posted February 19, 2006 01:32 AM              

While Uranus is the energy of rebellion (divorce), it is ALSO the energy of restructuring. Marriages undergoing a Uranus transit can be saved if both people in the relationship are willing to do the necessary restructuring, so the flaws in the relationship are repaired and each person feels more comfortable with and more loving toward the other.

Restructuring,

posted February 19, 2006 10:37 AM              

With an Aquarius Sun, change is an elementary part of her makeup. She has probably been thinking of this since Uranus crossed her Sun. At that time, she almost became a different person, so of course her primary relationships will no longer fit.

With several planets involved, this sounds like a MAJOR turning point for your friend. Many things will change as the Uranus conjunctions occur. Chances are, her life will look completely different by the time this concludes.

posted February 19, 2006 03:25 PM            

Each divorce time was triggered by a Uranus transit or a transit to her Uranus (which, by the way, is part of her major Grand Trine)

posted February 19, 2006 07:28 PM              

Any Uranus transit signals the end of relationships and the start of new ones, but usually non romantic ones. Uranus is about the mind so there is a strong desire for intellectual stimulation.

posted February 20, 2006 01:49 AM              

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Tim: What do you know of something called a "natal promise" for setting one up for divorce?

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I am a holistic astrologer who believes in free will and the limitations of free will. This means that I like to look at the chart as a whole in order to understand the energy of the person and where it flows both strongest and weakest. I believe in free will, in the sense that people can choose how to use their strong and weak energies in their life. However, I also believe that there are limitations of free will: people can TRY to do anything they want, but some things they will do better than others. For instance, if a person decided that they wanted to play piano with the skill and ability of Mozart, and they didn't have great piano talent energy in them, they could start playing at the age of five for hours a day and only get a little better at playing piano...because the energy to play piano at a virtuoso level wasn't there.

What does this have to do, if anything, with "natal promise"?! Glad you asked! The "natal promise" idea seems to me to be the idea that we have certain things indicated in our chart that are going to happen, no matter what we do. That, I DON'T believe. There are certain things we may lack the ability or talent to do (such as to play piano as well as Mozart), but we have the free will to work out our life situations any way we want.

There are many ways to relate to others. One way is to constantly date and marry people with whom we are not compatible and refuse to make any changes in ourselves when around them. This will most likely result in a string of divorces. Another way is to be aware of whom we date and marry and make adjustments to our freedoms so that the other person is well-taken care of in the relationship. Both of these situations could be indicated by Uranus (friends, also rebellion, restructuring) conjunct (energy is combined with) Descendant (others).

A person who followed the "natal promise" idea, in looking at the chart described would probably say, "Aha! Uranus conjunct Descendant: this person will be unable to ever get into a permanent relationship with anyone." But a person can use their own free will to prove the "natal promise" person wrong.

Rapping about free will,

posted February 20, 2006 07:51 AM              

My marriage has been nothing but paper for over a year now, and I am having arguments with my current bf.

However my sister is going to see my ex and get some documents back that will enable me to start divorce proceedings...

I have a feeling I should channel the Uranus Transit of my DC into starting divorce proceedings, and maybe this will help me with the potenitally destructive uranus energies in my relationship.

posted February 20, 2006 11:12 AM              

If you want a divorce, transiting (planets in the sky) Uranus (friends, also rebellion) going into the 7th house (relationships) certainly should help that along!

Divorced from reality,

posted February 20, 2006 11:28 AM            

Tim, you said:

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I am a holistic astrologer who believes in free will and the limitations of free will. This means that I like to look at the chart as a whole in order to understand the energy of the person and where it flows both strongest and weakest. I believe in free will, in the sense that people can choose how to use their strong and weak energies in their life. However, I also believe that there are limitations of free will: people can TRY to do anything they want, but some things they will do better than others. For instance, if a person decided that they wanted to play piano with the skill and ability of Mozart, and they didn't have great piano talent energy in their chart, they could start playing at the age of five for hours a day and only get a little better at playing piano...because the energy to play piano at a virtuoso level wasn't there.

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posted February 20, 2006 01:25 PM              

That is whenever I have trouble with a guy who wants to settle down and I don't agree with his ideals, he has this placement. It's strange but usually I want to settle down but I keep getting these guys, and I just say HI and then they are instant friends and see themselves with me for the rest of their lives.

maybe they feel that way about everyone?

Another thing I have noticed about Aqua or Uranus on the DC is that the don't like to move around a lot and like to be home, or make themselves at home anywhere.

I have a strong feelings, they want to be house husbands, and more than one has told me he felt compelled towards me?

posted February 20, 2006 03:09 PM              

tUranus for me is conjunct my MC!

At least tUranus is trined both of our natal Uranuses.

Don't think we'll be gettin married anytime soon (or anytime at all maybe?) heh

I'm under the thumb of many tough transits right now <sigh>

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted February 20, 2006 03:19 PM              

You asked:

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And how would you be able to tell if someone had the "energy" for something in their chart? For instance, how would I tell if I had "acting talent energy"...

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Good point! I am NOT the guru of people's abilities and didn't intend to come out that way in my post! I have changed the section which contained "energy in their chart" to "energy in them" so it now reads:

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For instance, if a person decided that they wanted to play piano with the skill and ability of Mozart, and they didn't have great piano talent energy in them, they could start playing at the age of five for hours a day and only get a little better at playing piano...because the energy to play piano at a virtuoso level wasn't there.

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The emphasis I wanted to place was not on my chart interpretation technique at predicting who will and who will not become a piano virtuoso, instead it was to point out that we all have certain energies in us which fit poorly with doing some things and fit well at doing others.

It is not a matter of ME being able to figure out what the energy of the person is, it is a matter of the person coming to know their own energy for themselves. Since people express their energy all the time, if the talent to do something is there, it will come out, one way or another. "Acting talent" energy could be an urge to mimic everything and everyone. It could be an endless fascination with movies, dialogue, and character development. It could be growing up in an acting family. It could be a number of many different things...but it would already BE there in the person and in the person's life.

When we try to FORCE things into our life ("I heard that acting is fun, my friends are good at and enjoy acting, so I am going to make myself be good at and enjoy acting, too!") or when parents try to force things in our life ("I want my child to play piano at a virtuoso level, so I will start him out on piano at the age of 3.") we often find out they don't fit with us. In the first example, we may be uncomfortable on stage, or forget our lines all the time, or be bored by reading plays, or may have some other thing in our lives comes up that shows us we are on the wrong path. In the case of parents trying to piano teach us when we are uninterested in piano, perhaps we "forget" to practice our lessons, or our hands are clumsy on the keyboard, or we don't understand scales, or have no sense of pitch, or something else happens that shows us that we are on the wrong path.

One of the best movie lines I ever heard (speaking of "acting" ) was "A man's gots to know his limitations." That seemed like good advice to me. If we know our limitations we can use our limitations to help develop our strengths, and learn how to use those strengths to help us grow and develop in our life.

Growing and developing,

posted February 20, 2006 04:33 PM              

That's really interesting about looking into Bettie Page's Chart. Hope to hear more on that, I know a lot of us here LOVE her.