posted April 04, 2006 12:11 AM              

Her husband tricked her into absorbing all his debt by claiming he'd gone broke. She took out a $100,000.00 loan in her own name to pay off his credit cards.

Come to find out, he was hiding an inheritance of nearly a million dollars. Now they're splitting up, he's getting away with the cash, and she's leaving with all his bills.

He can afford the best lawyers in town, and she can't afford groceries. She's scr*wed.

As it turns out, he did this to two other wives he married before her.

Girls- please do a internet background check before you marry. She only did one after his strange behavior set off alarm bells.

posted April 04, 2006 12:41 AM              

Still, she waited over a year to be sure. She didn't want to make a mistake.

Mind you, he wasn't a jobless bum when they met.

He's a wealthy man with a high paying job. He comes across as prince charming, telling her if she marries him she will never have to work again.

He takes out credit cards in her name, which he excuses by saying "What's the differance if they're in your name? I'm the one paying the bills. You don't even work."

It sounds reasonable. The trick is, he doesn't pay the bills. He just keeps racking it up. And when he divorces her she gets stuck with his debt. This way, he never spends any of his own money.

He goes on to the next wife and repeats the process.
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posted April 04, 2006 01:01 AM              

Planetary positions
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Sun Virgo 16°12'17 06 direct
Moon Sagittarius 19°11'15 08/9 direct
Moon is near the end of house 8 and is interpreted in house 9.
Mercury Virgo 20°18'50 06 direct
Venus Leo 00°20'27 04 direct
Mars Virgo 12°59'07 06 direct
Jupiter Taurus 15°38'45 01 stationary (R)
Saturn Taurus 14°38'18 01 retrograde
Uranus Taurus 26°07'15 02 retrograde
Neptune Virgo 24°54'16 06 direct
Pluto Leo 03°40'00 04 direct
True Node Libra 11°18'08 06 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 19°54'58
2nd House Taurus 23°29'24
3rd House Gemini 19°29'28
Imum Coeli Cancer 13°05'33
5th House Leo 08°27'37
6th House Virgo 09°52'47
Descendant Libra 19°54'58
8th House Scorpio 23°29'24
9th House Sagittarius 19°29'28
Medium Coeli Capricorn 13°05'33
11th House Aquarius 08°27'37
12th House Pisces 09°52'47

Major aspects
Sun Square Moon 2°59
Sun Conjunction Mercury 4°07
Sun Conjunction Mars 3°13
Sun Trine Jupiter 0°34
Sun Trine Saturn 1°34
Moon Square Mercury 1°08
Moon Square Mars 6°12
Moon Square Neptune 5°43
Moon Trine Ascendant 0°44
Mercury Trine Jupiter 4°40
Mercury Trine Saturn 5°41
Mercury Trine Uranus 5°48
Mercury Conjunction Neptune 4°35
Mercury Quincunx Ascendant 0°24
Venus Sextile Uranus 4°13
Venus Sextile Neptune 5°26
Venus Conjunction Pluto 3°20
Mars Trine Jupiter 2°40
Mars Trine Saturn 1°39
Jupiter Conjunction Saturn 1°00
Uranus Trine Neptune 1°13
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posted April 04, 2006 11:47 AM            

For Chiron in the 7th house, If the lady also has Chiron natally squared or opposite Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, she is likely to experience loss through the marriage partner or through steady romantic relationships.

Also, if in a synastry chart, her Chiron in the 7th makes a stressful aspect with her partner's Saturn, Pluto, Neptune or Uranus, the same conditions listed above still apply.

posted April 04, 2006 11:58 AM            

First of all, he is Aries rising. It's all about me, me, me.

He has Pluto conjunct Venus. People with this aspect are very magnetic and know how to use sex and romance as a way to achieve their goals. They can be ruthless as Pluto gives ruthlessness and determination.

He has his moon square his sun. He is willing to bypass his emotions to get what he wants. In a man, the moon represents the female and the sun represents the male. He is in conflict with women.

posted April 05, 2006 02:29 AM              

Belage- Very interesting. I can see how Pluto conjunct Venus would benefit him greatly when it comes to pulling the wool over women's eyes.

And she has said "It's all about him and nothing for me!"

This has certainly been a lesson! I'm terrified to get married now!

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posted April 05, 2006 03:48 AM              

I came out of my second marriage with nothing and had to start all over again....living in a bedsit after having a normal sized house....

He screwed me out of what I had worked for, but at the end of the day I was glad of my freedom.

Not sure about the chart placements. My hubbie is a Virgo with some of those placements and he is the MOST honest of men you would ever wish to know. My ex was an Aqua, but I dont put it down to his sign.

I hope yer friend finds happiness eventually and I hope she wins the lottery to clear all thos debts.

Praying for her.....

xxx

posted April 05, 2006 11:30 PM            

If your natal chart has stressful aspects to your 7th house Chiron, you must go into marriage with your eyes open, without unnecessary sentimentality.

posted April 06, 2006 12:50 AM              

I can't think of one woman who was ever made happy by marriage. Single women live longer, and have less depression.

If I ever get cornered, like if I become pregnant, I will demand a prenup with a fair settlement if we get divorced. If he isn't willing to sign, he can hit the road.

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posted April 06, 2006 07:44 PM            

If you are located here in the US you can tell your friend to seek prosecution against this person. Being a con-artist is against the law. Taking out a credit card in someone else's name is a felony - even if they are married.

If you want to be a good friend, sit down with the victim and have her start writing out what happened and take it to the cops / prosecutor. They can also look into past issues with his ex-wives.

She needs to find a shark of an attorney that is willing to take on the case for a share of the money that your friend will win when she settles.

Just because they get a divorce he CANNOT legally leave her with 100% of the debt - REGARDLESS of how much money he has and his lawyers.

Something doesn't seem right about this whole thing. And I am not just talking about your friend getting screw*ed over.

By the way, your theory of women NEVER being made happier in marriage is absolutely wrong and counters proven scientific evidence.

YOU may be bitter about marriage and if so, then it is a GREAT thing for you to not get married. I would take it one step further and advise you to stay current on your birth control with that attitude because the worst thing you could do is bring a child into this world and drown them with your bitterness.

Being Single is great. I have lived that way on and off for the majority of my life (meaning, I don't need a relationship to be feel fulfilled in life). But guess what, bad relationships happen and you live and you learn. If you can't deal with it, then by all means live a different lifestyle.

posted April 06, 2006 09:42 PM              

(What was up with that temper tantrum?)

You're throwing around a lot of questions in an accusatory tone. None of which I'm going to answer.

posted April 07, 2006 04:47 PM            

Secondly, you have absolutely no astrological proof concerning Chiron in the 7th being responsible for what occurred with your friend or if it predisposes someone to such an event. My bf and I both have Chiron in the 7th and I have yet to have someone trick me out of losing $100,000 or even anything close to that amount.

Thirdly, I offered you and your friend solutions - if you can't handle frank discussions then that is your problem. But, if you come on this board (and I've been here long enough to see people come and go and start their lengthy soap-box speeches without being able to back it up) then that's your problem.

But YOU came here looking for answers and yet you only provided a slight amount of information concerning your friends delimma.

I will not ask you nicely as I did not ask you rudely in my last post. YOU are the one with committment issues, men issues and obviously you don't really want to help your friend out because all your doing is b1tching about her situation without offering solutions.

Let's hope you learn better posting etiquette in the future. If you think I offended you, think of all the married people (specifically women) that you reduced to being nothing more than peons and how you speak of men as a whole.

posted April 08, 2006 06:21 AM            

I think relationships are part of the journey - I don't believe having Chiron in the 7th will cause you to suffer great romantic tragedies... of course... at the time EVERY romantic mishap feels Shakespearean in scope, lol... it's all relative.

Personally, I don't like where this discussion is headed -- to me it looks like the conclusion is that if you have Chiron in the 7th Bad Things Will Happen To You.

I think of the birth chart as a sort of roadmap to life. You can see the pitfalls to avoid and watch out for, but nothing is absolutely predetermined.

I'm someone that thinks it's better to have loved and lost than never loved at all, so even though I've had my heart broken, I'm the better, richer person for it.

People with Chiron in houses other than the 7th have been betrayed, scammed and had their hearts stomped on with no mercy as well.

posted April 08, 2006 10:51 AM              

My Chiron is in my 2nd apparently makes me a miser…which suits my Virgo Moon nicely actually I’m no good with keeping money.

posted April 08, 2006 10:30 PM              

Nobody ever said "if you have chiron in the 7th bad things will happen." Pid just jumped to that conclusion because she's over dramatic and desperate to get my attention.

IQHUNK- I think you may be responsible for this little cat fight. Ever since we had that romantic encounter in the Scorpio Moon thread, Pid has been out to get me. I insist you take her away and ravish her exactly as you did me. That way she doesn't feel left out.

Meanwhile-

My friend and I called all over town for help, and finally found someone willing to see her for free. Lawyers want money, and don't care when she explains she doesn't have access to his hidden accounts.

posted April 09, 2006 07:33 PM            

Sounds like you are saying this happened BECAUSE of Chiron in her 7th.

Comes across as very fatalistic for people with Chiron in their 7th.

posted April 10, 2006 01:10 AM            

You poor poor thing you. I call them as I see them and when I see a pile of BS I call it.

YOU started this thread and the title "Chiron a Cautionary Tale" All about your beloved friend with Chiron in the 3rd.

YOU say I am accusing you when I am not, what I was doing was putting things on the line. I am very FAMILIAR with the law and come from a law enforcement family and I HAVE been through a divorce (even with my own Chiron in the 7th conjuncting my moon I still have not experienced what your friend did... not in ALL my 36 years).

I offered you and your friend solutions but you decided to side-step the conversation completely and instead focused on something non sequitor.

I think that you are full of it.. and my BS detector is going off FULL ON.... Just because YOU cannot offer solutions or even a valid argument don't shoot the messenger. LOL...

And by the way Theo... I have NO IDEA what in the hell you are talking about concerning the "Scorp moon" thread. I don't have a scorp moon - and you have only been a member for a short time, so please refresh my memory.

As for IQ taking me away and ravishing me... oh please - only someone with a small mind like yours would be so clueless as to think a man would be able to somehow be able to shield you from my words.

posted April 10, 2006 03:31 AM              

I have to disagree. "Listen to what happened to a friend of mine. She has Chiron in her 7th." Does not sound fatalistic at all. I would have to either:
1) Not tell what happened. or
2) Not tell her placment.
Obviously, I have to do both.

Here is one of your posts:
"I've been through a few tough years and just looking at my transits, Saturn has been in opposition to almost all my personal planets and some outer planets for at least the last 5 years."

Hmm. Sounds to me like you are being fatalistic. It sounds like you're saying you are having tough times BECAUSE you have Saturn in opposition to personal planets.

This could be upsetting for people who have Saturn in opposition.

Just because you have Saturn in opposition to personal planets does not mean for certain that you will have tough times.