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ladyluv1104
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posted January 22, 2006 08:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello everybody,im new here,
just wanted to know if any one knows ,what it means if someone saturn falls in your 12 th house. could that mean some thing karmic.

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Arnicka
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posted January 22, 2006 08:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lady No personal experience w/this placement so I'll type what I have from Neville's -Planets in Synastry-

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Saturn will tend to feel an unconscious tug in this house which is not entirely pleasant. The house person will be perceived as someone to whom the Saturn person has a kind of karmic debt, an unavoidable obligation, which must be paid even if the price is unwelcome. Even a normally assertive and confident personality may feel disarmed by the house person if their Saturn in overlaid by the 12th, almost as if some of the structural firmness of the Saturn person's self-image is weakened by the presence of the other person. Still, there is a deep pull in this response which leaves the Saturn person often unable to avoid the demands of the house person. How the house person responds to this depends largely on how much compassion and integrity they possess, a synastric analysis problem for us to solve. Clearly if the Saturn person is in a position to be badly used or exploited, we should try to point this out and create an awareness of this vulnerability.

Hope this sheds some light

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ladyluv1104
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posted January 23, 2006 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it does ,and thanks for looking into that for me.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 23, 2006 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So would that effect a person with Pisces sun or say Moon or Venus in the 12th and the other person has Saturn in the 12.

Would the results be the same as explained above..I hope that I am making sense, I know what I mean just hard to explain...

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Arnicka
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posted January 24, 2006 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mama Mia, I think I know what youre trying to get @ and to me it sounds more like a de facto conjunction? One person's 12th house is modified by Pisces personal planets [meaning that theyre v.much @ home] and the other's is modified by Saturn's influence and Saturn is umcomfy w/that energy...? So that it *almost* operates in a Sun in Pisces conj the other person's Saturn in Pisces aspect. I hope thats right

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posted January 24, 2006 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EightBitGnosis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Peri
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posted January 24, 2006 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They will make you feel as if you had your natal Saturn placed in the 12th house.

You may feel somewhat caged while this person is around, as if they put heavy burden (responsibility) on your shoulders.

Painful issues may arise making you look more deeply into your Self and your real needs.

This placement can be quite challenging but again, aspects and both of your charts should be taken into consideration.

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Planet_Soul
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posted January 24, 2006 07:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about if someone's Moon and Uranus falls in your 12th house? ~worried~

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Arnicka
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posted January 24, 2006 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EightBitGnosis ~

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It's like our heart is some huge hall that just echos forever.

I have quite the imagination, or at least i like to think so, and cannot even fathom what this must feel like. Very poetically written, though

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Arnicka
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posted January 24, 2006 09:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri, if you would, explain briefly how you think Saturn would act in someone's else's 8th house? Id appreciate this. The descrip in Neville's book is v.disturbing, suggesting that the relationship is stalker-like where the Saturn person sees the 8th house person as prey.

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Arnicka
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posted January 24, 2006 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planet_Soul: Were you asking for what Neville's position is on these placements from that text or was the Q directed 2 Peri?

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Peri
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posted January 25, 2006 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 8th house

The 8th house person, I think, may feel acutely vulnerable in situations of emotional and sexual intimacy, while the Saturn person may appear as controlling, obsessive and even abusive; if the aspects (both natal and synastry) are supportive then the Saturn person will help the 8th house person to develop more responsible attitude to their relationship.

Moon in the 12th house

If the aspects are stressful the Moon person may trigger the most painful reactions in the 12th house person which the latter will try to conceal and leave unresolved. The 12th house person may also suffer from little nurturance or lack of emotional support from the Moon person.
If aspects are supportive then the Moon person will help the 12hth house person to acknowledge his/her deepest fears and complexes and recognize their own emotional nature and by that accept it.

Uranus in the 12th house

The Uranus person will make the 12th house person face his/her psychic potential and sense of individuality; whether this experience be painful or not depends on the aspects.

e.g. He promised to take you out (or do anything else that implies spending time together) but then calls and says: Honey, I am very sorry, I cannot go with you tonight, got an urgent piece of work to be done ect......... and this happens all the time when it comes to you being together.

Such situations usually cause deep hurt and the feeling of being abandoned/forgotten/neglected/ ignored; so the 12th house person has 2 ways of dealing with this:

1) to leave his/her partner
2) to develop inner independence;

e.g. he to you: hey sweety, I am terribly sorry I am afraid we won't be able to ……..tonight

you to him: oh its ok sweetheart, don’t worry, we will…… next time

you to yourself: yay! Finally I can spend the whole evening reading LL threads (lol) /practising charka opening/doing Tarot readings ect..ect…ect


You should always bear in mind that any synastry analysis starts with that of the natal chart!

I mean if, for example, I have stressfully aspected 7th house (or planets there) I will find any serious relationships difficult regardless of my partners. His supportively aspected planet in my stressfully aspected house cannot solve the problem and will probably activate it just a bit later! if I try and work on it then the synastry person will be of great help and inspiration for me.

If both partners’ planets/houses are stressfully aspected, then their interactions may turn to be very painful and traumatic for one or both of them.

If my 7th house is ‘well-aspected’ and the synastry planet falling there is not, then it is the synastry person that brings fears and complexes into the relationship projecting them on me etc.

If both partners’ planets/houses are supportively aspected, things may go so smoothly that there is a possibility of insipidity and spiritual stagnation in the relationship.

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Planet_Soul
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posted January 25, 2006 03:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops, should of been more specific (: The question was for Peri, I didn't want to start a whole new thread (: Thanks for the reply Peri

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Arnicka
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posted January 25, 2006 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks, Peri.

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