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Topic: Scorp Rising Men- someone please explain them to me!!
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The Mutable Night Force
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posted February 02, 2006 12:42 PM
  
Both me and my mum are going nuts because of these Scorpio Ascendant men we know. I don't think I have the capability to try and explain all the ways they're driving us both nuts but it's uncanny how I can totally identify with what she's feeling, cos the same's happening to me. Neither of them seem like they care anymore or just don't understand. The guy I know seems like he just wants me to absolve him from all responsibility towards my feelings. Everything has to be on their terms when they want it. Now I'm not one for picking on stereotyping here but when it's causing me this much upset I start not to care.Anyone here a man with a strong Scorpio placement or anyone who knows a guy with a Scorp Ascendant?
Any insight as to why they do this... whether and how much they might think about the other person's feelings or generally any kind of help would be great! Cos for the first time in my life I'm genuinely bewildered by some people's motives for doing certain (hurtful) things. Thanks for any help. IP: Logged |
beebuddy
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posted February 02, 2006 02:02 PM
First of all, who wants to be responsible for someone else? I'd like to respond more to you but I can't even see how you could ask this! IP: Logged |
beebuddy
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posted February 02, 2006 02:04 PM
BTW, my ASC. is 20degrees Scorp, 8th house Sun. Pluto in 11th.Ask a different question. Look closer at what you want to know. IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted February 02, 2006 02:43 PM
beebuddy !  (oh yeah ... you and my Stellium - ------------------
... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
beebuddy
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posted February 02, 2006 03:02 PM
AJ,What's your stellium? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted February 02, 2006 03:04 PM
I have a Sag friend with a Scorpio Ascendant. HE can be ruthless. In fact, he prides himself on his sharp tongue even admitting before that he thought he'd be able to take me if we ever got into a verbal war.He's a strange mix of contradictions. Hates his lazy Capricorn girlfriend, but allows her to stay anyway. Tight-fisted with money, but always the man to count on in case of emergency. The most critical, biting tongue I've ever heard from a guy, yet infinitely entertaining in his story-telling and quest to make sense of it all (in the spiritual sense). IP: Logged |
Yung boyl
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posted February 02, 2006 03:07 PM
I'm a Scorpio Rising and I can't even understand myself.IP: Logged |
MoonPixie
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posted February 02, 2006 05:59 PM
my love interest at the moment is a scorpio rising. its difficult to decifer their intentions. they brood...IP: Logged |
Swerve
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posted February 02, 2006 07:03 PM
I don't even know where to begin here.Consider Scorpio Rising like a spiritual firewall. The flames keep out the energy, but can become too hot and burn yourself if you aren't careful. I'm slightly different in that I have my Scorpio Moon in the first house as well, so all that Scorpio energy seeks to defend itself with mystery and power and intensity and passion, but my Moon is visible through it all and like an open book. Imagine a Scorpio who knows he cannot conceal himself, cannot hide his secrets and cannot master his emotions that are constantly on display. It is incredibly hard. Swerve IP: Logged |
Salisa
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posted February 02, 2006 07:23 PM
My dad sun in scorpio stellium. From the scorpios I've known they can be your guardian angel and a devil at the same time. I know this is in particular of my father he can be the most kind person on the face of the earth but if he thinks you have done him wrong(whether you have or not) he can turn evil on you very quickly. Mind games coming out the wazoo. For my father I think it has a lot to do with insecurity. He can be a very very cruel person and overbearing and if your a light hearted person like me this can be unbearable. The thing with scorpios just like with any other sign is that there is good and bad, My sister is totally on the other end of the scorpio spectrum.
When I was little my father didn't think he need to support me in any financial way. My mother was basicaly on her own when it came to raising me but he was perfectly willing to have all the fun stuff from having a kid but non of the bad. It took him many many years he didn't start to change untill he was 56 but he began to devlope as a person. From a man who never said sorry when he was cruel to a man I can say I don't hate any more. But what I am trying to say is there is a huge spectrum in any sign and in trying to pin point some thing like an AC and say that what makes some one act that way can be inaccurate. And even if it were so cut and dry it would not give room for growth as a person like my father. I suspect the problems in the relationships are more than just the AC and the issues could probably be seen better if you look at the natal and synastry charts as a whole. I'm sure people here would be very willing to help you understand your charts. 
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hot_ice
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posted February 03, 2006 05:19 AM
heh heh,nice line boyl Thats just the way it is,we just want our way(thank godness for my gem sun,I can usually see myself in the other persons shoes,it happens late,but better late than never).And quick to anger,if we dont get our way,become bitter and very sarcastic and very silent.....Pity the guy who finally irritates me....yeah And we dont like showing our emotions...
P.S: Everybody wants their way...it's human...we very human 
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solar_third
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posted February 03, 2006 08:26 AM
Most SR men are afraid of losing control; control of their emotions, control of their future, control of their immediate environment etc. Being in a (dependant) relationship is normally counter-intuitive to containing this fear, and they may well react at times, by becoming even more distant than normal, or by attempting to force their hand in any situation that requires them to compromise.I basically equate it as a question of trust and respect. If they trust and respect you enough, then they'll meet you halfway. That depends on the individual, and perhaps, the decanate - I find most SR interpretations to be entirely typical and accurate, however. Good luck. IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted February 03, 2006 09:48 AM
Most people who have Scorpio Rising intimidate me. I'm a very adaptable person, socially, but I never know how to act around a Scorpio Rising. I mean, it's not like I pretend to be someone different, I just have different parts of my personality I let different people see (I'm going to guess that's because my Rising Sign is Virgo...a mutable sign).I know 3 Scorpio Risings. It seems like no matter what facet of my personality I let any of them see, I only get ridicule and criticism. You'd think sextile rising signs would get along. Except they don't. (In my case, anyway.) IP: Logged |
Swerve
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posted February 03, 2006 09:49 AM
"Being in a (dependant) relationship is normally counter-intuitive to containing this fear, and they may well react at times, by becoming even more distant than normal, or by attempting to force their hand in any situation that requires them to compromise."Spot on. I think the tendency here for me is to show my strength and maybe even be somewhat controlling, but not wanting to be so. The worst part is the fear of loss and abandonment that can rise from this inner conflict undeneath it all. Swerve IP: Logged |
solar_third
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posted February 03, 2006 10:53 AM
Nove731,
I've often been told I intimidate people, either by the way I 'look' at them, or by the way I behave around them. It often comes as a surprise to me when I believe I'm acting normally around people, but it sets off unease within them. This could also be to do with my ascendant-sun square, though. Not the easiest of aspects to live with."I just have different parts of my personality I let different people see." I would say that SRs do this more selectively than most, especially the pisces variety, in my opinion, since I don't think they can ever fully understand what it is they feel they 'should' be projecting, and so remain quite guarded/defensive in certain social situations, compared to other sun signs. Controlled self-image and forceful projection are important elements in the SR make, and they do manage to express themselves without thinking about how that affects people, too. "It seems like no matter what facet of my personality I let any of them see, I only get ridicule and criticism" That's their problem, not yours. IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted February 03, 2006 11:11 AM
Ditto to what many others have said:They have a deep-seated feeling of the need to maintain control. That's pretty much the long and the short of it. If something about you or your feelings have led them to feeling in any way out of control, you're either a non-entity or in their cross-hairs...unless they've gotten to the point at which they've learned hard lessons about themselves. (And still even given that - some will, upon learning of their own compulsive need for control embrace that and run with it, using their power of their own ends; others will try to...oddly enough...try to control the effect that their need for control has on others). If the latter's the case, feeling out of control may either lead them to
a) Wanting to get to know everything about you so that they can know the lifespring of these feelings
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b) A deep, inner search. IP: Logged |
beebuddy
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posted February 03, 2006 11:47 AM
More replies please, more replies!! Narcissism isn't satisfied so easily! IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted February 03, 2006 11:56 AM
Ohhhhhhhh, keep it going! My bf is a Virgo with Scorp rising and and Aries moon... talk about locked down emotion and a flair for control! TMNF, you're a Virgo, right? I'd be interested in hearing more about your experiences with Mr. SR. Do you find that you have a lot in common regarding emotional self-control? This sounds a bit familiar: quote:
Everything has to be on their terms when they want it.
I've seen this happen more than a few times, and I've also experienced the feeling that they can be unsupportive of others' emotions. Not all the time, and I don't want to bash any particular sign. I just want to understand better. Do any SR's feel like they don't necessarily experience the passion normally associated with a Scorpio sun sign, but have heaps of defense and elusion? I also find that Scorps fall into one of two categories: A) Those who strive to penetrate the mysteries of themselves and others, who are amazingly insightful, committed to personal growth, and have a beautiful inner "power." (lovely people!) B) And those who don't care a bit about anyone else, and lack clear insight into themselves, resulting in a completely arrogant person who loves to make people feel small. (Sorry if that sounded bitter... he's my boss, and OMG!!! Someone should lock him up!) He'll tell you himself: he's the most fabulous creature who ever roamed the planet. And NO ONE else in the world knows ANYTHING. What would you say is the biggest difference between the Scorp sun person and the Scorp rising? Let's throw the moon in, too, for good measure! IP: Logged |
The Mutable Night Force
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posted February 03, 2006 12:33 PM
Thanks to everyone who's replied!
So sorry I can't list everyone a proper thank you but..... okay well I feel very lazy today... sorry.  beebuddy- haha you know what? I didn't consider that! I'd say good perspective but y'know, you Scorp risings do not need any more praise lavished upon you since you like know you're great anyway, right?  I should have been more specific with my phrasing. I have 8th house sun too. By god I love that placement.
I actually can't ask a question, I just realised. Everything is either too unanswerable or blatently obvious.
Oh nevermind. I give up. Less pondering, more excepting.
I guess people are just the way they are. IP: Logged |
The Mutable Night Force
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posted February 03, 2006 12:38 PM
future... hey  interesting what you're saying about a) and b) I reckon ones I know are a mixture of both really."Do you find that you have a lot in common regarding emotional self-control? " Yeah... funny you should say that since it came up yesterday. I would say so... I think he's saying so too... it's hard to explain but that's what I reckon he was getting at uncannily enough....
What are you interested in knowing..? IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted February 03, 2006 01:00 PM
Heehee... that's a dangerous question to ask a Sag! Are the two of you a couple? Let me get some background first... I can only imagine what it must be like between you two! I would guess that neither of you really know what the other is thinking, but both of you are dying to know. And, often, in a relationship, once one person opens up, the other person opens up a little bit, but I would guess that with the two of you it doesn't quite work out that way. More like, if one of you shares something the other is kind of like, "Hmmm...thanks for sharing." (At least on the surface!) IP: Logged |
beebuddy
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posted February 03, 2006 01:10 PM
Future,Differences between Scorp. Sun and Asc... IMO Scorp Sun's have much more FOCUS and research ability as well as natural logic. Scorp Asc. people are more sensitive to people's weakness, for better or worse. Scorp Sun's passion touches EVERYTHING they do but Scorp Asc. passions are reserved for interpersonal and psychological matters. Scorp Sun's ARE great pscyhologists and Scorp Asc. THINK themselves great psychologists just because they are obsessed with the subject. I find a Scorp Asc. person's gaze equally penetrating but slightly less reptilian as Scorp Sun. Scorp Asc people appear more sad and dark than Scorp Sun people. IP: Logged |
The Mutable Night Force
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posted February 03, 2006 01:14 PM
Haha no well....
Ok first- no, we're not a couple, but there is a mutual attraction and a kind of 'thing' y'know? No relationship mainly cos I'm 15 and he's now... um... too old. Hehe, I mean, not 30 or anything. He's under 22....
Besides, he has a Sag Moon so he's all like "You're taking this too seriously. (I wasn't!) I don't want to get married. Haha."
Background's all.... for a long while we just flirted but ages ago I said I liked him and a while back the feeling was made clear to be both ways
Ok, what you gotta know, is he has a Sag Moon and I have an Aries Moon... so honesty isn't the problem!! It used to be a bit like (cos of my age) that I'd be all flattering towards him and adoring and he'd be restrained, but it's not really like that now. I mean everyone keeps things in occasionally but I'd say he sometimes reveals more than I want to know about some things! Haha. But then again, we mostly only communicate via msn so everything's just words and you only reveal what you want to reveal. Plus, it's easier to tell the truth when you aren't staring someone in the face.IP: Logged |
teaselbaby
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posted February 03, 2006 02:31 PM
What's going on in the rest of their charts? Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars? IP: Logged |
The Mutable Night Force
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posted February 03, 2006 02:37 PM
Hey teasel. You mean me? Or were you talking to someone else?
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