posted March 27, 2006 10:12 AM              

Saturn is about limitations,responsibilities,order etc.I think you should maybe look at the Sun aspects to Uranus or Jupiter for any "fun".Saturn is by one of the most difficult and confining planets to have in a natal chart.

It can be good though,if aspected with Pluto it means native is productive and will rise to position of power,if aspected with venus the native will be eligible bachelor or bachelorette for long-term prospects and marriage.

posted March 27, 2006 10:55 AM              

Saturn conjuncting your sun will manifest outwardly as authority figures limiting your freedom and self-expression for no apparent reason. You will be forced to work hard and there'll be no immediate reward. People will think they are wiser than you (especially males older than yourself) and know best what is good for you in the future. Physically you'll feel fatigued or drained as if something's drained all the creative energy out of you. If you try to resist or break free it'll get a lot worse. Later when the transit is over you'll remember it as a period of time that held you back from realizing your dreams.

**Don't get me wrong, it does help to look forward to this with a positive attitude. But the reality of it will be grim.

posted March 27, 2006 11:30 AM              

You were talking about Saturn conjunct Sun in a birth chart, while jkxx was talking about a transit (planets moving in the sky). Saturn is about structure and also... (as gert and jkxx mention) restriction. People who have Saturn conjunctingt their Sun by transit can just wait until the transit is over and then go on with their lives, ignoring the "Saturn lessons" if they choose. People with this in their birth chart HAVE to learn the lessons of Saturn.

So what are these "Saturn lessons"?

Since the Sun and 5th house are about our self-expression, the way we "show off" to the world; and Saturn is about duty, responsibility, authority, it is possible for us to "show off" by BECOMING the authority on things, in some way. This occurs by structuring our self-expression so we appear "responsible", "mature" (all Saturn terms) to others. If we DON'T become and appear responsibile and mature, then Saturn is perfectly fine with restricting and confinging our self-expression until we decide to "grow up". But the choice about whether or not to be "adult" about our Saturn situation is, as always, up to us!

Saturnally yours,

posted March 27, 2006 05:40 PM              

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My saturn is in 2nd house virgo and squares my sun (geminis house 11)...When I am far from these oppresive authorities (any kind)I feel much happier, I believe this is originated by this square. Any experience or opinions about this?

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This is:
Saturn (duty, also authority) focused in 2nd house (physical, also values) square (energy needs to be combined with) Sun (self-expression) focused in the 11th house (friends, also rebellion, restructuring).

This indicates a need to combine your duty to values with your freedom of self-expression. The challenge, with Saturn is to OWN your Saturn energy so YOU become the authority. YOU know your own values better than anybody else, so you know what you can...and can not accept in doing duty to your values. Once you understand your values, you can restructure your self-expression to better express those values to your friends and those around you. With Gemini (thinking, also talking), there is a need to communicate this "new" understanding of your values.

Opinioning,

posted March 27, 2006 05:45 PM              

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Saturn roles through Leo it is in my 7th house and will soon (Sept.) be conjuncting my natal Jupiter at 19' and then my Sun 1', Merc. 1', Venus 8' of Virgo also in the 7th....Any thoughts about this?

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It may help to take a "big picture" approach to this and simply look at transiting (planets in the sky) Saturn (duty, also structure) moving through the 7th house (relationships). This time is about structuring your approach to relationships. With a lot of planetary energy involved, you may feel intense challenges to your relationships at this time, possibly feeling restricted in some way. This is simply a time of understanding relationship limitations and of developing and growing by working through those limitations to better structure and develop the relationships in your life.

Thinking,

posted March 28, 2006 12:23 PM            

I am constantly awestruck at your forest view
(from one very Virgo to another)

posted March 28, 2006 01:31 PM              

Your intense nature generally finds plenty to overcome in this world, for your nervous vigor is not accompanied by a commensurate physical vitality. You tire easily and should not let your nervousness drive you faster than you can comfortably go. Responsibilities are delegated to you early in life, and they discourage you somewhat, causing you to withdraw into yourself. You dislike competition and want chiefly for the world to leave you alone. Your help is demanded, probably by a parent or by early domestic duties, and if you rebel against this and seek a career of your own, you find obstacles to oversome. You are independent without being aggressive, and in the search for independence you are likely to fall into an easy rut from which you have difficulty rising. You are a little self-centered for executive work and not cooperative enough for subordinate work. This is a lone-wolf position, and you may find yourself pretty lonely.

In a woman's horoscope, this indicates difficulty through men because of an early-formed psychological bias towards the father or an older relative. In a man's horoscope, something of the same condition exists - a sort of father or mother worship contributes to an inferiority complex. You need real, rather than pseudo, self confidence, for most of your independence is bravado and is not backed by self-reliance. You should develop this by increasing your contact with the world around you, by avoiding the secretive life you seek defensively, and by developing a willingness to compete in the world. Ignore your own emotions and sensitiveness, which in the end will harden you if you dont watch them.

Your intellectual powers and powers of concentration are good. With the help of certain aspects ( i.e Moon sextile or trine Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus/Neptune ; Sun sextile or trine Mars/Jupiter/Uranus/Neptune) in your nativity, you may develop them to good business activity and achieve considerable power, prestige, and authority, for you are a magnetic person and have only to let your magnetism work outward instead of inward to get pretty much what you want out of the world.

(Source: Heaven Knows What - Grant Lewi)

posted June 07, 2006 12:04 PM              

She is developmentally delayed and goes to a special school to help her catch up with her peers. Behind in fine and gross motor skills and in speech. She functions at 18 months younger than she is.

She has 4 cancer planets in the 11th house and uranus opposite the ascendant.....

posted June 09, 2006 09:44 AM              

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posted June 09, 2006 09:56 AM            

I also have Saturn transitting my first house!

OH JOY!!!!!!!!!

Here's what Astrodienst says of this transit.

"Valid during many months: This is one of the most significant times of your life. During this time your responsibilities will increase considerably, and you will try to eliminate everything in your life that is not necessary to fulfilling them. Therefore your life will become more complex and simpler at the same time. You are finishing up certain tasks in your life and going into a five- to eight- year period of relatively quiet preparation for a new beginning. You will be cutting some elements out of your life and working hard to complete others.

During this time you may have less freedom of movement than usual because of the pressure of circumstances and the need to get things done. Old tasks that have never been completed must be finished now. At work, you may have to exert more effort in order to get the job done. Your superiors may give you even more responsibility than you would choose to have. This may not be a very light-hearted time, but it should be quite productive. But do not start out on a completely new project, because in a few years you may find that you do not have the material or psychological resources to complete it. Finish what is unfinished and simplify your life.

Good relationships will not suffer appreciably during this time, but bad ones will break up completely. You are withdrawing from everything in your life that is unnecessary or in the way of your development during the next few years. Bad or difficult relationships may be among the elements that are discarded.

Try to avoid building a wall between yourself and others, for this is a great danger now. Duty, responsibility and obligations do not preclude personally satisfying relationships, even though you may feel that they do. If you cut yourself off from others unnecessarily, you will become lonely and depressed. The people who belong in your everyday life are very important for you now, especially since you are excluding those who do not belong. Often it is good to seek out the company and advice of older people, for they have the insight and understanding you need.

Saturn Conjunction Ascendant
activity period from beginning of September 2005 until 16 June 2006.

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posted June 09, 2006 08:39 PM            

I grew up on Heaven Knows What – what a classic!!

Vilib ~

Yeah I have Chronos the Old Devil (29 Libra) conjunct my Sun (26 Libra) conjunct Neptune (23 Libra) in III. Grant Lewi wrote ”This is a lone-wolf position” – do you feel that way too?? I did the outward rebellion-thing, but I think that has more to do with my nNeptune sq nUranus than rebelling against the strictures of Saturn/Sun. But the inward rebellion-thing – yeah, still got that in spades. The last thing I *want* to be is responsible, so that’s the top of the list for Saturn Corrective Action But I *am* responsible – I’ve passed some doozies of Saturn Tests, and all in all I’ve had a pretty fun ride…..

posted June 10, 2006 03:00 AM              

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posted June 10, 2006 11:41 AM            

Yeah.. in terms of the conjunction not counting... I do think it is channelled differently, as I most certainly have a Libra driven Mercury. But it is listed in astrodienst's aspects.

Mercury Libra 28'18'
N Node Scorpio 3'37
Sun Scorpio 4'53
Uranus Scorpio 7'19
Mars Scorpio 13'15
Each counts as a conjunction if you look at the degree right before it, so though the first , mercury, doesn't technically count as a conjunction with Uranus or Mars, they are 'sparked' nonetheless by the modifying influences.

My Saturn is in my first house, but not (by orb) conjunct the ascendant. My asc Leo 7'35, Saturn 16'

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