posted January 03, 2006 03:12 PM              

Example:

Sun in the 10th House
Sun Square Saturn

or

Sun in the 7th House
Sun Square Venus

Would it depend on which Planet and House we're talking about? Or is there a general Rule?

Thanks.

posted January 03, 2006 03:18 PM              

I suggest that, instead of "cancelling" the energy out, this RE-emphasis of the energy instead INTENSIFIES the energy. In effect you have in your examples double emphasis of, respectively:
- Saturn (duty) energy challenges (square) and 10th house (duty) focus
- Venus (relationships) energy challenges (square) and 7th house (relationships) focus

Since Venus rules two signs this might create two different possible scenarios with the Sun:
- Sun square Libra (relationships) modifying Venus
- Sun focused in the 7th house (relationships)
results in strong relationships energy

- Sun square Taurus (physical) modifying Venus
- Sun focused in the 7th house (relationships)
results in Venus "split" between physical and relationships

Keeping it simple,

Tim

posted January 03, 2006 05:50 PM              

You asked:

quote:

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Would the those two points of interest cancel each other out?

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I am suggesting that, there is only ONE point of interest (aspect) you are describing and, no, they would NOT cancel each other out. Let's take a look at the full "astro-sentence" to understand better what the situation you describe is:
Saturn square Sun focused in the 10th house

which is

Saturn (duty) square Sun focused in the 10th house (duty)

So there are two indications of "duty" in the chart (Saturn and the 10th house). That INCREASES the "duty" energy in the chart. What was confusing to me was that originally you listed:

quote:

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Sun in the 10th House
Sun Square Saturn

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which made it look like Sun energy was indicated twice in the chart, when actually Sun energy was only indicated ONCE and Saturn energy (i.e., "duty" energy) was indicated TWICE.

I then followed up on this point to suggest that using this method with Venus creates two different possibilities, for Venus rules TWO houses, resulting in two different possibilities for "Venus squaring the Sun in the house Venus rules" situation you describe (using the "astro-sentence" again):
- Libra (relationships) modifying Venus (relationships) square Sun focused in the 7th house (relationships)
- Taurus (physical) modifying Venus (relationships) square Sun focused in the 7th house (relationships)

The first example results in increased "relationships" energy, the second example does not.

Becoming complicated,

Tim

posted January 05, 2006 05:49 PM              

It took me a while to follow, but I see what you're saying.

I guess I wasn't thinking of it in terms of grouping things together, but more, as two separate phenomenon. But then considered as a whole. Don't know if that makes sense.

posted January 07, 2006 08:48 PM            

Sun in 9th
Square Jupiter

There's a lot of emphasis on Sag in my chart, so its difficult to tell just what this means, although, I would imagine that it contributes to my exhibiting the more negative manifestations of Sag energy.

I overdo EVERYTHING. On some level, I think I'm better than most everyone else, and entitled to special treatment on account of my unique destiny (Jup is in Leo, Sun is in Scorp). Despite the fact that I'm what most people would probably call "a good-for-nothing, ineffectual, opportunistic, parasitic drop-out, with his head in the clouds", I continue to think of myself as a self-taught quasi-genius, with his eye fixed firmly on the ultimate prize, who, one of these days, is going to publish at least one great book (Pluto, ruler of my Sun and Midheaven, is also in the 9th house of publishing, as is Venus, which rules the sign on the 9th house cusp, and conjuncts the Midheaven), which will change the face of the world as we know it forevermore.

Only time will tell who's full of it.

hsc

posted January 08, 2006 12:29 PM              

I was so glad to read your post. What do you THINK that Square does? It's probably difficult to tell, like you said, cuz you have a lot of Sag influences.

But, does this particular type Square create a sort of "chip on the shoulder" so that you are inclined to believe you are ominpotent as opposed to average? It's like an exhaggeration or slightly twisted way of rising above the insecurity the Square may create. You might even call it blind faith, since the Sun feels in charge of the House, but the Planet it Rules is like a continual arrow in the ribs. It's like saying FU to the arrow rather than give up power over the House.

Does that make any sense the way I wrote it?

I'm not the one with this particular Square, nothing Aspects my Sun.

posted January 08, 2006 12:38 PM              

Long time no see.

How's my twin been doing these days?

posted January 08, 2006 01:30 PM              

I'm still here, so I guess that counts for something!

How's your life these days? Maybe we are learning similar lessons these days.

posted January 08, 2006 02:14 PM            

Now that you mention it, I would speculate that, while the Sun in the 9th, along with Merc/Mars in Sag, inclines me to deduce the abstract principles behind most occurences, that Square to Jupiter may be precisely what inclines me to overdo it, and speculate the presence of multiple, often contradictory, lessons in most everything. Refusing to resort to mere practical thinking, - or, as you said, to give up control of the house, - I (or my Sun) will often choose to believe in whichever lesson is more convenient at the time.

Do I think I'm omnipotent?
I wish, because, I suspect that, if I only did think it and believe it with all my heart, I probably WOULD be omnipotent.

But, yeah, there's definitely a stubborn belief in my own ability to perform effortlessly tasks which most people must work very hard to accomplish. Like writing a book. I figure, when the fruit is ripe, it will just fall from the tree. I would have to attribute a lot of this to the sign placement of Jupiter. Carl Jung was a Leo, and his works were not written for the public; rather, they were a natural by-product of his own internal search for himself. According to Liz Greene, this is exactly how Leo's create.

And, its true, I have a bit of Leo's blind faith in the Universe. I want so desperately to believe that death (and, in particular, suicide) is an escape and a release, and, often, I forget my doubts to the contrary. I'll dismiss as misguided, what The Tibetan Book of the Dead teaches about the lower realms of suffering, demon-battling, and compulsory reincarnation. Instead, I'll accept as gospel the sugar-coated teachings of the New Agers, who say that, when we die, we are instantly embraced by love and light, and drawn into the open heart of God, and can remain in that perfect loving state, as a beam of light, until we decide when and where, and under what minutest conditions, we would like to be reincarnated. (As if anyone ever would.)

People try to talk to me about discipline and the realities of life, and I insist that, when I find my inspiration, it will motivate me of itself. People say, "sometimes, in life, we have to do things we don't want to do," and I make a gesture as if to brush away a fly or a speck of dust on my pants. I tell them, as I tell myself, that, the moment I forget why I'm doing something, - that is, why I WANT to do it, - all I have to do is reflect on the fact that it is my own choice to do it or not to do it; after all, I could always kill myself instead. Ofcourse, its absurd, and it rarely consoles me when the buck stops (or the bucks stop). But, then, this is probably due more to my Saturn-Neptune Square.

In any case, I know I shouldn't use these squares to excuse anything. Both (Sun-Jupiter, and Saturn-Neptune) have pretty wide orbs (over 5°).
I blame Uranus and Pluto instead, lol!

posted January 08, 2006 09:18 PM              

Those influences, and my MC & South Node in Aquarius, makes it moreso for me. I was just thinking about this yesterday, how I do not like to read the instructions, or know technically how to do something before I do it.