects?...

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In my opinion, planetary geometry (i.e., the shape of the chart) SIMPLIFIES chart interpretation (my astrological website, linked to below, starts from a point of looking at the "shape" of the chart). For instance, T-squares, Boomerangs, and Yods always point at ONE energy in the chart. In your case:
Kite focuses on Pluto (transformation, also power)

One T-Square points at Jupiter (expansion, also wisdom)

One T-Square points at Midheaven (outer world)

Yod focuses on Saturn (duty)

Boomerang focuses on Moon (home, also emotions)

So we know that power, wisdom, outer world, duty, and emotions are important to you.

We also note that Moon is also part of the Mystic Rectangle, so emotions are the strongest of the energies mentioned. Add to that that Moon is focused in the 8th house (transformation, also power), which is also a characteristic of the "Pluto" focus, and so we need to add more "power" to the "emotion" energy. This results in "powerful emotions".

And we note that Aries (being, also action) modifies Jupiter and Midheaven, and Mars (which is also one of the planets in the Mystic Rectangle) rules Aries. So we add "action" to the list of powerfully re-emphasized energies.

And a picture starts to form: an emotionally powerful person who needs to take actions in their life.

Notice that we have NOT looked at details such as individual aspects between planets, all the houses used in the aspect patterns, etc. Instead we have only looked at the focuses of the aspect patterns THEMSELVES and looked for the parts of the chart which RE-EMPHASIZED those aspect focuses.

And this, in my opinion, is the power of planetary geometry. Some may find it too simple for them, but it is an easy way to gain a deep understanding of a chart very quickly. As to what "exactly" it all means, only the person whose chart it is knows that!

Geometrically,

Tim

posted December 28, 2005 01:32 AM              

In order to make birth chart reading as simple as it can be, I look at the birth chart as a "non-moving" chart. That means all that matters to me in aspects is the degrees between planets: there are no "faster" or "slower" planets since none of the planets move!

Unmovable,

Tim

posted December 29, 2005 03:05 PM              

I was wondering why pluto is the focus of the kite? because it's the "tail" ?Wouldn't the moon be the focus because it's trine the other planets and is the "top"

posted December 29, 2005 07:36 PM              

The focus of a kite is where the sextiles come together. This is because the rest of the aspect is a Grand Trine, which, while a strong aspect, tends to "exist in its own world" in a sense. People with Grand Trines tend to retreat into them when the world gets too challenging. However, people with kites find themselves dumped out of the Grand Trine by the two sextiles! So the two sextiles provide an outlet for the Grand Trine "trap".

There are many astrology books out there, but for aspect patterns right now, the Internet is a GREAT source of information. Google around and see what you can find!

Explaining,