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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 03, 2006 07:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This should be a popular thread.
Mindless criticism and ass-kissing are band from this thread, BUT you can be nasty to me and critical if you have an astrological basis for doing so or cite something negative from my birth data. Please look at my chart, and pick holes in me. Compliments or positive stuff are also allowed. If you choose to be harsh that's fine as i deserve it but please back it up with substance.
I will post my chart wheel as soon as i find a suitable source (IQ do you know one - i found one but any wheels pasted from it disappear as soon as you log off from the original site). Mean time the information is below.
(Of course the best way to hurt me as a Moon in Leo person would be to totally ignore me, but i didn't tell you that)
Thanks MCM.

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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Kim Rogers
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posted June 03, 2006 08:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MCM,

Ah c'mon, not even a li'l ass kissing? It's ever so much fun!

My sense of humor, like my ass kissing, is tounge-in-cheek.

Was that too bad? Should I delete?

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writesomething
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posted June 03, 2006 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what is wrong with you? seriously? did you forget to take your meds again?

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

-Khalil Gibran

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Kim Rogers
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posted June 03, 2006 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess that's a yes. Sorry if I offended anyone. I don't know why; I just feel so silly & zany. I'll try to behave til it passes.

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writesomething
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posted June 03, 2006 08:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KIM- hun I was not talking to you Im talking about MCM...sorry for the mix up....

something is seriously wrong with him.



>>>>Mindless criticism and ass-kissing are band from this thread>>>> Compliments or positive stuff are also allowed. If you choose to be harsh that's fine as i deserve<<<<

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

-Khalil Gibran

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lioneye68
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posted June 03, 2006 08:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, I don't think there's anything wrong with him. He just wants the brutal truth about his flaws, based soley on his birth chart. It's a Sag. in their finest form.

Now, having said that - I'm very curious. I will take a peek and tell you what I think. It'll have to wait until after supper, though. Got some rib-eyes on the grill at the mo-

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Iqhunk
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posted June 04, 2006 01:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Iqhunk
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posted June 04, 2006 01:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, based on the chart, the major strengths of MCM are:

Venus in 19 Sag trine Moon in 20 Leo
and trine Chiron in 20 Aries.
A grand trine of healing love potential.

Jupiter conj Juno trine SIVA

Asc-Juno-Siva in grand trine

KARMA sextile Moon

Mars conjunct VALENTINE

Mercury conj Lust

Sun conj True Node conj Neptune

Pallas sextile Mercury

PLuto sextile Neptune/Sun/True Node


MAJOR CHALLENGES:
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Retro KARMA opposes Venus.

Retro Saturn (abusive/angry father?) in first house, close to Ascendant and mild opposition to ANUBIS.

Retro Saturn sq retro Chiron. This would hurt real bad

Moon square Mars/Valentine.

Neptune conj True Node. (Can be strength too)

Valentine/Mars sq Lilith

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 04, 2006 01:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQ. (Boudewijn btw). Although my Ascendent is 13 degrees Cancer (even closer to Saturn!). You may have used Newport Wales. For simplicity i sometimes use Southampton for my birth place as it's the nearest town in terms of Lat' / Long'.
Kim' and writenothing try and stick to the guidelines you couple of useless wet blankets.
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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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lioneye68
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posted June 04, 2006 07:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, MCM - The theme of your thread is "why I'm such a bast@rd", so I'm approaching this from the premise that you are in fact a bast@rd, meaning a-hole, and why that might be. lol...just following your lead here.

First thing that jumps out at me is - Moon square Mars - Moon is in your 3rd house, house of communication, Mars is in your 5th house, house of romance, fun, self-actualization. You may be quite insensitive in the way you communicate, especially in romantic involvments. You may tend to put your own pleasure before all else, and are no stranger to discord & angry exchanges with women.

You also have Uranus in the 5th house, which could mean a "start-stop-jump-to left-feild" quality in your approach to love relationships. Detached and lacking consistancy in this area, a need for new experiences and constant chaos makes you rather terrifying to a partner who is not as hyper.

Saturn in the 1st house, can cause a rather pessimistic demeaner. But, it's also a good aspect to have in terms of consistancy, so this may balance out the 5th house Uranus & Mars. It won't make you a nice person, though. It'll just make you conduct yourself in a goal oriented, stable manner, and possibly make you test or question the sincerity of others- even though the rest of your chart suggests a lack of accountability (cough - hypocrite)

Jupiter rules your sun (which makes it more important in your chart), and also squares your sun, mercury & venus. You're so confident in your beliefs that you feel you're smarter than everyone else. You shoot yourself in the foot and then shove it in your own mouth all the time. You are "overconfident", which makes other people's blood boil sometimes. But, as far as you're concerned, you're never wrong, so that's their problem. You cannot be talked out of any of your beliefs, no matter how much logic/experience/anger you recieve from others. There's almost no use trying. You know better than everyone. (so you think)

You do have some aspects that suggest the ladies find you dreamy. At least at first.

Honestly, I think the bulk of your troubles come from Jupiter. It's amplifying your personal planets in a bad way, (squares) and making you think you are a god among mortals. And, maybe in some respect you are, but it's mainly true only in your own perception. You can change that energy, though. You can make it really great. Jupiter is a really benevolent planet, and to have alot of Jupiter energy working for you is really fortunate.


No offence, eh?

Waits for this to turn into a "Do ME now!" fest

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sue g
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posted June 04, 2006 07:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh

Sag Sun...Moon Leo....isnt that in itself rather challenging?

My best friend knows a guy with these placements,,,,and he does tend to have a problem with the ego.....? He is very lively and active physically but sometimes when he speaks you just wanna say "ouch'?

And why do you think you are such a b@st@rd.....maybe a little insensitive at times.....and sarcastic, but surely you are not THAT bad....

I get a feeling from you that underneath you are very easily hurt, but have a propensity to lash out...then maybe afterwards regret it.....?

Just a feeling.

And I think you are very brave to put yourself up for this....that in itself shows you have an intention to "grow"

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 04, 2006 09:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioneye and Sue G, thanks for your input. Lioneye was quite perspicacious there. Very good. I think my Jupiter squares means alot of me has gone to waste. I'm terrible with money, but very charitable especially to animal etc. I don't suffer from a big ego in fact i almost don't have one except with a view to try and have sex with people, so i s'pose i have a sex drive. I probably do suffer from always thinking i'm right perhaps, and in an arguement i am absolutely unconquerable. However if i know i'm wrong i don't argue. Mars squares the Moon as you say and can lead a person to think it's weak to comprimise, which i'm trying to rectify.
I think the crutch of why people think i'm a b@st@rd sometimes stems from my MCM. Mars is in Scorpio and Mercury is in Sagittarius. The combination leads to an assertively out-spoken demeanour, but in fairness it also leads to a very quick mind and i sum things and people up very quickly. It is possibly my matching sharp tongue that offends people aswell. I don't mean offence but don't always mind if it happens; i don't ever see why the truth should be watered down (MCM + 4 planets in Sagittarius).
I am very sensitive inside but not for myself, more for other creatures that i feel are meek; this can be animals or sometimes humans. I'm not trying to say i'm kind to everyone, obviously that isn't the case. I'm kind to those that deserve it, but a little intolerant and abrasive to those that don't.
I originally joined here to enjoy it and hopefully make some friends. I have always enjoyed it and hopefully some people like me, though conversely hopefully some people are challenged by me otherwise i wouldn't be doing my job; the job that is embedded in my chart.
It's funny as i was thinking of changing my username to Moontrinevenus. I think the very words MCM themselves carry a certain potential for interaction. In this case without even trying i have been 'Mars (Scorpio) conjunct Mercury (Sagittarius) personified' on here haven't i, and not too everyone's liking.
Thanks for your contributions, and as long as you're speaking from the heart, say it!


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IQhunk -

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 04, 2006 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has been at least one thread on user names here, and I think that the name you choose could very well have something to do with your interactions here.

I was going to tell you that you're a b@stard simply because you choose to be a b@stard. I think you've admitted as much, though. You believe (as I do) that things probably happen for a reason, so you may as well go with it. If it means being a B@stard so be it.

I also have Mars in Scorpio and Mercury in Sag (along with Venus and Neptune), though my Mars and Mercury aren't conjunct.

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lioneye68
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posted June 04, 2006 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MCM, I didn't really regard your mars conjunct mercury that seriously, as they're about 8 degrees apart and out of sign. General rule of thumb with out of sign aspects is that you should use much tighter orbs. In the case of a conjunction, I wouldn't bother looking at anything with an orb wider than 5 degrees. Even that is probably too generous.

Uhm, what does "perspicacious" mean?

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted June 04, 2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wrote something very stupid here

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 04, 2006 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perspicacious (sp?) means discerning or having penetrating insight. The orb is 7 degrees. Yeah i know what you mean not that tight. It must be my Saturn conjunct Asc. that makes me so 'saturnine' then (orb = 4 degrees) Asc is 13 degrees not 11. IQhunk used wrong Newport.


MNF - what did you write?


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IQhunk -

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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DayDreamer
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posted June 04, 2006 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry don't know you enough for me to make any observations.

I have Mars conjunct Mercury too....and I quite like it. Dont see anything else in your chart either.

Sorry not much help. Is this thread for some one (or a few) in particular?

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sue g
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posted June 04, 2006 04:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am a little confused that you say you dont have a big ego and yet you think you are always right and unconquerable in an argument...........isnt that a contradiction of sorts??????

I also think yer Leo Moon is crying out for attention and that is why you posted this thread.....do you feel in your life that you dont get enough..........attention that is?

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 04, 2006 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes in my upbringing i was almost completely starved of attention (except from my friends). Maybe that's why it comes out forcefully on forums?

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IQhunk -

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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Aen
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posted June 04, 2006 05:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of energy consentrated in the 6th + NN there too. You want to lead and teach (Jupiter, ruler of Sun square some personal planets AND ruler it is ruler of NN too) You may well have flair for guiding people, but at same you should go where NN is pointing and that is showing way towards practical, yet inspiring service. Tall order, I'd say.

Is there a conflict between what you'd like to do and what you know in heart of hearts that you should be doing?


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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 04, 2006 06:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is there a conflict between what you'd like to do and what you know in heart of hearts that you should be doing?

If you mean between what i am doing and what i feel i should be doing or have a natural leaning towards... yes a rather LARGE conflict.


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IQhunk -

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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sd09
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posted June 04, 2006 08:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just donknow i know i am

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wilsontc
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posted June 05, 2006 12:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars,


You have Scorpio (transformation, also control) modifying a least aspected (strong energy) Mars (being, also action, anger) focused in the 5th house (self-expression). Since Mars is least aspected it barely connects into your chart (I do not consider you to have Mars conjunct Mercury). As a result, you may not "connect in" with your actions and so OVERact in attempt to express yourself actively. The result can be expressing yourself in over-controlling actions in some way. The solution is to recognize that your actions ARE being noticed and...a little goes a long way! Also, since the only aspect Mars makes is Mars square (energy needs to be combined with) Moon (home, also emotions), over-expressing your actions may lead to you reacting very emotionally as well.

Other issues besides Mars in terms of aspects are you have a least aspected (strong energy) Saturn (duty, also structure, authority) which may cause you to over-structure or over-authoritize in some way. AND you have an unaspected (strong energy) Uranus (friends, also rebellion) which may cause you to rebel strongly at things.

Guessing,

Tim

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 05, 2006 02:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Timothy.

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Well, for every one point that all of you like about me, I can list three.

4th December 1974 18:00GMT Isle of Wight UK

Always out-numbered. Never out-gunned.

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Kim Rogers
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posted June 05, 2006 07:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Off topic again.

I have yet to meet a Sag that didn't get my humor. My best 'battle of wits' came from a Sag & my Gem/Sag son.

I took a page from my Leo dads book; who, always showed his friendship by joking around. If he didn't like you- you didn't exist.

I thought you could use a laugh.

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