posted January 23, 2006 02:17 AM              

Jupiter is "expansion" and Saturn can be felt as "restriction" (but also "structure). When these two energies conjunct (energy is combined with) each other, there can be trade offs between extreme optimism (expansion) and extreme depression (restriction). The challenge is to STRUCTURE the expansion: let Saturn energy act as a "regulator" and "channeler" of overly expansive Jupiter energy. Re-invisioning these energies in this way will help them to work TOGETHER as a functioning whole.

Expansively structured,

Tim

posted January 23, 2006 10:23 AM              

I too have the Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction, 4 Degrees apart. I don't think anyone else here has said they have this yet. And to top it off, just like you they are in CAPRICORN! And ... I'm also a writer and also take great care in my work. My Conjunction is in my 9th House, so this helps a little bit because it gives a little more positive power to the 9th House/Jupiter.

I think this Conj forces one to accept how much time things really take to ripen, and it's kind of slowwwww....

Yet, once the foundation is solid, worth it.

posted January 25, 2006 04:37 PM              

So you have a NN in Leo too? I don't know if that has anything to do my writing, I suppose it does because it's my struggle to come into my own, right? To have my goals noticed (Leo)... However, I do NOT seek fame. I don't have the need to be acknowledged through my writing so much as I'd hope I inspire people. You know ... it's not for monetary hopes either.

As for prefering your own company, it's kind of ironic, isn't it? Since we have that NN in Leo. But I'm the same way, and I think it has to do with our Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction in Saturn. I do not feel comfortable around people unless I'm DOING SOMETHING, like playing cards, or watching a movie, or if I'm working in a social atmosphere. Not good with idle chit chat at all. It has to have purpose and direction.

I usually need someone to be like, come on! Let's go out to such and such, and even then most of the time, I'll not go unless I already know them VERY well, and are comfortable with them, and know I won't be in the corner left to my own demise.

I also have Moon in Cancer in the 3rd Opp Saturn in Cap in the 9th. Even the Houses are Opposites!

posted March 27, 2006 01:43 PM              

Wonder if this would be harder/easier than your conjuction or actually quite similar.
I write to be loved and noticed and praised, hahahaha, the 5th house. But I take it very seriously too.

My South node is Leo by the way, NN aquarius.....

posted March 29, 2006 10:14 PM              

I'm still learning a whole lot about this myself, but I do feel that this is starting to ring true for me...

posted April 14, 2006 12:34 AM              

... you CRASHED the thread... hee hee ...

I would go to the INTERACTIVE CHARTS section of astro.com, where you can click on each Planet and House in your Wheel, and you'll get a pop-up with an interpretation. That Opposition may not be within a small orb, so keep that in mind too. But if it DOES come up that they are considered Opposite by Degree, cut and paste the interp here, I'd love to see how similar it may be to the Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction, or how that would play out differently.

And, interesting that you also have those Node similarities to us as well.

LeapofFaith -

I like that quote. I read it and it makes me wonder how someone with "lighter" Jupiter/Saturn Aspects would probably YAWN while trying to read it, you know? Because all those challenges with Saturn in a NATAL, lasts a LIFETIME... at least a shytty Transit is temporary. We have to learn to live with OURSELVES...

If you read that quote keeping in mind, what if the person never feels like they arrive? I mean, just to help one imagine, it requires so much of us that if just ONE of those psychological components don't come through for us, it can lead to paranoia, depression, isolation and a sense of not being "worthy".

The part about needing to feel like we've worked through problems through PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is very true for me, and at one point I theorized that since my Jupiter & Saturn were in the 9th House of Higher Learning, it made it even moreso for me. I realized at a very young age that I wasn't believing ANYTHING the teachers would say to me.

To this day, I don't go by what someone else says, or by what I read.

Perhaps this component is why we have a few writers in this thread. What do you think?

posted April 14, 2006 12:10 PM            

These 2 planets do not like to be together.

But if forced through conjunction, the positive side is that if they join forces, you can actually accomplish monumental tasks.

posted April 20, 2006 09:23 PM              

Thanks for that reconditioning. You're right. My power can feel like "too much" sometimes. If what you say is true and I apply it to what I know of my Chart, it's like, maybe I can understand why someone would try to cut down my cane tree.

Meanwhile, I've got a foot stomping Cancer Moon who's being ignored. Who knew?!

posted April 21, 2006 03:02 AM              

You will have to learn to balance the tension that exists between yourself and others. This aspect can work out in one of two ways. You may be a rather cautious and conservative person who is constantly being urged to move faster and more decisively, either by persons or by circumstances. Or you may be too fast and careless, so that you are under pressure to slow down and be more careful.
If you can curb your natural restlessness and learn to be more patient, you will be able to go far. This aspect makes it possible for you to work in a disciplined and thorough manner, so that anything you build or do will be long lasting
The opposition from Jupiter to Saturn indicates that you fluctuate between knowing what you are worth to having grave doubts of your value. You are never completely sure of yourself and need to be constantly reassured by others that you are as talented as you think.
Because you need approval, you seek people who will make demands on you to prove your competence to them and to yourself. You seem to be looking for yes people to give you the approval you require.
You are inclined to look for the easy way out of duty, and some people may call your irresponsible. This attitude needs some adjustment. First, you must face reality and accept the responsibilities it brings; second, you should learn how your behavior hurts people and try to be less indifferent to them. If you can change in these ways, you can rise to any goals you set for yourself.
The same problem in evaluating your worth will crop up in personal relationships, both in friendship and in romantic interests. You might well decide to use better judgment in these instances, because it would not do to sever an alliance with someone very special to you.
Once you know what you are worth, you can proceed to develop your potentials for success.

The last few paragraphs sound about right. I think the only thing that helps me in this difficult aspect is that I am lucky enough to have the sun, jupiter and venus conjunct in the fifth house, which makes me positive 75% of the time!

By the way I also have moon in cancer but I thought it was just my full fifth house that got me stamping my foot and stomping for ATTENTION!!!!!

posted April 22, 2006 03:16 PM              

As for that interp you posted, I wanted to break it down a tad for the purpose of comparing the effect of the Opp vs. Conj. I know that most of us who start out in astrology become better at dealing with contradicting interpretations, and this exercise just reminds me of how at first things may seem to contradict, but then something beautiful happens. You are finallly able to value the similarities more, then question the contrasts.

So I'm reading that interp you posted and there are SOOO many things in there which I could very well apply to myself, and it's interesting to ask why that interp would also apply to me, and realize it is very subliminal. For the most part, a Sat/Jup Conjunct would start out by talking more about my inner experience because those two influences have to cooperate WITHIN ME.

Reading the start of yours, the Opposition :::

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You will have to learn to balance the tension that exists between yourself and others.

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... it's going existential. I mean, I don't know if a blanket rule can be applied in that a person experiences a Natal Conjunction as a very internal experience, or is at least presented in that way in the interpretations. And that an Opposition in a Natal requires more attention be paid to the interaction itself to the outside world. Does that make any sense to anyone? Would love to hear more on that if there's an existing understanding too.

Again the next sentence :::

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This aspect can work out in one of two ways. You may be a rather cautious and conservative person who is constantly being urged to move faster and more decisively, either by persons or by circumstances.

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This also deals directly with the interaction of that native & others.

As far as how that interp would compare to my understanding of my Conjunction, again, there just seems to be more emphasis on how others will see you when it comes to Oppositions, and more results-oriented in the Conjunction based on internal cues.

However, it would seem the Opposition would be easier to access, if only in the guise of goal, there would be more immediate satisfaction. The Conjunction may not be so easily expressed, not even it's intention, until that internal work has been completed, and completed correctly!

So I don't know which is the bigger challenge!