posted March 02, 2006 01:16 PM              

Anybody care to guess what this does for temperament and self-identity?

Tim, or any other more astrologically-enlightened beings than myself, I would really really appreciate any insights.

Or, does anyone else have Neptune in the 1st? What are your experiences with a sense of solid self?

Thanks guys.

posted March 02, 2006 01:34 PM              

Another astrologer talked about this placement enhancing acting skills, so that you can pretend to be something that you really aren't and do it fairly convincingly. I had a friend with a natal Neptune in the 1st and he always talked about how he "only shows people what they want to see" whether it's really him or not. Another unrelated effect would be Neptune infusing compassion and self-sacrifice into your personality, so you might become interested in some kind of activity that allows you to serve others.

And finally, you'll be extremely susceptible to drugs (even just liquids) of all sorts, so avoid them if someone offers them.

posted March 02, 2006 01:48 PM            

I have Neptune in the first in Sag as well. On the positive side I think having Neptune in the first makes others perceive me as dreamy, mysterious and a bit mystical. People tend to assume I’m an artsy spiritualist type. Even people that have known me for years and understand that I’m a math/science kind of gal still assume I’m some closet painter type in my spare time. It’s amusing. On the downside, in my youth I struggled with some confusion (Neptune) about who I really was. I felt like I was a different person for every group of people I spent time with and that made me question whether or not I had a fixed identity. I also felt that no one truly understood me or saw the “real” me (perhaps because I could not see it myself). After spending a good deal of time overanalyzing this confusion I came to a peace with my identity. At the time I decided that my true personality was the one I felt the most comfortable with. The one I only showed close friends and family. The rest of my personalities were just masks I wore to make others comfortable. Having come to that peace, I now have a very strong sense of self and no longer struggle with the same confusion that plagued me earlier. I also no longer worry about people failing to see the real me. When people appreciate me, I know they are appreciating me for who I am now, not the mask I wear. I think in general I feel a growing sense of peace about the person I’m becoming. I still struggle with a fear that people won’t like me, but even those fears are weakening like the last twitches of some dying beast they no longer hold sway over me.

All in all, I like my Neptune in the 1st. I like being seen as something otherworldly, and I like my ability to remold myself for every social situation. I think that level of adaptability is very useful when controlled properly. I think that placement may also give you some phycic abilities - I know I often have a very strong otherworldly sense.

My other placements are Cancer sun (8th), Taurus moon (6th), and Sag Ascendant.

posted March 02, 2006 03:33 PM              

You have Sagitarrius (expansion) modifying Neptune (spirituality, also confusion), and Scorpio (transformation, also power) modifying Moon (home, also emotions - Moon in sign of fall - very challenging energy) both focused in the 1rst house (being, also action). This indicates you tend to be expansive in your spirituality, although this may cause confusion. Emotions are powerful, although these powerful emotions may be hard to have.

Scorpio (transformation, also power, control) modifying Ascendant (self). This adds power to you and a need to be in control...or others will control you instead.

Pisces (spirituality, also confusion) modifying Sun (self-expression). This indicates you express yourself spiritually, although this may also cause confusion in your self-expression.

Spiritual confusion and transformational power are strongly indicated in various ways. Knowing when to use your power and understanding the difference between being "spiritual" and being "confused" is very important to staying in control of your self and your actions.

Spiritually powerful,

Tim

posted March 02, 2006 05:05 PM              

Isolaede - I think what Tim wrote beats anything I might add. I think you have it more together than me just reading your posts. I sense your sensitivity and your empathy. Lovely energy.

posted March 02, 2006 06:15 PM            

He knows a lot of semi-famous underground musicians, and his own music is good, and he's being encouraged to pursue it professionally.

His sense of self seems pretty intact,
but he does have Mars in Leo,
a Sag ascendant,
and Pluto conjunct Sun/Venus/Mercury (in Libra).
His Moon is in Pisces (3rd), which strengthens Neptune.

He is idolized by most of his friends,
who all pretty much agree that he's "the sh!t".
There's a little of that Neptune-in-the-1st ability to appear to be "all things to all people".

I would think, in connection with a 1st house Moon,
which gives one the ability to seem like "one of us",
it would make you very charismatic, Swerve,
especially considering the Scorpio influence.

Its almost always good to focus on the positive.

I have another friend with Neptune closely conjunct the ASc (from the 12th),
and that seems to produce a lot more of the negative, lack-of-boundary effects.
But, everyone who knows him agrees, he's an angel.

posted March 02, 2006 06:52 PM              

Even Cappy moon in the first comes across as emotional.. so with a Scorpio moon there (and Neptune) you'd definitely have an intense/emotional/deep vibe. Also, whenever you go to an emotional extreme.. it's probably all over your facial expression.. This might scare more detached folk lol But not to worry.. stf detached folk .. they should stick to other detached folk jk jk (well sorta)

Hi Jkxx,

quote:

---

I had a friend with a natal Neptune in the 1st and he always talked about how he "only shows people what they want to see" whether it's really him or not

---

posted March 02, 2006 07:37 PM              

it was great reading about your own experiences with neptune being close to the Asc. I have it in the 12th conjunct a stellium which is itself conjunct the Asc. It does come out in a negative way for sure (as the moon and mercury are also part of the stellium along with neptune), and I've been unpleasantly surprised by my own ability to paint a deceptive picture of myself to others. Or maybe they get helped along by Neptune?

posted March 02, 2006 10:15 PM              

Some interpretations -

NEPTUNE IN THE ASCENDANT, OR FIRST HOUSE. Neptune is by nature occult, prophetic and spiritual. The Ascendant signifies the body wherein we function and thus by combination of these ideas we find that Neptune on the Ascendant will give a particularly sensitive body capable of feeling the finer vibrations in nature, and according to the aspects which the planet receives, these will be either good, bad or indifferent. If Neptune is strong and well aspected to the Sun, Jupiter or Uranus, we may judge that there is an intensely mystical nature latent in the person. Whether or not it will be developed is, of course, another question depending upon opportunity and environment. On the other hand, if Neptune is afflicted, it indicates a very low mentality, perhaps even insanity. In any case the nature is visionary, romantic and generally unpractical, at least from the worldly standard (yeah I can relate to that).
The prophetic, inspirational and visionary faculties are usually highly developed when Neptune is unafflicted in the First House. There is a love of art and music, a desire for luxury and whatever gives power and tone to life. But when Neptune is afflicted in the First House the nature is indolent, procrastinating and changeable; perverted tastes and desires come to the front and impel to acts of indiscretion which may bring grave consequences. There is indication of prostitution of the spiritual faculties; a deceptive, dishonest disposition, also a tendency to mediumship and spirit obsession.

Neptune in the First House may indicate that your imaginative and spiritual potential manifests through innate psychic gifts and a sensitive, gentle and intuitive personality. Your visionary and idealistic trend of mind draws inspiration from dreams, contemplation, meditation and powerful emotions. At times you will experience weird feelings, thoughts and emotions - a mediumistic ability allows you to either consciously or unconsciously take on the conditions of your immediate surroundings and tune in to those with whom you come in contact. You are likely to be attracted to peculiar people, psychic centres and mysterious, strange places. You are artistic, very romantic and have a love for beauty in form, colour and sound. On occasion you can be weak, indolent, confused, impractical and dreamy.

You are a real charmer -- able to enchant others and bring them under your spell. You manage to communicate an almost mystical sense to a group. Your ideals and ability to see the whole picture are obvious to all who come to know you.

NEPTUNE IN SAGITTARIUS, when well aspected increases the inspirational, devotional and religious tendencies in the horoscope. It brings dreams, visions, and occult experiences. There is love of travel and a great enjoyment of the pleasures thus obtained. (I love to travel, however haven't much done that. Still as compared to some other folks, I once visited quiet a few places in a short trip to a new place.
). When Neptune is afflicted in Sagittarius the subjects become liable to fears and forebodings; dreams of danger and visions of distress prey upon the mind, making life miserable. Sometimes they have great desires to travel but are unable to gratify them, or if they do they have trouble or accidents to contend with.

posted March 02, 2006 10:30 PM              

I have this:
It's like being a Pisces Sun, same issues.

Not so hot for women's health until later, strong connections to friends and family are good, even more so than love feelings.

People trust and need you, it's hard to ask for help,
Swerve do you have attractive eyes?

posted March 03, 2006 07:07 AM              

"Anybody care to guess what this does for temperament and self-identity?"

When you are a double pisces with this neptunian placement, the world just seems rather false(?) at times. At others, it seems incredibly . . . *real*, for lack of a better term - like constantly breathing in smelling salts. People say i'm rather quiet in social introductions (scorpio asc.), but that's because I despise smalltalk and won't say anything (sober) unless it's worth saying. With neptune aspecting this attitude, we aren't saying anything because we know you don't want to hear it, or know it will make you feel bad for some reason we can't, or won't want to fathom.

Self Identity?

Neptune in the 1hs is a mirror; can sometimes be more 'another' than the other is projecting. I'm usually less me than the others, except when I am alone . . . or feel threatened by any measure, and that's where the eagle's shadow descends to grasp control of the situation. It can get quite frustrating though, when confusion reigns, stumbling from mood to mood with the only explanation for the way you're feeling, being the ambiguity that it *could* be me, or it could be you . . . but ultimately, it will allow me to discern and perceive what other people are feeling, constantly. Or at least I hope it will.

posted March 03, 2006 10:30 AM              

I commend you for braving it like that. Know that you are not alone in feeling like that. I promise.

Thanks for your input it is more valuable than you realise I think,.

posted March 03, 2006 05:45 PM            

I hear so much of myself in your post. Or at least the person I was. Let me share a few things that helped me come to peace with everything. First of all, as I mentioned above, I just decided to accept myself. I decided that it was ok to be a different person in every social situation. I began surrounding myself with friends that didn't "NEED" me but just enjoyed spending time with me. Doesn't sound like much but it was a huge and challenging step for me. I decided that I was special and had been given some very important gifts. Those gifts naturally came with a responsibility – to use them to help those around me. True empathy is a rare gift indeed and those of us that have it are obligated to use it for the greater good. I also decided to accept everyone else around me. I came to terms with the fact that not everyone had my gift (empathy) – they had their own gifts. And their seeming lack of interest in me wasn’t truly a lack of interest, they just weren’t empathic enough to be able to connect on the levels I was able to. This didn’t make them lesser people – it just meant they had other gifts and other areas they were supposed to enrich the world. You, dear Devilfish are very special and you have a unique and rare gift. There are bonuses of being the way you are – you’ll always be well liked in life (people love to have others show an interest in them and truly listen to them – you’ll make them feel comfortable and at ease almost without trying), you’re also destined to be a healer on some level. This doesn’t mean you’ll be waving your hands over people, it just means that as an empath you’ll be able to comfort people. Sometimes healing starts with simply listening to someone. Later on you may even start dishing out some advice as your empathy guides you into a deeper understanding of the human phyche.

posted March 03, 2006 08:24 PM              

I find rapport with people very easily. People tell me their secrets; their insecurities and their dreams and I love hearing about it. I realised, for the most part, allowing myself to get overwhelmed by others energies...be it good or bad...was just my drama. Now I give my all when I want to and not when I feel obliged. Its a completely different feeling.

These days I am flying high because I have come tot erms with myself. I always wondered why it was that I had all these redeeming qualities and still wasnt able to love myself as much as I love others. And the truth is I realise that we are all existentially alone. It is somewhat absurd to expect others to completely get you...as they will only get what they 'see'. They cannot be expected to get the teeny timy thoughts that make u the unique being u are.

Now I employ much creative energy in my everyday interractions and its something that brings me joy. Whenever I encounter someone who is feeling pretty funky, I encourage them to come out of themselves as opposed to trying to carry them. And its like great team work...the two of us together trying to figure out an intriguing puzzle.

I always thought of myself as someone who never allowed people to escape from themselves. And now I realise thats who I am. Its my personal manifesto cos Im like 'lets deal with this shhhh!!! now else its gonna come and bite u in the arse when your 40'.

Really I could go on. Its very much a topic that I enjoy talking about. But Im gonna stop now. My boyfriend has just come back with beers! Gonna have a private partee. Y'all invited

Mercury in Gemini 7th
Sun in Cancer 8th
Cappie moon in 2nd

posted March 04, 2006 11:24 AM              

There are very self obsessed egotistical ones out there, but they are not healthy or normal.

Real beauty comes from within and Neptune/1st has the key to this kind of world. There are illusions but the possibility for a permanent loving reality is there too.

Anyway wish me luck as I am going to date this one for a while and see what happens. He seems stable but emotionally deep.
Cap Sun/Pisces Moon/Sag Venus/Virgo Mars

He is not just a boyfriend, I see him as a way to visit another reality and learn more about myself. At the same time being Neptune/1st, I care.

Has anyone here seen March of the Penguins? Doesn't this seems like a very Piscean movie?

posted March 04, 2006 03:20 PM            

Thankyou so much for sharing that, absolutely amazing. It hit me hard because it is something I am personally writing about at the moment. And to hear you both express it so vividly, co slearly, was very warming to me.

posted March 06, 2006 10:09 AM              

Isolaede i relate to your post as well! i cant seem to put in words how spot on your experiences are!
your advice was wonderful and i found comfort in your words,thank you.

Villy you are right

Boo im feelin you too! " Whenever I encounter someone who is feeling pretty funky, I encourage them to come out of themselves as opposed to trying to carry them. " that is soo true!
p.s hope your party was full of laughter &love

BG im amazed at the intimate feel of this thread!Thank you for your kind words & encouragement.they were recieved, gratefully.