posted January 29, 2006 01:34 AM              

They understand each other need of personal SPACE.

posted January 29, 2006 08:46 AM              

... and here's the Aquarius Sun/Venus/Chiron girl who couldn't resist ...

posted January 30, 2006 01:27 PM              

i believe...

if you have the person's birth data and can figure out if there are exact antiscia hits, then that usually explains really intense connections that aren't readily apparent...

but, to a certain extent the signs that are related by antiscia do operate well together, though the connection may not be as intense.

ptolemy describes this scheme, where he says that 'signs which behold each other' are also signs of equal power since they are equally removed from the tropics. he explains that they 'behold' one another, partly because they rise and set in the same part of the horizon, and partly because when the sun comes into either of them the days are equal to the days, the nights to the nights, and the lengths of their own hours are the same.

"Antiscion gives us instead a notion of 'likeness' based upon the similarity of the degree of the zodiac as it relates to rising times and the equality of days and nights. In contra-antiscia, it is based upon an inverse reflection because the days of one are mirrored by the night of the other. With antiscion a more immediately equivalent factor is involved; with contra-antiscion it is an opposing principle so the relationship is more difficult or antipathetic."

this is a great article:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html

jonathan pearl has a cool website, and i found this little blurb by him on his forum:

The antiscia are a set of 'mirror points' that have tremendous importance in the chart - as least that is what the Greeks thought, and after looking at hundreds of charts, I agree wholeheartedly. In terms of what they represent, it is like looking at any planet in a sign. Let's say the antiscia of your ASC falls in the 9th house. That means you personally are very much involved with education, travel, or religion. If the antiscia of your MC falls in the 3rd house, then your career might have very much to do with communiction or short trips, depending on the sign involved and the rest of the chart. Got it?

What I find most interesting about antiscia is their importance in synastry. There are many couples where you don't really see strong connections in the charts and it is easy to wonder what is happening. But there are nearly always direct hits between the antiscia!

If you are interested and know enough astrology to understand comments on planets and signs, my talk of last week on both antiscia and duodecima will be available soon from Sun Recordings. I demonstrate these techniques with the charts of Dalai Lama, Hitler, the USA and couples Brad Pitt & Jennifer Aniston, John Lennon & Yoko Ono, Frida Kahlo & Diego Rivera, and Ginger Rogers & Fred Astaire.

TO scotscorp:

oh yes, you got that right -- the antiscion of your Asc falls just 1° away from your mars. what house is your mars in? this point would be very sensitive -- the actual antiscion of your Asc would be scorpio 7°, so basically watch transits to this point. transits to this point (conjunctions) would indicate something hidden or not easily seen would occur...something behind the scenes might occur in your life.

according to jonathan pearl, where the antiscion of your Asc falls (what house it lies in) would indicate what area of life you are very personally involved in.

for instance, my Asc is at 12 libra, making the antiscion of it 18 pisces, and this point would fall in my 6th house. this is very interesting, as i am involved in and fed by volunteer work. i love being of service. even as a teen, i volunteered at the homeless shelter and the food bank as often as i could. i also got involved with the MH/MR (mental health/mental retardation) group here in texas around the time of my junior year. i volunteered for the peer program, where i got to make friends with a particular person in the program (my friend was an elderly woman with mild paranoid schizophrenia) and see her once a week, that was the commitment. kind of like big brothers/big sisters, only with mentally challenged people.

i am also very into dietary stuff. i get into phases, i don't do fad diets but boy, am i ever into health crazes. like toxin clean-outs...gosh, anything of that nature. for instance, i have a big thing about refined sugar. i hate it. i try to stay away from it as much as possible. i just get on these kicks where i decide to try this or that.

of course, i have a 6th house sun so perhaps these qualities are emphasized.

also, a technique that i have found that works well in horary is to find the antiscion of a particular house cusp -- whatever house is relevant like for instance in horary you might take the 1st house since this is the querent's house -- take the antiscion point of this house and look at the sabian symbol for it. this will tell you what's going on in this house. in horary this works well i have discovered, esp. in relationship horaries. i usually find that the sabian symbol for the antiscion of the 1st house to describe exactly where the querent is at, and the sabian for the antiscion of the 7th to describe where the significant other is at.

i don't know about this technique as applied to the natal...but let's experiment. the antiscion of your Asc is scorpio 7, right? here is the sabian for that:

DEEP-SEA DIVERS

You may find a need to get deep below the surface to find out what's going on. It is down within the unconscious and within the intuitive wisdom that you must search for solutions. Breath meditations may help induce the positive, rewarding side of this Symbol. Plunging in to risky situations will prove to be both rewarding and interesting, in some measure.

Studying unconscious energies will uncover wonders. Being able to see things others can't.

The Caution: Pretending to be plumbing the depths -but just for show. Escapism.

does this resonate with you?

oh my goodness, i just checked the sabian for the antiscion of my Asc --

IN A HUGE TENT A FAMOUS REVIVALIST CONDUCTS HIS MEETING WITH A SPECTACULAR PERFORMANCE

You may find that there is a need to organize and stage a display of the situation, bringing a feeling of community together in a common goal. Sometimes this pictures a situation of hysteria or overstating one's case, so there's needs to be some feeling of moderation here. With the power to influence or sway groups of people, there needs to be some feeling of care and moderation. Is the audience listening? Is the cause just?

Energy and inspiration. Having a lot to say. Evangelism. Whipped up emotions. Being instructional and dogmatic.

The Caution: Using spiritualism for greedy financial gain. Overblown feelings of one's abilities.

my god, that fits! this fits because i think i often overstae my case, particularly where my sister is concerned, i live with her, and she sometimes drives me nutso. when we argue, this is my natural tendency -- to just go on & on about what's wrong! i mean, i try not to be a windbag, but that tendency is there. i also love teaching, instruction. i work for a uni even! and i would also say i can be very dogmatic.

all in all i think using the sabian for the antiscion of a relevant house cusp will often show you stuff that goes on behind the scenes, some sort of shadow side of what that house represents.

anyways, hope this helps!

-chrissy

posted January 30, 2006 06:00 PM              

My Scorpio Mars is at 6 degrees in the 3rd house. My Aqua Desc. is obviously at 23 degrees, starting the 7th house.

I have five planets in the 3rd, domino-ing to conj. each other.. including Mercury and Uranus. I was born to learn.

6th house is empty, and 7th house has Jupiter at 8 degrees Pisces.

So the antiscia points work either way? Angle to planet and planet to Angle?

Angela

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posted January 30, 2006 08:45 PM              

Thanks. You're very knowledgeable about this. And props for your extensive volunteer work. What a challenge!

posted January 31, 2006 03:33 PM              

i do believe antiscions work for both points and planets in the chart. meaning, checking the antiscion of the ascendant and what house that falls in natally appears to yield interesting info -- like we discussed with your chart, my chart, AJ's chart.

the antiscions of planets are important to check, too. not only so you can know if someone is activating them through synastry, but you can watch transits to these points as well. transits to the antiscions might show something is going on underneath the surface, something not easily detected.

AJ, thank you! it's so funny, i was just talking about organizing yet another project last night with a friend. we were thinking about doing volunteering at KERA (PBS) to support the local arts community. it sounded like lots of fun when she mentioned it. generally i tend to pick the heavy stuff (like rape crisis, MH/MR, the like) because i dont know why, i am just attracted to the harder stuff. i feel like pushing myself, and i like giving, my 6th house pisces sun is geared for it. i hate recognition too, my friend that i was talking with last night (this is the same friend i mentioned in your thread on jupiter in the 1st house in synastry, she is the sag sun/pisces moon that i share a double whammy sun-moon connection with -- im a pisces sun/sag moon) is a great gal, but she is loud & boisterous and well, opinionated about stuff...causes. nothing wrong with that, but she's just i dont know, very much an attention-hound, she definitely likes recognition for what she does. maybe this is her leo mars?

it's so weird the antiscion of your Asc falls in your 4th house!! see...there's definitely something to those antiscions.

posted January 31, 2006 03:53 PM              

My 4th House - I've always said, that's the crux of the theme of this lifetime. BIG BIG 4th House issues, so to find the Antiscion there after learning about how cool it is ... it's literally like I'm still in shock. For so long I've been searching for guidance on my 4th House issues. I've studied over and over again, my Planets in my 4th, their Signs, their Aspects, etc. Then extensive research on my True Lilith in that House (h13 in astro.com) in search of help.

And now the Antiscion? Well... I'm preparing myself to take another deep breath and embark on further study. Very much hoping I'll find some answers in the process. I'm just getting started on the Antiscion.

And it's funny how you were saying that it has to do with a mirror of TIME - actual TIME - cuz I was being a little flippant when I said the Antiscion was like a portal in time. But I must say, although I may the only one holding on to this feeling, I'm convinced it IS a time portal, and this is why I have such high hopes for studying it as it relates to my jinxed 4th House. Perhaps I will find the "door", as in William Blake's poem which inspired the rock group "The Doors" :::

“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear as it is, infinite.”

Thanks to all for this great journey.

posted October 24, 2008 01:05 AM              

I actually think Aquas and Scorpios seem somehow more fixed than Taurus and Leo people. I wonder why...

But Aquas can have some Scorpio in them and vice versa... My Aqua man has Mars in Scorpio (and other fixed placements) and his approach to many things is very Scorpionic.

posted January 16, 2009 04:06 AM            

I have 2 aqu rising children and 2 sco rising children...can you imagine what my house is like!?

We all live intensely. The eldest's bf on christmas day told her later that he just sat back and was blown away when the four kids and I were in this major conversation over the turkey, chicken, and ham just taken out of the oven. He said on another day, "Does your family normally have such full on discussions at 11 o'clock at night?"

On birthdays, they still like to wake up early (5 or 6am)and they all come into my bed for the present opening. I always get surprise presents and don't tell anyone what the b'day child is getting. There is also a jumbo sharepack of small chocolate bars(we don't eat the lot in one go tho). I have tried to get them out of it but they love it - the eldest is going to be 18 this year and the youngest will be 12.

posted January 16, 2009 11:49 AM            

Your 100% correct MY S.O and I both require space and breaks from each other quite often.

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Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Capricorn
Ascendant: Libra