posted January 21, 2006 10:20 PM              

I'd stay away from LSD if I were you. I tampered with it when I was young and stupid. It can be pretty dangerous. You never know who's making it.

There are natural things that are much better anyhow... IMO.

posted January 21, 2006 11:30 PM              

Look at the placement and aspects to Neptune. If Neptune were conjunct Sun it would amplify Neptunes importance in your chart. Even if Neptune had lots of aspects to it or where part of an aspect pattern like a yod or t-square then it would be more important in your chart.

posted January 22, 2006 12:03 AM              

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Another characteristic of Neptune in the chart is it's tendency to dissolve. The house in which it falls can contain a continuous sense of insecurity, a feeling that anything there could go away at any time. Confusion in the area which Neptune affects is a real possibility, again, due to it's distortion effect. Intoxication is a Neptunian quality which includes alchohol and recreational drugs. As a matter of fact, people with a strong Neptune are often warned to avoid intoxication as much as possible, and may even need to take additional care with prescription drugs.

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posted January 22, 2006 12:09 AM              

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Neptune in the Fourth House 4th hs
Neptune in Sagittarius
Neptune Opposition Midheaven
Mars Square Neptune
Neptune Square Ascendant
Jupiter Sextile Neptune
Saturn Sextile Neptune
Neptune Sextile Pluto

posted January 22, 2006 12:19 AM              

so... can you confirm or deny the drug thing?

I was just looking at some charts of people I know... one in particular I know to have a BIG issue with "using".

This person is a Scorp Sun, Scorp Moon, Saggie Rising.
Neptune (Sorpio 11th) is:
Conjunct Sun
Conjunct Moon
Conjunct Mars
Sextile Saturn
Sextile Pluto

posted January 22, 2006 12:32 AM              

Drugs and Alcohol can be really blissfull, May sound strange but when im under the infuence i start talking to people that arent there. strange thing is i feel like they are. I suppose im strange. ~shrugs~

posted January 22, 2006 01:52 AM            

anyways..
it seems that many of the most important milestones in my spiritual and intellectual development were marked by drugs. "how sad", in a way.. but it also makes me thirsty for getting to these places in a natural way.. and when I say natural I don't mean mushrooms either (although they were used by various shamans)

I have a very interesting friend (Libra, Cap Moon, Aqua rising) who left the world of substances and I feel he is about as close to "enlightenment" as anybody I've ever met. We spoke about drugs and spiritual experiences and he told me a fascinating theory he has:
he believes that the process of cracking the blinding shell, throwing off the blanket.. (insert whichever metaphor you feel aptly captures the essence of the fog that surrounds us in our daily lives and keeps us from experiencing the "reality" that we are hungry for).. this process is complex and difficult and requires great patience and dedication..
but drugs are a shortcut.. why so many of us are drawn to them..
BUT the trouble lies in the fact that when it's done in that abrupt way, we are not ready for what we experienced, don't have the proper scheme/vocabulary to comprehend what it was and as soon as we come down from whatever we were "on", we are thrown back into the darkness, the blanket, and then we are confused, upset, and want more more more of that feeling, that place, that insight, that lightness that freedom..
so it's back to the drug that brought us there.
He says the slow way.. meditation, prayer, thought, conversation, learning, yearning..
is so much more difficult and time-consuming.. but it stays.. once you manage to throw the blanket off that way, you are on that high, beautiful mountain-top forever..

posted January 22, 2006 04:11 AM              

I made sure I looked the substance up in a pharmaceutical handbook first. Not being the stupid sort, I'm not putting anything in my body unless I know exactly what it's going to do.

There's an amazing amount of misinformation about LSD in circulation. Some LSD "Urban Legends" are that it puts crystals in your spine that stay for years, or that can make you go insane. In truth, you cannot overdose on it. You cannot become addicted to it. Which is more than you can say for alchohol. Or cigaretts.

It is also a myth that mushrooms or peyote are somehow safer because they are "natural." Lots of natural things are poison.

(I did lots of research.)

It is not a "substance" that gets in your bloodstream. It's a microscopic chemical code that tells parts of your brain to switch off. Like the sleep center. When that happens, other parts of your brain can become far more active.

I don't feel it's good for people who have pre-existing dark mental issues. They'll probably have a bad experience.

When I tried it I went out into the woods and had a very spiritual experience, becoming aware of the nature around me. I was in awe of all the beauty that I had been missing, everything about life I had taken for granted. I appreciated world much more.

posted January 22, 2006 04:50 AM              

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posted January 22, 2006 05:54 AM            

Acid can be a wonderful thing. But it must be very respected. It can't be stressed enough how necessary it is to have strong psychological control of yourself before you try it, and just about every time thereafter.

Sunsets/Sunrises, positive music and good friends around who have had prior experience with it are necessary. Strictly positive vibes only! Put your wallet and car keys in a safe place, and think positive.

I would definitely not recommend this drug to everyone.

LSD is just about the most psycho-active drug that seems rather available. And I could not imagine how anyone could ever possibly become addicted to it, its just not that type of drug. But I disagree with LeylaLeFay about the overdose part- you can't "O.D." in the traditional sense, but you definitely can take too much, and often only an extra drop or two will take you too far for comfort.

But yes, it can be dangerous if made poorly. LSD is a very complicated drug to make properly. Anymore, pure acid is rare and most available batches have been made by clandestine chemists and contain "contaminants". Usually these contaminants aren't harmful, necessarily, but they can produce a less desirable trip. Some acid is manufactured so poorly it more resembles amphetamines and can lead to racing, hyper feelings (giving it that "speed" sensation), lock-jaw (a tendency towards constant teeth grinding), and extreme paranoia, completely bereft of the pleasant waves of visual and physical sensation washing over you that gives LSD the real purpose for ingesting.

My advice- know your dealer! Better yet, take a dose from a batch a trusted friend has already sampled.

posted January 22, 2006 06:10 AM              

Of course, I don't know all there is to know about astrology, but personally, I have:

Neptune in the 1st (Sagittarius)
Neptune conjunct Ascendant 1°47
Sun Quincunx Neptune 1°58
Moon Square Neptune 0°17
Mercury Trine Neptune 3°54
Mars Square Neptune 1°00
Jupiter Quincunx Neptune 1°46
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°09

I'm 27 years old, and I have NEVER taken any drugs, nor felt the least bit inclined to do so! Haven't smoked a single cigarette, have NEVER gotten drunk, not once! (Don't even like the taste of alcohol...) And I have no desire whatsoever to change that in the future.

posted January 22, 2006 06:48 AM              

Remember, the stigma is attached to the physical properties and effects of the drugs after the "high".

You cannot condemn those that go down that road, far too close-minded, if taken on the understanding that they are either trying to reach a new level of experience or hiding from something they cannot face in reality. Or simply trying to have a good time or fit in, that ALWAYS masks something much deeper, sometimes disturbing.

But, like everything in life, it is all about balance. And choice. When drugs are abused this is something else entirely. In a perfect world we could all reach Nirvana, but if enlghtened souls like the Red Indians and Dalai Lama(which I saw above but have not heard of this myself) incorporate a form of natural (and modified)substances to achieve this heightened state of awareness you can see how broad the spectrum of motivation to try would be.

I have nothing against the experimental or spriritual side of it and have tried almost everything that doesn't require a needle (totally off the chart for me - but can still have some compassion). The clubbing scene in the UK has been infused with the use of Ecstacy and the like for more nearly 20 years now. I even worked a season in a Spanish Balearic island call Ibiza which is the world's clubbing and hedonism capital (which, funnliy enough was supposedly ruled by the God of Dance and inebriation through 3000 years of mythology) so have seen much.

I have also seem the addicts and the poor souls who have had their lives fall apart when they are hooked and mentally and spiritually disabled.

This results from poor information, misguided motivation and lots of internal issues to contend with.

I think the water signs are of course more prone to try to escape the world for a better experience, while others may just not understand but appreciate the physical "buzz".

I don't find drugs "cool", but they have been known to be fun.

I have Neptune in Sagittarius in the First House along with my Scorpio Moon so this may explain my stance on this, as well as being a Pisces of course.

But, I have always understood the dangers of "the Pit" thats lies beneath these choices and have the willpower to pull back and simply taste the experiences.

I smoke up to 40 cigarettes a day so do have an addicted personoality, but have always consciously decided not to go too far down the road with drugs, most often being the only one in our group that refrains completely or takes a tiny amount to alieve flagging engery.

This is a far more complicated argument than "get high man" or "disgusting behaviour of degenerates and sinners".

So many deeper levels of understanding needed to approach it.

Some of us are just lucky enough to be able to reach higher levels of consciousness without needing their assistance, others are not. Judgemental opinion is useless, but personal experiences like Secret's and Salisa's are invaluable to keeping the balance.

One thing I have noticed is that sometimes those that become too puritanical on this subject can find their offspring that much more determined to see what all the fuss is about. Then the reality of the darkest side of it comes to face them anyway and they are ill-prepared. It is a part of life, good or bad, it is there, and shaming and blaming will make no headway. Only compassion and wisdom will, and of course strong-mindedness and discipline which it would be beyond foolish to ignore.

posted January 22, 2006 08:06 AM              

10 grams of Vitamin C (with plenty of water) and half a litre of mango juice when consumed in one day, gives a sort of physical high.

I am only taking 2-3 grams though, but once in a while I take the 10 gram super dose.

Next substance to abuse would be Red Wine Extract.