posted June 12, 2006 05:57 PM            

For example 7th house overlays are thought to indicate long-term potential in relationships but if my partner's Sun, Venus and Mercury are in my 7th house but none of my planets are in his 7th house, does that mean that I am the only one who thinks of marriage or a long-term relationship or can my view of a long-term partnership influence him to see the partnership as more long-term as well?

If that makes sense

posted June 12, 2006 06:11 PM              

This has been discussed previously, with differing opinions. My opinion is, yes, house synastry in a chart is one-sided: if none of your planets are focused in his 7th house then he does not see you as focusing on relationships. However, this does not mean he could not decide to have a realtionship with you if he wanted to.

Agreeing,

Tim

posted June 12, 2006 09:40 PM            

There's more to a permanent relationship than having planets in one person's 7th house. What aspects do those planets make in the synastry and in the planet person's own natal chart? What aspects do the 5th and 7th house rulers make in the synastry and in the natal charts? The glue or commitment in long-term relationships and marriage is Saturn, and it's aspects between the two people. It will also depend upon how each person handles their Saturn, Capricorn and 10th house in their own natal charts. Transits, progressions, transits to progressions also have to be considered at the time of the relationship to each person involved. You may also want to consider solar arcs, progressed synastry and progressed to natal synastry for timing.

Sun in the other person's 7th - postive aspects lead to attraction and romance or friendship between the two people, negative aspects can lead to dislike and ego problems. In some cases lawsuits and divorces can arise. This is also the house of open enemies.

Mercury in the other person's 7th - curious about each other's thoughts regarding the relationship. If positively aspected, they will like to talk, discuss and share information. They may like to take short journeys together. If Mercury is afflicted either by comparison or in the Mercury person's chart, communications maybe be difficult and misunderstandings may arise.

Venus in the other person's 7th - a strong romantic attraction that can lead to marriage. They will interact in a harmonious, affectionate manner if Venus is not negatively aspected. They will want to make each other happy and feel loved. Time together may revolve around the arts, music, entertainment, money, pleasure and social occasions. If Venus isn't positively aspected problems of overindulgence, misunderstandings, and arguments may occur.

Astrology Topics: predicting love relationships & marriage
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/predictingloverelationships.html

Saturn in Synastry
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/saturninsynastry.html

Synastry: Planet Overlays in Houses
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastryplanetsinhouses.html

The Sun in the Houses in Synastry
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastrysuninhouses.html

Your Sun in your partner's 7th House: This overlay is a magnetic one. This is one of the more powerful overlays in synastry, resulting in a very natural union between two people. Your partner views you as his or her ideal partner. The main caution here, however, is that the union is so powerful that individual identities can feel as if lost—where exactly you and your partner start and finish may be quite blurred. What starts out as a powerful and natural union might deteriorate into a union comprised of resentment and competitiveness. Although your partner may see you as an ideal mate, you may not reciprocate those feelings in the same way. In some way, you help your partner learn about himself or herself through the relationship. This is because your partner sees in you traits that he or she is unconsciously drawn to in order to effect an inner sense of balance. Compromise is the keyword of this position, as both of you try to maintain balance and harmony in the relationship. Be careful not to let this desire for balance degenerate into a "*** for tat" attitude toward one another. Your partner is not as willing to "share" you with others, preferring some sort of commitment or for the relationship to be one-on-one.

NOTES ON SYNASTRY
by Carol Willis
http://www.astrologynow.com/carolwillis/Synastry.txt

If X's Sun falls into Y's 7th house, one might expect this would be a great partnership or mate, however the interest may be short lived. The parties bring each other new viewpoints to consider. Taking a page from horary astrology, I've found that most of the time, with rare exception, X's Sun in Y's 7th house produces short-term relationship attractions, i.e. "the Sun burns out the 7th house" (horary). X is usually the one to withdraw and lose interest, or burn out, even exhibit something of a "scorched earth" policy in leaving a relationship, or just withdraw quietly and mysteriously so as not to cause a fuss, even though Y would welcome having X around longer. 7th house relationships tend to burn out quickly. Individual charts need to be examined for possible exceptions.

X's MERCURY THROUGH Y's HOUSES bring conversation and learning in the area of X's Mercury sign and Y's house in question.

X's VENUS THROUGH Y'S HOUSES brings pleasure, grace, and ease to Y's house in question.

posted June 13, 2006 01:24 PM            

Astroleolady - thanks for all the helpful links.

In terms of his sun being in my 7th house, yes he was the one to pull back but I'm not sure the reason was that he "lost interest" and now that I read the saturn synastry it seems a lot more like he didn't want to get further involved because he knew it could turn into something serious - his round about words too. He even fished for feedback about marriage but in a "its not like we could get married right?" After addressing his concerns about what marriage would entail it seemed that he wasn't completely against the idea. That was a conversation we had a month post break up though. Soo yeah.. its hard for me to tell how mutual house overlays are still.

posted June 13, 2006 11:31 PM            

It's a bit different that "just" a house placement being mutually felt because an angle is a very important point in your chart and in an overlay where there is a conjunction, wouldn't it also be valid to say "x's dc falls on y's venus" and it would be to say "y's venus falls on x's dc"...

As far as house overlays and my opinion... personally, I don't think they are mutually felt... BUT... I have a theory based on some posts here that IT IS felt when one person has so many planets in one house. I think they may well feel the influence of that house because when they are with you, you draw so many of their planets into focus in that area?

Can I ask the Knowflakes that said a certain person had many planets in their 5th or 7th houses and THAT PERSON felt the 5th/7th house influences and the Knowflakes did not... I want to explore this further

Can you tell me what, if any, aspects your planets made to their 5th and 7th house planets?

Can you tell me what aspects, if any, you had between your charts Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars.

I have a couple theories in my brain, but I don't want to sound silly and blurt them out and ahve them completely unfounded, hehehe. But I'm certain the more we dig, we will figure out why the influence seemed to pool back to the person with the planets. Oh what the hell... I'm thinking it's going to have to do with a lack of aspects, or perhaps an affliction of some sort.

Perhaps your personal planets are quincunx the all the 5th and 7th house planets and in that way... you are "turning away" from them?

Heheh... I don't know, but I definitely want to figure it out!

posted June 14, 2006 04:11 AM            

Moon in the other person's 7th - Romantic attraction and can be seen in marital relationships. Families and the home can play an important part in the relationship. Domestic security will play a role, as will the emotions of the planet person. Because of the changing nature of the moon there maybe many ups and downs in the relationship because of changing moods and emotional reactions to situations that may come up. Instincts, moods, emotions and feelings will be important in this relationship. This partnership may centred around a family or home based business, real estate, food or domestisity. The 7th house person must always consider the Moon person's feelings.

ScrpnBliss,

You're welcome. Saturn is very important in synastry! Do you have any synastry books? Sakoian & Acker have one as does Ronald Davison. Both are good. The cafe astrology website is very good as well for relationship astrology.

Transits:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/transits.html

http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/prev

http://horoscope.diy.myrice.com/english.html
Click on the links above the Elman Bacher links for Venus through Pluto transits.

Mars446,

It depends on what plents are involved in the 8th house, what aspects they make in the synastry and in the natal chart of the planet person.

posted June 14, 2006 08:21 PM            

Moon in the other person's 1st - emotional link between the two people. The first house person's personality will strongly affect the Moon person's emotions and moods. Could be an indicator of romantic attraction. Family, the home, and domestic situations will be some issues for this relationship. The first house person will bring about habitual responses from the Moon individual. The Moon person's childhood and ancestry may factor into the relationship. If the Moon is poorly aspected in the synastry or natally, the first house person may upset the Moon person and the Moon person maybe moody, overly emotional, irritable and childish.

Venus in the other person's 1st - romantic attraction, possibly marriage placement, business partnerships, social relationship. They will identify with each other emotionally. The attention, love, affection, money, artistic & musical pursuits, creative endeavours and/or luxuries provided by the Venus will bolster the first house person's self-expression, so that it's more harmonious, affectionate, creative and artistic. The first house person will give confidence and assertiveness to the Venus person artistic, musical, creative, business and social activities. A negatively aspected Venus, either by synastry or natally, could result in the Venus person wanting the first house person to provide financially and the first house person maybe too egocentric and aggressive towards the Venus person.

Mars446,

Moon in the other person's 8th - Important for business relationships and relationships were joint finances are featured. The natives maybe interested in 8th house matters like sex, the occult, psychics, death, regeneration, transformation etc. If the Moon is negatively aspected, either by synastry or natally, there can be emotional problems and fights stemming from 8th house issues. A positively aspected Moon can indicate that the 8th house person can influence the Moon person's emotions, home and family life in positive matter. The Moon person will help emotionally aid in the 8th house person's 8th house issues.

Venus in the other person's 8th - Business relationships and relationships where one or both people involved may gain money and possessions. Strong passion and deep sexual attraction possible. If Venus is negatively aspect, either by synastry or natally, jealousy, possessiveness, power and control issues can result, as well as money problems. If Venus is positively aspected, this placement can be favourable for 8th house issues such as joint finances, banking, investments, taxes, wills, legacies, regeneration, emotional transformation and sexual activity.

Mars in the other person's 8th - Strong sexual attraction, but not indicative of a love relationship, possible business relationship. The people involved will be actively involved in 8th house issues. In extreme and rare cases, if Mars is negatively aspected, either by synastry or natally, it may result in death for one or both people, also financial loss or power and control issues related to joint monies and sex. If Mars is positively aspected this placement will create dynamic energies that will activate and advance 8th house issues.

Pluto in the other person's 7th - intense, deep and serious involvement in a marriage or business partnership that could result in one or both of the people involved being transformed. This relationship will centre around the issues of Pluto, which are similar to 8th house issues: sex, joint monies, death, transformation etc. If Pluto is negatively afflicted, either by synastry or natally, there may be arguments over joint monies, sex, inheritances, insurance, alimony. Jealousy, power and control issues may arise. A severed relationship may result and in the case of marriage, a divorce. If Pluto is positively aspected, this may be a deep and transformative relationship and possibly a karmic one.

posted June 14, 2006 09:00 PM              

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Can you tell me what, if any, aspects your planets made to their 5th and 7th house planets?

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Does this mean to their planets that fell in my 7th or to the planets they have in *their* chart that fall in the 5th or 7th? If you meant it the 1st way:

Their Sun: out of sign conj to my Sun, trine my Saturn and Pluto, sextile my Neptune. // Their Jupiter: trine my Mars and Saturn. // Their Mars: square my Jupiter. // Their Mercury: conj my Mercury, loose square to my Jupiter, sextile my Uranus. // Their Saturn: conj my Mercury, sextile to my Uranus. This friend transposes only 5 not 6 planets as a I stated earlier. I said if I wasnt mistaken

If you meant it the other way then I couldnt say cos I dont have his correct time of birth. Just an estimate.

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Can you tell me what aspects, if any, you had between your charts Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars.

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Awhl rite - since I have an estimated time of birth for him and based on personality I put his Moon at late Cancer, not early Leo.

His Moon opposite my Moon and Venus. His Venus conjunct my Sun, about 30 minutes apart. No Mars aspects.

If you also meant the other planets that Sun Moon Venus Mars aspect:

His Sun: conj my Sun out of sign, trine Saturn, trine Pluto, sextile Neptune. // His Moon: opposite Moon, opposed Venus, square Pluto. // His Venus: conjunct Sun, square Uranus // His Mars: square Jupiter.

My Sun: conj his Sun out of sign, conj Venus, opposed Uranus. // My Moon: opposed Moon. // My Venus: opposed Moon // My Mars: trine Jupiter.

The inconjuncts we have are: His Moon to my Neptune, my Moon to his Uranus.

posted June 18, 2006 12:11 PM              

Thank you for those great links. There was one which had an excerpt which popped out at me, and I'm going to start a separate thread for it ...

(the excerpt:

If your partner's Mercury falls in your twelfth house, you might find yourself talking about personal or spiritual matters more than you would with other people. Something about your partner gives you the feeling that you are either free to discuss these things, or that you should discuss them.

Now, the twelfth house is a tricky house when it is activated in synastry. When someone's planet(s) fall in your twelfth house, you might feel somewhat unsettled, and you might find that your partner finds you somewhat elusive as well. Often, there is a distinct feeling of mistrust in these scenarios, especially on the part of the planet person. In our example, if your partner's Mercury falls in your twelfth house, a rather impersonal, matter-of-fact energy (Mercury) is meeting a personal, elusive, and indefinable part of you. It is a difficult combination, because your partner is trying to get you to define, in a straightforward and matter-of-fact way, things that you feel are better left unspoken. At the very least, twelfth house matters can certainly be expressed, but not comfortably in a Mercury-energy manner. Your responses may not leave Mercury satisfied. Your partner may be puzzled as to why you don't seem to be capable of giving straight answers. He or she may even decide that you are holding back, purposely eluding him or her, hiding something, etc. If you are involved in a deep relationship with the Mercury person, he or she may, on some level, find you vaguely untrustworthy. You might react by holding back even more, and the effect can be quite difficult. Why does your partner always seem to want you to spell things out?

Mercury overlaying the twelfth house stands in stark contrast to our example of Mercury overlaying the sixth house, where it feels comfortable (it is much easier to be factual about daily routines!). However, this doesn't mean that Mercury overlaying the 6th is a "better" position than Mercury overlaying the 12th. The Mercury/12th overlay can be a deeply rewarding one, while the Mercury/6th overlay, an annoying one! More probably, each combination has its pros and cons. Much will depend on the particular needs and personalities of the people involved." )

I have a vague memory of Jennifer Anniston having the 6th House kind of affect with Brad Pitt. Needless to say, comminication is very important, and I struggle with it.

posted May 07, 2008 09:57 AM            

We were around each other almost everyday. The affection was great and always there. There also seemed to be a "sweet air" around us. Her and I had a LOT in common. We liked the same music, food, travel, movies, and a whole lot more. I don't know why, but I was VERY (and still am) forgiving of her shortcomings, more so than I would be to most other people.

We cared about each other deeply. However, she had some personal issues that really got in the way of our relationship. I always said, if I were single, i'd give it another chance with this woman if she handled her personal issues.

Let me just tell you, that Eros conjunct Vertex was definitely felt !

posted February 01, 2010 01:41 PM            

My Aqua ex and I had at least two planets in his 7th (Mars, Mer and sorta my Sun and asc its actually in his 6th but conjunct his DC), along with my Moon in his 1st, and my Venus in 4th/on cusp of 5th. None of my planets fell in his 11th except for Uranus. He had his Sun/Mer in my 9th, his Moon in my 4th, his Venus in my 7th, and his Mars in my 11th. And I thought of him as a great boyfriend, someone to talk about religion/bounce ideas off, and fun (the 9th house is ruled by Jupiter...and also TONS of fun) and even better friend.

Looking back on my relationship with my Aqua ex I thought we were friends (his 11th house overlay). And I valued that more than our actual romantic relationship. I ended the relationship, but wanted to get back together and he didn't, and said that he didn't know if he wanted to be with me in the future as we weren't ever friends. We were just a couple. Hearing that made me sad...not because the relationship ended but because he didn't consider me a friend.

Anyway my question is if there are no personal planets in his 11th house does that mean that one won't view someone as a friend (or according to Wilson...I'm more focused on that aspect while he's more focused on partnership stuff). Or do we tend to take on the roles of the house their planets fall in.

For instance, I really really want him to be a friend (I also have Natal Venus in the 11th and Sun/Mars Inconjunct Uranus/Jup) and am wondering if the house energy rules our expectations of how we relate to someone. Plus he's just so much darn fun. His Jupiter touches my Mer, Venus, and Moon.

Even now I've read that planets in the 7th house want a one on one partnership. Because so many of my planets are in his 7th and none are in his 11th other than Uranus...would that mean that he will always view me as a natural partner. And because I thought we were friends, I'll miss the relationship but want the friendship because he was someone I could bounce ideas off of, and was emotionally attached to. Basically will it be unnatural for him to be a friend to me? Etc?

**Updated on April 15th, 2010**