posted December 22, 2005 01:05 AM              

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Leo 02°21'14 04/5 direct
(Sun is technically near the end of house 4 and is interpreted in house 5.)
Moon Taurus 06°24'45 01 direct
Mercury Leo 28°05'28 05 direct
Venus Virgo 12°48'42 06 direct
Mars Cancer 14°47'30 04 direct
Jupiter Aries 14°02'29 12 direct
Saturn Virgo 28°13'20 06 direct
Uranus Cancer 11°05'37 04 direct
Neptune Libra 16°57'10 06 direct
Pluto Leo 18°56'42 05 direct
True Node Pisces 10°34'51 12 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 21°00'10
2nd House Taurus 26°43'08
3rd House Gemini 20°20'13
Imum Coeli Cancer 10°49'38
5th House Leo 03°08'45
6th House Virgo 03°28'08
Descendant Libra 21°00'10
8th House Scorpio 26°43'08
9th House Sagittarius 20°20'13
Medium Coeli Capricorn 10°49'38
11th House Aquarius 03°08'45
12th House Pisces 03°28'08

Major aspects
Sun Square Moon 4°04
Sun Sextile Saturn 4°08
Moon Trine Venus 6°24
Moon Sextile Uranus 4°41
Venus Sextile Mars 1°59
Venus Quincunx Jupiter 1°14
Venus Sextile Uranus 1°43
Mars Square Jupiter 0°45
Mars Conjunction Uranus 3°42
Mars Square Neptune 2°10
Jupiter Square Uranus 2°57
Jupiter Opposition Neptune 2°55
Jupiter Trine Pluto 4°54
Uranus Square Neptune 5°52
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°00
Neptune Opposition Ascendant 4°03
Pluto Trine Ascendant 2°03

posted December 22, 2005 11:05 AM              

First off , BR, this definitely not my dad - oh, and I'm very thankful for that. My dad's a Lib-Sag-Vir - a very different sort, although not without his own massive load of issues.

Salisa: You're doing very well for a novice. Actually everything you said is very true about him. So you're in the right direction. You can potentially get much more specific once you gain more skill and knowledge about astrology, so keep it up!

Also you are good to say things that may sound negative (like that he's overbearing and overdoes things - both very correct), but to get a more precise picture, it's good to try to see how positive and negative traits of various placements and aspects. Then what you get is a fully picture, and you can often get actually very precise that way.

You mention you thought he worked in social service or medicine: look at the planets in the 6th. How would those planets - Venus, Saturn, Neptune (air singleton) - affect his choice of a career and what he would want from it? So you think he would be successful? What obstacle might he encounter along that career path? (That last one is a HUGE hint for anyone - there's a giant cookie with extra choclate chips for the person who nails that one )

BR: Very good, but you ought dare getting more specific, even if you risk being wrong. Take the aspects you've zeroed in on, and put them back into context and try to see how they are working together. I suspect you have some good hunches and are holding back on saying them because you don't want to be too off mark.

One thing though that will get you off track: there is air - an air singleton to be exact. Neptune in Libra, and it's part fo the t-square. This would actually cause an opposite effect of an absence of air, causing an exaggeration of air traits. I assure you, he has no problem saying what he's thinking, and to a fault (Mercury in 5th too - definitely indicative of his communication style). Bear in mind that this singleton's opposing a *Jupiter* singleton, the only planet in the universal. Note that square with Mars/Uranus, and all the houses involved (6th, 4th and 12th).

As for "probably not wanting to know" about his sexuality....lol, I do know all too well, and yeah it's a, ahem, "drama."

His sexuality's one of the reason (along with his career path) that I wanted sahre this chart. There's a lot here in that realm to pick over - and particularly interesting when you put his sexuality into context of his overall life and chart. His sexuality has had reprecussions in his life. In truth everyone's sexuality does - it just those who have more conventional ones tend not to realize that. So it's good to look at chart of someone with less conventional sexuality to see how sexuality does effect the whole.

posted December 22, 2005 11:36 AM              

Thanks for posting the birth info! I agree with Blue Roamer that I like to have a chart to look at, because sometimes the LOOK of the chart says a LOT...such as with this chart.

Almost ALL the energy is in the bottom (inner) part of the chart). Almost ALL the energy is on the right side (others) part of the chart. And the chart is focused in the "Development" area (more on this in Step 3 of the link below), indicating this person uses what they know about their inner world as a way to develop relationship connections with others.

Also, Virgo (daily work) modifying Venus is conjunct the South node (the past) focused in the 6th house (daily work) and there are no planets conjunct Pisces (spirituality) modifying North node (future goals) focused in the 12th house (spirituality). This indicates this person could feel "stuck" in life, focusing on their past achievements in their daily work and somehow unable to "move on" in their life and become more "spiritual" in their life. This is ALSO challenging because it requires moving from the right half of their chart where all their energy is and over to the left half of their chart where there is very little energy.

This person has help in making this movement to future goals, however. One help is that they have a focus between the nodes by Easy opposition to the Nadir (inner world). So focusing on their inner world can be a way to "bridge" themselves over to their North node.

There are other indications of "spirituality" in the chart as well. Neptune (spirituality) is conjunct Descendant (others), indicating they could get help in developing their spirituality from those around them. Also, Jupiter is focused in the 12th house (spirituality). Jupiter is the ancient ruler of Pisces, so Jupiter focused in the 12th house strongly emphasizes the spiritual energy and focus.

There is also a Grand Square (if we count aspects to the Midheaven) and a Mystic Rectangle (if we count aspects to the North node), and a Kite focused on the Nadir which helps this person to connect in with the energy of the Nadir.

The challenge of the "spiritual" path is that it is also the path of confusion, deception, drug use, alcoholism, and other ways we have of trying to quickly become "spiritual". Spirituality is about the breaking down of the boundaries around us that separate us from each other. A person who breaks down these bonds of individuality in themselves who is not fully ready for the experience risks losing themselves and who they are, leading to the confusing, deceving, etc. energies mentioned previously.

In addition to all these challenges there is the challenge of mastering the deep, inner rebellious anger deep inside them (Cancer (home, also emotions) modifying Mars (being, also anger, action) conjunct (energy is combined with) Uranus (friends, also rebellion) conjunct Nadir). They may have a tendency to use the strong inner focus for rebellious inner destruction of themselves instead of for gaining spiritual awareness.

This is a challenging energy to handle, but if they are ever able to handle, it, they can open themselves up to the interconnection that is at the heart of us all.

Spiritually,

Tim

posted December 22, 2005 06:25 PM              

Sex and family relationships are significant for this guy. But Uranus is conjunct Mars in the 4th, and squaring his Neptune in the 6th - this isn't very comfortable or him or anyone involved with him.

He's a M.D., to give you take one. But there are reasons why he became a physician that I think can be seen in his chart. Another hint: think of Neptune's dark side: delusion, unattainable ideals, chronic disappointment, alienation.

Tim,

This is true of this person:

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Also, Virgo (daily work) modifying Venus is conjunct the South node (the past) focused in the 6th house (daily work) and there are no planets conjunct Pisces (spirituality) modifying North node (future goals) focused in the 12th house (spirituality). This indicates this person could feel "stuck" in life, focusing on their past achievements in their daily work and somehow unable to "move on" in their life and become more "spiritual" in their life. This is ALSO challenging because it requires moving from the right half of their chart where all their energy is and over to the left half of their chart where there is very little energy.

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But I think one could get more specific here. Yes he is stuck spiritually, tied up with mundane issues. But so are most people. His chart is pretty revealing of his unique situation - I would like another's take on how they would intepret what his chart reflects about his own situation. It's a little too easy for me, since I know him well, to assume I see what in his life is represented by this or that in his chart. But I could also be overlooking or misapplying other things by doing that. That's one reason why I'm asking for others to take a look.

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In addition to all these challenges there is the challenge of mastering the deep, inner rebellious anger deep inside them (Cancer (home, also emotions) modifying Mars (being, also anger, action) conjunct (energy is combined with) Uranus (friends, also rebellion) conjunct Nadir). They may have a tendency to use the strong inner focus for rebellious inner destruction of themselves instead of for gaining spiritual awareness.

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This too is on mark, but still too generalized. What exactly do you think is the root of this rebellious anger? What or whom is affected by it? How or in what areas of his life would it manifest? What are the consequences for his personal development? If it's destructive, exactly how? And yes, I do think these questions can be answered from the chart. I have my own take - I'd like to see what someone else's is.

By the way, he doesn't abuse drugs or alcohol, but he does have very destructive habits rooted in anger in another way.

posted December 22, 2005 09:51 PM              

There... well I think I added a lot more detail this time around. I tried to look at things as a whole rather than just bits and pieces that caught my eye as I had done before in my other replys.

posted December 24, 2005 01:00 PM              

The thing that jumps out at me first are issues having to do with money. May be extremely stingy. But may feel guilty after overspending only on their romantic object of their desire.

posted February 07, 2006 11:39 AM              

He suffers from bipolar disorder (severe), ADD and is paranoid, naracissistic and has psychotic breaks in the past. Much of how he percieves his mother is very distorted through his mental illness/personality disorder.

Salisa -

"His father may have been more like a mother or maybe his mother was gone a lot"

No his motehr was very presetn in his life. By all account his parents were pretty nromal - father had a fatherly role, mother had motherly role

"It looks like there may have been many arguments with his father. He and his father may have clashed a lot because they were so much alike.
He and his family may have moved around a lot by his father.
He was most likely very rebellious and bucked authority especially from his father."

He was largely passive-aggressive towards his father. He grew up in a rather conservative environment, and he always presumed he wouldn't be accepted for being gay. Add to that all his mental health problems (see my comments to Lovely above), he became paranoid that any father figure would reject him and punish him, even though this was no his experience with his own father. It's mainly delusional thinking, but yes, he is "touchy" about father figures in his life.

"One of his parent posibly his mother might have been very independent or unstable is some way. His parent might have gotten separated of divorced."

No, not quite, although his mother was independent in personality. She wasas trong woman, but gentle. His father died when he was in his twenties, and his mother died more recently - almost 30 years afterwards. So in a way they were "seperated."

"He is attracted women who were like his mother and people who are unavailable or married. Attracted to woman who from time to time are prone to hysterics?"

Well, he's gay, so no it wouldn't be women. Normally he's very controlling in his rlationships - he acts as a kindfo overbearing father/mother figure himself, and often chooses younger men who basically use him for his money. He himself is the one prone to hysterics, while he tends to attract moody, parasitic and self-serving men.

"May get romanticly involved with some one from his work."

To my knowledge this never happened. He's retired now.

"Oh and he possibly has a private practice."

He wanted this, but never acchieved it.

At any rate, what I was most hoping for was someone to see a link between his work and health, or a work-related scandal that forced him out of his occupation. He contracted the HIV virus and had ot retire erly from being an M.D. While he wasn't really part of any scandal, like many things iwth im, he percieved himself has causing scandal (truth is, very few people knew). As with many other things in his life, he was delusional, paranoid and acted rashly.

posted February 07, 2006 12:44 PM              

You said:

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mars and uranus in the 4th in cancer, has to mean wacky home life/upbringing. a mother who had a chemical imbalance perhaps or who was abusive. was his a drinker?

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To which Gemini said:

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no, actually his mother was wonderful. Not a drinker, no history of mental illness. He's the one with the abusive dmeeanor and a chemical imbalance. He often accused her of being overcontrolling and would get angry at her over things that were literally just in his head...

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This raises an important astrological point, that a person's chart is that person's PERCEPTION of reality, it is NOT always reality itself. So looking at a chart and deciding "siblings are this way, mom is this way, dad is that way, etc." based on the chart can mislead us in our understanding of the person's family. All that can be told from any birth chart is that a person PERCEIVES their family (self, others, etc.) a certain way.

Looking at perception versus reality,

posted February 07, 2006 09:42 PM              

Thanks for the feedback on my try. It really does amaze me sometimes... and since we are all learning, the feedback is so very helpful...