posted January 31, 2006 06:47 AM              

1. Capricorn is an earth sign. The Moon is feminine. Why should Capricorn and Scorpio be such "negative" moon signs when they ARE feminine not masculine? The moon is feminine energy and most interpretations on the net say it works best in water and earth

2. I understand the fall and detriment thingy.. but you don't see interpretations of Aqua sun (also in detriment).. being the worst sun sign to have in the universe, followed by a line up of how many world tyrants had *this* sun sign lol.. I mean Osama Bin laden is a Pisces but do you see him mentioned in every Piscean interpretation, nope.. Saddam and Hitler both Taureans with Cappie moons.. do you see them mentioned in Taurus sun interpretations? Nope.. lol Lets play “spot the world tyrant on this astro site” .. They’re all over in the Cap moon interpretation..
Which to me is double standards and I don't really understand where it’s coming from. Is this ona those old wives tales from back in old astrology days when they thought the earth was flat and they prayed to the sun and the moon for rain. Gee maybe someone saw a cloud in the shape of a goat, on a full moon night, when their farm happened to catch on fire, and decided that goats were evil muhahah lol

3. If you look at the planets and say, the Sun and Uranus have more in common than the Moon and Saturn or the Moon and Pluto.. Is this really accurate? Because I mean I could easily find common points for the Moon and Saturn such as need and want of security and stability.. The Moon wants this emotionally. Saturn wants this physically and on a material level. With the Moon and Pluto , emotional intensity is something they have in common. Pluto is very intense and the Moon is very deep. They're both emotional.. but Pluto hides it. The Moon displays it.

4. Selfishness, selfishness, selfishness lol Why is Capricorn, a universal sign ruling a universal house deemed to be so self-centred and selfish? That's beyond me. lol Must be that 3rd century BC farmer, with the burnt down residence. Poor B@stard
A lot of my planets are in transpersonal houses/signs. I have no planets in houses 1 to 4.. and the transpersonal interpretations fit me a lot, in the sense that almost everything I do .. or want to do, involves other people. If it isn't helping other people in some way, I wouldn't even bother doing it.

5. hmm I thought there was a 5, ok maybe not lol

So, does anyone know what the deal is with Capricorn and Scorpio moon? Why are they meant to be such horrible signs for the moon? I’d really like a logical astrological explanation for it.. from someone like Tim maybe *waves at Tim*.. or anyone who knows more about it.

posted January 31, 2006 09:24 AM              

Great rant!!

I don't have rational, astrological explanation, but few musings with a rant. Lunar traits were (well, still are) described as *feminine*. And feminine was (is?) expected to be nice, sweet and subservient. Some other stuff thrown in as well but these three words cover most of the ground. And there is nothing of these qualities in the Plutonian or Saturnian Moon. I have a feeling that the astrologers just couldn't find anything positive to say because the idea of positive feminine Saturn melted their brains into whizz. Sad really. Some older descriptions of Cap Sun women are equally negative - they are not pretty, won't make good wives because they want to rule the house. I think the same attitude was just transferred to Cap Moon without much thought and that's it.

posted January 31, 2006 10:14 AM              

I think its just an astrological bias because the TYPICAL Sun sign descriptions for Capricorn and Scorpio are sometimes the worst in the zodiac! Prior to learning about Moon signs, aspects etc, I didn't believe in Astrology because of the negative, biased descriptions of a Capricorn being calculating, opportunistic, and boring. I couldn't believe in something that described my sun sign entirely based on its most negative characteristics (we all have positive characteristics but they are rarely described). The same feelings come to mind when I read the negative biased descriptions for Scorpios. I'm not saying that we should be blind to the negative, but there should be a balance of focus on both the positive and the negative when describing a personality type.

I think that bias was carried over into the moon signs. I don't think they are the best positions for the moon, but certainly not as bad as they make them seem.

posted January 31, 2006 10:38 AM              

Seriously though, they appear very similar to Aqua Moons - as in detached and laid back…or perhaps reserved is a better word…I dunno

posted January 31, 2006 11:18 AM              

*waves back at Lauren*

You asked:

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...does anyone know what the deal is with Capricorn and Scorpio moon? Why are they meant to be such horrible signs for the moon? I’d really like a logical astrological explanation for it.

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There IS an astrological connection between Capricorn (ruled by Saturn) and Scorpio (ruled by Pluto)...they both are associated with death! Before Pluto was discovered, Saturn was associated with death. Saturn had to do with time and the results from time: one is aging and the other is death. Saturn was the "grim reaper", the man with the sickle who would cut your life off when it came your time to die.

Later, Pluto came along and took over the rulership of death. However, even though Pluto is now here to officially take over "death duties", the "grim reaper" image still clings to Saturn.

And now we turn to the Moon. The Moon, as mentioned in Aen's most helpful post, has to do with nurturing and taking care of things. When the energy of nurturing meets the energy of death (so the traditional astrological thinking goes) the results HAVE to be a problem!

That's why I believe in using "keywords" for psychological astrological interpretations (for more on "keywords" see Step 5 in link below). Once we understand that Saturn has to do with "duty" the old negative meanings for Saturn of age, death, etc. fade away. We can always expand on the "duty" definition and talk about how our duties increase as we age, our duties to those who have died, etc.; but there is always the core concept of "duty" to return to when discussing Saturn.

Dutifully,

Tim

posted January 31, 2006 06:56 PM              

Pixie, I totally agree. It doesn't make much sense to me either. I can see how Cap moon works in my life, and it's played a big part but not at all in the way described. I think they should branch out more with these interpretations.. They're all very standard and negative.

Aen, you know it's funny that you mentioned this. I'm pretty sure I read something along the lines of "if you molded yourself in a more submissive style you'd find yourself a nice husband" more or less lol The Pluto/Saturn thing makes perfect sense. I just wish people looked into these things more. I mean, if Pluto and Saturn were never meant to be connected with something feminine, then why do they both rule over feminine signs? It's silly, in my mind at least, to say Capricorn or Scorpio are less feminine than any of the other earth/water signs. They might be stronger, in the sense that they can take care of themselves, but not less feminine. Capricorn is still earth. Scorpio is still water… and they function as earth and water

SweetCappie,

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I'm not saying that we should be blind to the negative, but there should be a balance of focus on both the positive and the negative when describing a personality type.

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That's so true. That's exactly what I have a problem with. I find it very standard. The exact same negative stuff over and over again. Maybe it's lack of imagination or something. I think a lot of these interpretations have been passed on since before Pluto was even discovered (like Tim mentioned), they should really look at different ways something can pan out.. Both positive and negative

WN, I know lol Cardinals in general don't like to lose. My Sun/Moon and Mars are all cardinal.

Tim, thank you. This death connection is very interesting to me. I did have deaths in my family, which affected me a lot early on. My Moon Is also in the 8th, house of death yikes

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When the energy of nurturing meets the energy of death

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Well personally I think, it's made my emotions very attuned to anyone else's hurt and losses. The nurture/death connection is not always a bad thing.

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our duties to those who have died

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posted January 31, 2006 08:19 PM              

Here are some quotes from Arnold Schwarzenegger, a leo/cappy/cancer.

"Doing your best is not good enough. You must do whatever is necessary to succeed."

"Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength."

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."

"Failure is not an option. Everyone has to succeed."

posted January 31, 2006 08:28 PM              

I know a person who has moon in pisces in the 10th conjunct her midheaven. And a Cap Mars. She injects botox for a living and makes people look new again. If you go through it the feeling is as if your old face died. She used to give shock treatments as a nurse, sun and venus are Scorpio/6th house.

I have the 8th house Cancer Moon. I like destroying old things, and making new ones. I love painting over old walls, and rejuvenating myself and others. I can renovate homes, but I would rather give a healing massage.

A male friend with a Cap moon is good at saying the right thing, he cooks meals that make people feel good, soothing. He like to decorate/renovate.

Another Cap moon I used to know left her ex of 8 years, after he cheated on her, to travel Bali, she is starting a new life there.

These moons are necessary in my life, the only issue I have is they tend to overcommit to their loved ones.

Right now there are a lot of Cap moons in my life, which is a good thing, they are hands off.

I can be hands off too with the people I love the most.

Cap moons are pretty intense and they value commitment and loyalty. The path I am on right now, was determined in part by a Cancer Sun/Cap Moon.

Natasha

posted January 31, 2006 08:28 PM              

I have an 8th House Capricorn Moon like you too

In person, I know of two other people with this Moon sign. And having known the two of them for a while and being able to experience an outsider's perspective, quite frankly I don't blame other people with different Moon signs for saying the things they usually say about the Capricorn Moon.

posted February 02, 2006 11:11 PM              

I believe signs in thier detriment and fall have the greatest ability to transmute that energy into the most positive aspects possible because the opposing energy is close. This is not my own theory by the way. Rob Hand's. Virgo moon get's a bad name too, but originally was considered (in medieval astrology) to be the moon goddess. So virgo is well placed in the moon.. so pppppptttttttt~

PS. Lauren, aries woman.. what makes you so analytical anyway?

posted February 05, 2006 01:11 AM              

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heehee I wish I knew. Ages ago I remember taking a couple of "what's your real sign" quizzes.. and I got Virgo on them. I have no idea why. Maybe it's all the Virgos in my family growing up, it must've rubbed of on me.

posted February 07, 2006 02:34 AM              

also, i've met many aries who totally smash that "me first" stereotype they seem to always have, to bits.