posted April 18, 2006 12:32 PM            

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A planet square, opposed, conjoined or quindecile with the Sun/Moon midpoint (note: the " / " means midpoint) will dominate the life.
http://www.lunarliving.org/featured/sun-moon_midpoint.shtml

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To calculate your midpoint: http://www.cafeastrology.com/sunmoonmidpointrelationship.html

What are the aspects to your Sun/Moon midpoint? Do you find significant aspects between your Sun/Moon midpoint and your partner's chart?

posted April 18, 2006 01:50 PM            

Nope, I don't have anything at 11 Cap/Cancer..... wanna take this a step further? That MP itself *transits* -- I'll bump an old thread about that if you're interested -- I have a fascinating book on it that I do not entirely comprehend.....

Zala

posted April 18, 2006 03:22 PM              

My Sun/Moon mid point is 12*Sagi. A couple hard aspects I noticed right away are my natal Neptune11*Sagi is conjunct my mid-point & my MC11*Pisces is squared.

My Sun/Moon midpoint is also conjunct my boyfriend's Neptune15*Sagi. His Sagi Sun is 10* away from my Sun/Moon MP so I spose that can be considered conjunct. Also, his Mercury is 10* away from my MP going the other way...another very loose conjunction?!

Weird

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
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posted April 18, 2006 04:17 PM              

you said: My Sun/Moon is at Scorp 17.

to answer your question, what you want to do is look for a planet or point (AC or MC) in your natal or in synastry with someone else that contacts the sun/moon midpoint. it must either be square, opposed, conjunct, sesquiquadrate (135°), semisquare (45°), and noel accepts the quindecile (165°) as well.

midpoints are very very helpful in determining character traits that are not readily apparent in the natal. for instance, i have sun at 28 pisces and pluto at 28 virgo, so the midpoint of these 2 is 28 sag. i have my natal moon at 27 sag so my moon is conjunct my sun/pluto midpoint. the equation is written as such:

moon=sun/pluto

"The Moon as a midpoint of the Sun and Pluto indicates an extreme supression of feelings which must be brought under control."

i'll give one more example: i have mercury at 11 aries and uranus at 12 libra. their midpoint is at 11 cap. my ascendant is at 12 libra, so my ascendant squares the mercury/uranus midpoint in my natal. this is written as:

AC=mercury/uranus

"The Ascendant as a midpoint of Mercury and Uranus indicates prudence, a good mental process, organizing ability and the use of practical principles."

in order to gain an understanding of the midpoint pictures as they're called is to understand the nature of the 2 planets involved in the midpoint.

sun and moon -- male and female, relationships, fulfillment

sun and pluto -- power needs, the need to control

mercury and uranus -- impulsive action, inspiration

the orb for aspects to midpoints is 1 to 2°.

midpoints matter a great deal in synastry too: someone's venus sits on your sun/moon midpoint for example and BAM, you will be ATTRACTED. that kind of thing.

alan edwall has a great free midpoint program. here is the main link to all of his FREE software:

http://www.astrowin.org/astro_sw.htm

and here is the midpoint program:

http://www.astrowin.org/midpoint.htm

it will calculate all your natal midpoint pictures and give you a description. it's for PC only, since i'm a mac girl i had to get one of my PC user friends to download it and run it for me.

i hope this helps ya out.

posted April 18, 2006 05:28 PM            

Your Sun/Moon would be conjunct your boyfriend's Sun/Mercury midpoint being 10 degrees to either.

Crissy,

Why would your Ascendant square your midpoint be written as '=' (AC=mercury/uranus)? That equation looks like the Ascendant is conjunct the midpoint. Does that make sense? I'll definitely look at those sites you posted!

posted April 18, 2006 05:32 PM            

At 11 Cap you're conjunct my Sun! Lucky you!

What do you mean by the midpoint transits? The midpoint should just sit there while planets transit it, right?

posted April 18, 2006 05:37 PM              

it's written that way because the equals sign means "in hard aspect to" -- it doesn't matter whether it's the conjunction, square, opp...

posted April 18, 2006 05:46 PM            

Crissy is right. But just to explain further using AcousticGod's details...
If Sun/Moon midpoint is 17Scorpio... all points relating to this degree apply eg.17 degrees of all fixed signs and 2 degrees of all cardinal signs...
17Scorpio
17Taurus
17Leo
17Aquarius
02Capricorn
02Cancer
02Aries
02Libra
...so any planet on these points natally or by Solar Arc is said to equal Sun/Moon midpoint and therefore is written... Planet=Sun/Moon. Orbs are not to be too wide... usually 1.5-2 degrees only is used but obviously if it's close to this I would count it.

posted April 18, 2006 05:51 PM            

How did you get that midpoint program to work? I downloaded it and run the setup file, extracted all the files first... but every time I click on midpoint.exe after that it gives me an error message?

It sounds like a really fantastic program

posted April 18, 2006 06:21 PM            

I have an ex who I have the most fascinating astrology with, we're still friends and may be more in the future, but my current situation allows for nothing between us. I don't know that I do want more, but there is a deep mutual affection, that much I am very aware of.

Anyhow... here is the interesting part. My Neptune/Venus (19 of Sag) are conjunct his Sun/Moon midpoint (16 of Sag) at a 3 degree orb... he doesn't have any planets exactly conjunct... *** please disregard the following, lol*** (my midpoint at 12.5 of Cap... but his Saturn is exactly opposed at 12 of Cancer and he has several planets semi-sextile (Neptune & Mercury).

He also has his Pluto exactly conjunct my Ascendant and his Venus is exactly conjunct my Vertex. His Venus is also conjunct my IC and exactly sextile my Mars. My Mars, Sun and Mercury all hover over his IC.

I'm pretty sure we have some "cinderella" aspects in Synastry according to magi astrology... which reminds me, I really should buy their book so I can look further into it.

I'd really love to delve much further into midpoints,which is why I want that program! In my own Chart, I have the Moon at 10 of Capricorn and Saturn at 13 of Virgo, exactly trining my Sun/Moon midpoint.

Can anyone recommend some good books on midpoints?

EDIT!!!
I first calculated my midpoint at 22.5 of Cap, then decided I made a mistake, recalculated it at 12.5 of Cap and then realized it's impossible for my Moon to be conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint!!! So it was actually at 22.5 of Cap. The aforementioned man has his Mars conjunct my Sun/Moon mispoint and I have Mercury conjunct it!

posted April 18, 2006 06:45 PM            

Here's the thread about transiting midpoints:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008019.html

Z

posted April 18, 2006 07:33 PM              

yeah, it's unfortunate but i think that the midpoint program is designed for older windows operating systems. i had someone at work that works on PCs try it out and that's what the issue appears to be. that's crappy.

AG posted his midpoint grid that he got from astrodienst so that's one way to get all the midpoints in a nice neat little diagram. go to extended chart selections and click on pullen/astrolog and then under type of chart you want choose aspect/midpoint grid chart.

and ebertin has a great book on midpoint pictures, it's called "THE COMBINATION OF STELLAR INFLUENCES", and the full name of the author is Reinhold Ebertin.

also one can use cafeastrology...someone posted the link, but here it is again just in case:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointspictures2.html

it has cookbook interps that are listed like this....

Sun-Moon-Mercury (1)

You have good aptitude for psychology, history, and anthropology. You are a good listener, and other people enjoy sharing with you issues that concern them.

the way that you read this is that this blurb would apply to all the midpoint picture combos that involve sun, moon, and mercury. so this would apply to

sun=moon/mercury
moon=sun/mercury
mercury=sun/moon

at least i think that's how they set that up.

hope this helps!

posted April 18, 2006 10:42 PM              

*edit: for the midpoint program, you'll also need the old vbrun300.dll. Get it from here:

posted April 20, 2006 10:51 AM              

Keeping with my quest to simplify astrology , I break this down into "keywords" (more in the link below):

Sun/Moon square Pluto

is

Sun (self-expression)/Moon (home, also emotions) square (energy needs to be combined with) Pluto (transformation, also power, sex)

is

Emotional self-expression needs to combine with sexual power

and

I leave the rest to your active imagination!

Censoring,

Tim

posted April 20, 2006 11:53 AM              

i found this passage on cafeastrology and thought you might like to read it. it talks about the sun/moon midpoint and its meaning...

In synastry, the Sun/Moon midpoint is very often activated by the other person's personal planet in significant relationships. The Sun/Moon midpoint represents a point of "inner marriage" and symbolizes close personal relationship. If another person's personal planet, and especially the Sun or Moon, forms an aspect such as the ones referred to above, that person represents some kind of promise of integration to the Sun/Moon midpoint owner. Whether or not integration actually happens, this synastry connection offers a promise which can be difficult to resist. Therefore, it is a strong indicator of attraction.

so basically the sun/moon midpoint person in the situation you describe would possibly be inspired to change, to grow, to be sexual/experience power as a result of contact with the pluto person.

dear WN, the orb usually used for midpoint pictures is 1° to 2°.

hope this helps!

posted April 20, 2006 01:38 PM            

My boyfriend's is 14 Capricorn/Cancer