posted January 05, 2006 10:29 PM              

2) Do those you've had serious relationships with have their Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars in either the same Sign as the Empty Space, or in the Sign which is Ruled by the respective House?

Example: T-Square's Empty Space is Libra in the 4th House. Partner's Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars is in Libra or Cancer.

posted January 05, 2006 10:34 PM              

----------------------------Moon-------------
Empty Gemini Leg------------------Neptune
---------------------------Saturn------------

posted January 05, 2006 10:54 PM              

Was it their Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars which correlates with your House?

posted January 06, 2006 09:18 AM              

So am I right, that for the sake of this discussion, we would be talking about a partner who had their Sun, Moon, Venus and/or Mars in Aries or Pisces? Have you experienced that?

Salisa -

Well, I guess it depends what the T-Squares are doing. Look at both Empty Spaces and write down what the Signs and Houses are.

posted January 06, 2006 09:35 AM              

Are we talking the same jive?

posted January 06, 2006 01:41 PM              

Do you look at just the sign opposite the focal point? I ask because my 11th house cusp is Aries.

Also, for the sign only, do you consider degrees? I.E. For me it would be Taurus anywhere from 5* - 14* I think.

I've dated 1 Taurus guy but it turned out to be only a major friend vibe. Come to think of it, he actually made me some-what uncomfortable cuz he always wanted to jump my bones and I didn't want him. Had to tell him to go away which was ashame cuz I liked him (but not like that!) My current man does have a Taurus Moon, but, it's 28* so it's not exactly aspecting my T-square, or shall we say it's not turning things into a Grand Cross. Does this still apply to what you mean AJ?

For the Aqua house part, I've never dated an Aqua! I absolutly adore them and think we'd be a nice match. I have several Aqua friends, but only one of them a guy. We never got together.

Finally, I wanted to ask about a couple points in my 11th house in Taurus and how this would affect my T-square. I have Chiron(r)0*Taurus & S Node3*Taurus in my 11th. The degrees are too far away from the opposition part of my T-square, but, they do aspect the focal point (Venus/Uranus) part. Anyone know how/if this would affect the T-square energy?

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted January 06, 2006 01:57 PM            

With my Ex Mr. Taurus he had two T-squares:

1) Moon (Virgo) 5th house: Neptune (Sagittarius) 7th house and Mercury in Gemini 1st house

My Sun fell into his t-square but just into his 8th house - while my Venus in Sag conjuncted his Neptune in the 7th house.

My Pluto in Virgo fell into his 5th house and conjuncted his Moon

2) His second T-square was with his Jupiter (Aries) 12th house: Venus / Saturn (Cancer conjunction) 3rd / 4th house and Pluto (Libra) 5th house.

My Moon in Aries conjuncted his Jupiter in the 12th house, squared his Venus / Cancer conjunction while opposing his Pluto in the 5th house. While my Uranus in Libra singleton conjuncted his Pluto in the 5th house and squared that same Cancer Conjunction

To add insult to injury, My Mercury in Capricorn (my ascendants ruler) completed His T-square and fell into his 8th house

I also have a T-square with:

Moon (Aries) 7th house: Mercury (Capricorn) 4th house and Uranus (Libra) 1st house.

His ascendant Ruler, (Venus) in Cancer along with that conjuction with Saturn completed my T-square and fell into my empty 10th house.

We had a boatload of conflict.. as you can see, considering his personal planets and my personal planets each squaring, opposing or conjuncting planets in our own T-square.

It was a Karmic bond that was out of this world.. for good and mostly for Bad.. but there is a tie that cannot be broken. I have to say, that of all the relationships in my life, the one I had with him (and he would say the same.. as he already has) has affected me on a very deep level.

posted January 06, 2006 03:58 PM              

beebuddy -

Be careful assuming the Empty Space in your T-Square automatically falls into the 4th House. You have to actually look at it.

pidaua -

The Transits lately have been testing the status quo. The Transiting Moon & Uranus were Conjunct, causing whacky emotional behavior. See what House they are in. They were falling in my 8th House and I've been feeling EXTREMELY sexually charged, like wanna get freaky even.

There was also Transiting Venus & Chiron Conjunct, which is sort of revealing to us what our partners' true hurts are, but because of the Moon/Uranus Transit, it's being expressed in whacky ways. Luckily we speak astrologese and have a chance to translate the innuendos.

posted January 06, 2006 04:53 PM              

I am not sure I get what's meant by the empty leg, is it the space, houses between the T-square and focal point?! On either side? Or as Hexxie said, the space opposite the focal point?! Or all the Empty houses in general?!

If my T-Square is first house Saturn, squaring Moon, venus, mars chiron in Taurus in 10th, then 12th house Cancer would be the empty leg because Gemini the 11th is full?

If that's the case, I cannot say I respond to cancers romantically at all (my best friend, male, is a cancer though, I tend to think he completes me in a lot of issues, and although I do trust him, I find it VERY hard to confide in him (his planets are in my 12th house though which are supposed to make trust easy, or difficult I don't know?), however, he finds it easy confiding in me. But I have had a significant relation with a Capricorn which is the opposite of the leg, if I understood you correctly, and with a scorpio which opposes the focal point and squares the already squared saturn! Cappy 6th house, Scorp 4th!

The ones who truly trigger all the Chironic and Moon issues in my chart are Pisces, 8th house. Not sure how that relates to the square. Hmmm... How do you respond to your 8th house people?

Interesting theory, because I read that if we have a T-square and met someone whose planets form a Grand Cross with our planets, it is an immediate negative gut reaction to them. So your theory might be the reversal of that! Good observation! But I think we respond well to ALL our empty houses people, no?

posted January 06, 2006 04:56 PM              

BUT, I still want to know if that is what Astro-Junkie is referring to.

posted January 06, 2006 05:26 PM              

Did you figure it out? Your empty leg is indeed your 4th house.

In your and your wife's synastry you have a T-square with: her Venus, opposed your Venus, both squared (focal points) her Saturn and your Pluto. The 5th is both of you together's empty leg (hehe that sounds kinda funny).

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted January 06, 2006 08:08 PM              

Think of the T-Square as a three-legged table. You know how when you sit at a table which wobbles? There's always that one leg you put the pack of sugar under so that it stops...

Well... that pack of sugar goes in the Empty Space. The opposite of your Focal Point. You can't do this in your head because the House may be different than you think. You really need to get a visual by looking at the Wheel.

The missing leg is the Empty Space.

beebuddy -

Look to see if your partner's Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars is in Pisces or Cancer.

Pidaua -

Sorry to hear about the scorned lover gone wild. Does drama really follow you that much? Do you have Saturn in Leo maybe?

posted January 06, 2006 09:51 PM              

Have read about strong configs attracting their missing counterparts in astro articles in the past. if I find the specific one Im thinking about I'll post it.

Am currently with a man whose strong natal trine I turn into a super-lovely Grand Trine w/my stellium. Much nicer than all those pesky squares. We work fabulously together.

posted January 06, 2006 09:59 PM            

My three most serious relationships were with a (1)Scorpio Moon (2) Scorpio Sun/Venus (3)Taurus Venus and Mars