posted March 27, 2006 01:48 PM              

I find myself constantly frustrated with the people around me for being insincere, liars, selfish, generally devious or duplicitous. I constantly let people know what I think if they over-step the line. I would guess 1st House Scorpio Moon here.

As a Pisces I pick up on the energy people put out and while you may fool me with words, you will never fool my instincts. I believe you only see people's real character when they are backed up against a wall. Its easy to be nice when there is nothing on the table. Insincerity seems to be most people's way of getting along.

Now, the counter-argument is that we all need to be civilised and polite to make society work, but I say this is rubbish. The more traditional cultures were very honest, no unnessecary social niceties that are the breeding ground for deception, lies and betrayal. In the ghetto this pans out as people don't have much to lose and are definitely more "real" with each other. Consequently, everyone knows where they stand, maybe there are evil things that cannot be changed but they are obvious and out in the open rather than hidden in boardrooms or disguised by a wealthy lifestyle and sycophantic bunch of clones who only serve to validate each other.

I feel the insincerity of humanity as a whole, we kid ourselves. While we have the potential do ANYTHING as a species we simply carry on with greed and selfishness and while our technology grows daily our souls are in decline, we reach to Heaven with a half-hearted attempt.

I feel claustrophobic in an office, I am not built for office politics, and people are too fragile in their facade to accept honesty. So many social games to keep the status quo. I am angry a lot that having grown from a child who believed in the inherent goodness of people, seeing over the years that most people are almost worthless. The things they put forward as their light is quickly banished when material gain presents itself, or opportunity arises to satiate a basic need like lust and all trust or respect is cast aside without so much as a second thought and a simple shrug of the shoulders indicates no remorse.

How can they ever consider their actions or "feelings" to have been real at any point? It is all just a transparent game of weak character against weak character.

I am very disillusioned with humanity at the moment and feel trapped by trying to fit in. I have been called aggressive, inappropriate, angry, whatever. Only if I am trying to fit in with this crap I am, and I couldn't be moving further away.

Being a good person or honest requires an inordinate amount of strength of character because you will be betrayed, deceived and cheated. No, I'm not talking about myself here alone. It is a well-known fact that being too compassionate, too real can get you killed. JFK, Lennon, Jesus (even if just as an idea we actually SHOWED how we are by portraying ourselves this way, so we KNOW what is right and that we choose wrong, but does it change???), Martin Luther King, need I go on???

These guys were NOT perfect, but they seemed to be honest. I am feeling increasingly furstrated that you cannot be sincere, kind and compassionate in this world and be safe, It just doesn't work like that. You must become cunning, focus on number one, lose your "naivety" (which can only mean what it does in a society that is dishonest as the norm - think about it).

I don't know if this is a Pisces thing or a Scorpio thing or a me thing. I am considering beginning a career in writing, but really all I want is to scream in anger and frustration and receive some enlightenment for this madness, when we instinctively KNOW how most of the things humans do are just plain WRONG. Ask the planet itself, look at the mess we have created. Look at the mess we have made of ourselves, are we really moving forward? How long has the rot been setting in? Was it ever any different? (the Romans, British Empire, Nazis, KGB, CIA, you name it).

This is big, and I intend to throw myself into it. Not sure what I expect to achieve, that part I haven't figured out. All I know is that silently participating without question is what makes a Roman Soldier or a Nazi. Inidividuals cannot change much, but a group of individuals becomes a movement. But the fragile nature of spiritual matters will always lose out to the more accessible and much more easily manipulated drives for greed, self-praise and power.

In terms of personal realness I just find myself constantly angry with religions that never existed to serve man, only to control him. Some good comes of ritual and tradition and binds for society, but do we actually need religion to create these for us? Are we really that weak? I knew what right and wrong was without reading it in a book. So do most people.

I don't where to go with this rant. Maybe someone can put some clarity into it for me.

Beam me up Scotty, for **** 's sake!

posted March 27, 2006 02:10 PM            

My Pisces Moon feels your angst….. it is a good thing to be able to rant/vent here safely where you can also get positive/constructive feedback.

I daresay that many of us feel disillusionment and despair about the direction our “civilized” societies are heading.

I’d like to write more later in response and share some thoughts/ideas/options/strategies -- have to get back to work now…..

‘Zala

posted March 27, 2006 03:10 PM              

I am totally with you on this one.

As I was growing up, being a very observant Scorp, I used to see all the bs that was flying around, people that were in denial, sniff em out a mile I could.

My parents were "in awe" of me (my sister's words) cos I was like a detective or psychic spy or something....hahahaha......they must have been terrified. They used to say "nothing gets passed Sue".

One thing I do now is be totally honest with others....tell em about how I have suffered from depression, and not make out I am all happy clappy. It would almost kill me to pretend to be someone else!!

Ive always tried to be real and deal with the bigger stuff in life and then when I meet people who are concerned with money and prestige and the ones whose egos are inflated, it drives me crazeeeeeeeeeee!!!

But when we choose to come from the heart, this will always be something difficult to deal with.

I have to be careful in Catholic Ireland.....the truth now emerging about the church and child abuse etc, I do get to say what I feel, but in more of a subtle way that when I was younger.

And

For my karma,,,,,I have a Scorpio son who will turn around to me and say "didnt you KNOW that mum"?

he he he !!!

posted March 27, 2006 04:15 PM            

because this is an astrology forum I'll answer it astrologically.

Look at the aspects to your Ascendant. The easier the aspect from your Sun (your true self) or you Moon (your emotional self) the more honest and straight-forward you will be in communicating with others. What you say and what you feel (or who you are) will be the same.

A person with hard aspects to the Ascendant has trouble being comfortable with themselves (for whatever reason, a personal issue) so they put up walls and send mixed signals. This is because they are at odds with the person on the inside as opposed to the person that is showing on the outside.

out

posted March 27, 2006 04:24 PM              

Lala - that makes sense. Scorpio Moon and Ascendant, Pisces Sun.

On the flip side I have Aquarius Venus and Mercury. What a contradiction!

I tried to keep the rant astrological as I feel it is all relative. I really need to figure out this Scorpio/Pisces axis that seems so overwhelmingly predominant in my chart.

Not the energy itself, more the message, it just keeps coming back. Its all so vivid to me on a global scale I can't ignore it. Especially when you feel it as well as know it.

I'm sure I'm not alone.

posted March 27, 2006 04:47 PM              

just for the record, I really liked your post. I have strong scorp+pisces influences myself and even started my own site to write about politics [read: corruption], environmental pollution and all kinds of similar stuff.

My friends and I have reached the same point in our lives (and well, we're in the 18-24 age group but heck) where we just wonder if there's anything real out there or is it just world consumerism, global corp, IMF, world trade and the rest. Yeah, technology is becoming more advanced but at the same time people are becoming more and more disconnected and "less human". And modern-day science is turning all of us into guinea pigs pretty quick. I despise people who care only about money and social standing, especially at the expense of others's suffering. Or people who spread lies to promote their own agenda/popularity. Oh but there's plenty of that in the world.

Anyway, just wanted to say that that's something that very much p****s me off too. Don't personally have pluto aspecting the ascendant but it is conjunct my MC and my chart ruler (saturn)'s also in scorpio.

posted March 27, 2006 08:42 PM            

I've notice a lot of the same going on, and what bothers me is people will say one thing to your face and another the second you turn away...that, and the people who are all about what I have/what do you have mentality?

All of this materialism and technology and faster-paced living is at the expense of what's crying out inside for nurturing: our souls.

People take advantage of friends and family just to get ahead or if they feel someone has slighted them, attack them without stopping to actually think first.

I feel that being real is being honest about where you stand in a situation, willing to say how you feel despite what may come at you for it. Having courage, integrity.

posted March 28, 2006 12:28 AM            

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So, what does this mean to you guys? What aspects do you think attribute to "being real"?

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I find myself constantly frustrated with the people around me for being insincere, liars, selfish, generally devious or duplicitous. I constantly let people know what I think if they over-step the line.

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As a Pisces I pick up on the energy people put out and while you may fool me with words, you will never fool my instincts. I believe you only see people's real character when they are backed up against a wall. Its easy to be nice when there is nothing on the table. Insincerity seems to be most people's way of getting along.

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Now, the counter-argument is that we all need to be civilised and polite to make society work….maybe there are evil things that cannot be changed but they are obvious and out in the open [“in the ghetto”] rather than hidden in boardrooms or disguised by a wealthy lifestyle and sycophantic bunch of clones who only serve to validate each other.

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I feel the insincerity of humanity as a whole, we kid ourselves. While we have the potential do ANYTHING as a species we simply carry on with greed and selfishness and while our technology grows daily our souls are in decline, we reach to Heaven with a half-hearted attempt.

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I am angry a lot that having grown from a child who believed in the inherent goodness of people, seeing over the years that most people are almost worthless. The things they put forward as their light is quickly banished when material gain presents itself, or opportunity arises to satiate a basic need like lust and all trust or respect is cast aside without so much as a second thought and a simple shrug of the shoulders indicates no remorse.

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How can they ever consider their actions or "feelings" to have been real at any point? It is all just a transparent game of weak character against weak character.

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I am very disillusioned with humanity at the moment and feel trapped by trying to fit in. I have been called aggressive, inappropriate, angry, whatever. Only if I am trying to fit in with this crap I am, and I couldn't be moving further away.

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Being a good person or honest requires an inordinate amount of strength of character because you will be betrayed, deceived and cheated. No, I'm not talking about myself here alone. It is a well-known fact that being too compassionate, too real can get you killed.

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I am feeling increasingly furstrated that you cannot be sincere, kind and compassionate in this world and be safe, It just doesn't work like that. You must become cunning, focus on number one, lose your "naivety" (which can only mean what it does in a society that is dishonest as the norm - think about it).

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I don't know if this is a Pisces thing or a Scorpio thing or a me thing. I am considering beginning a career in writing…..This is big, and I intend to throw myself into it. Not sure what I expect to achieve, that part I haven't figured out. All I know is that silently participating without question is what makes a Roman Soldier or a Nazi. Inidividuals cannot change much, but a group of individuals becomes a movement. But the fragile nature of spiritual matters will always lose out to the more accessible and much more easily manipulated drives for greed, self-praise and power.

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In terms of personal realness I just find myself constantly angry with religions that never existed to serve man, only to control him. Some good comes of ritual and tradition and binds for society, but do we actually need religion to create these for us? Are we really that weak? I knew what right and wrong was without reading it in a book. So do most people.

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Beam me up Scotty, for **** 's sake!

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‘Zala

posted March 28, 2006 02:33 AM              

However as an adult (apart from the odd time when my moon pulls me) I am a joyful optimistic person. I love to laugh, be playful, have fun, write, be creative, play with my kids, go on holiday. (Very full fifth house.)

It's like I was an adult as a child....and now I'm a child!!!

Sue my son to has scorpio moon and we have great empathy. My Leo moon daughter simply brings me joy.

As for the 'being real' aspect of the thread....I see the reality in the world but it doesn't get to me. I feel optimism still. There are wonderful people out there. And I say this after great tragedy and an abusive childhood.

But I do hate BS!!!! I hate liars!!!!

posted March 28, 2006 04:28 AM              

I hear ya, man.

I think about this, like...ALL THE TIME. You are not alone. God, I thought *I* was alone. In thinking about all this. Reading your post, as well as all the responses, makes me feel better. Just to know that there are others out there who are so sick of insincerity, BS, poor character, etc.

Sometimes, it practically makes me want to pull my hair out. Why can't people just be good to each other!?!?!

On an astro note, I have Venus conj. Pluto in Scorpio

&

Mars conj. Jupiter in Pisces.

Plus, a Capricorn Sun to add a nice, healthy dose of Optimism.

But you know what? I still feel people are good at heart...Maybe not everyone...because a small amount of people do horrible, unspeakable things...but...I think most people are just trying to be happy in whatever (posssibly) messed up way they think is best. And as for the people who do god-awful, horrible things...maybe they are mentally ill/suffering intensely? I would hope it is that and not actual "evil." I've thought about this so much, ever since I was a child. Who knows...

In any event, you're not alone. And thanks for your post. Was good to read.

posted March 29, 2006 01:34 AM              

On the flip side I have Aquarius Venus and Mercury. What a contradiction!>>

Swerve, I SWEAR as I reading your post, I see so much of you in my dear BF ... he's Pisces Sun/Scorpio moon with Aquarius Ascendent and Mercury (his venus is Aries, which is his ONLY fire sign ... and only one earth element, Jup in Cap)

Don't worry, hon ... you'll be fine. That is, if you're anything like him ... you'll be fine (he's 45). Destined to always be a passionate person with a lot of feelings (water) and strength of convinctions/lack of convention (Aquarius influence).

posted April 11, 2006 12:18 AM              

First of all, I think a Scorpio Moon in the 1st would be a great seeker of truth. But try working backwards, or just slow down a little bit. YOU can be the instrument of, at least, the beginning of a cooperative understanding. At the very least, be 100% aware of it if it exists around you at any point...

yeah ...

That Scorpio Moon in the 1st may not only be a seeker of truth, but also at risk of having a momentary laspe, and self-disillusionment.

There's bunches of us who feel what you are saying, and it's probably a universal human thing. Some of those who read your rant were not able to hang on to the end, and have a witty response for you. Some of us struggle with this so much, that the biggest challenge of the day is wanting to get out of bed at all. Each of us are experiencing the same, and although you may be seeing the truth of the situation and going "duh!" ... be ready for another wave of inhumanity to challenge your faith.

PS: You really want to bunch up Jesus with those other dudes who died?

posted April 11, 2006 12:22 AM              

You brought up that thing about having an Ascendant which gives off mixed messages. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. The Ascendant is like a copy of you at a distance. You ARE this person to others, so the reality of it is still real to them. Then, you have to learn how to cooperate with that other person, who is in you.

posted April 11, 2006 11:18 AM              

really, i don't think the majority of the human populace understands that they are all just lambs walking slowly into the slaughter house

it's so hard to not conform, not only because it sets ou apart, but i've found it makes life incredibly lonely
when all your friends are all into the whole "work your job, buy useless **** you don't really need, but pay for it later so that you're stuck in a financial prison and we own you" kinda thing

but what can you really do when faced against huge odds?