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Kat
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posted July 15, 2006 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects signs indicate someone will never marry?

I'm starting to think I have them.

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Full-fifthhouse-loulou
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posted July 15, 2006 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How old are you Kat? Sorry if I'm being rude/nosy, just curious why you think you will never marry.

Marriage isn't for everyone - and nor should it be. I never thought I would marry. But I have (aged 28, which is 7 years ago.)

The strange thing is my seventh house is empty, no aspects, no planets there. Yet I would say I have thus far enjoyed a strong and significant marriage.

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Rev. Alice
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posted July 16, 2006 08:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far as I know, there are no charts which forbid marriage. There are certain charts which indicate that you do not "need" to marry. The most obvious ones show a "whole being"--one consciously whole, who does not "need" an "other half."

One indicator of this is an Aries-Libra interception. For these, marriage MUST BE between equals, if it is to work at all.

Truth be told, that should be the criteria for all marriages.

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sthenri
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posted July 16, 2006 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be in a substandard marriage
aries-libra interception is in my chart but I do try substandard relationships anyway-it's a nightmare.

Natasha


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SecretGardenAgain
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posted July 16, 2006 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gotta agree with what RevAlice and Natasha said. I have libra ascendant (Aries desc) and Venus in Aries , most interps say I 'need marriage'. I got married young at 18 and divorced at 19, but that was arranged, and Ive always needed friendship and sexual attraction to someone more than marriage or a relationship. I just like having a good looking man to talk to, which is so Gemini (sun/merc/mars). Then again Gemini women are bound to go through 2-3 marriages on average. Truth be told Id really rather not get married but it ends up happening. I think it depends on what you exude, the kind of people you attract, and how strongly the man is involved; also of course depends on the circumstance. I really dont see marriage as irreversible either altho I do respect it and it should last of course, but like many other things, its very fluid and mutable to me

I think viewing these things seriously would lower ur confidence about them; do you mind posting your chart Kat? Where do you live? What kind of men do you meet?

Love
SG

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HandsomeLibra
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posted July 16, 2006 09:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is intersting to me .. can anyone look at my chart and tellme about my marriage etc
i FEEL like i need a partner but marriage itself is very "mutable" ( as secretgarden put it ) ..

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bullhead
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posted July 16, 2006 10:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL
perfect to pic, was sitting here just thinking about it...

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DayDreamer
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posted July 16, 2006 11:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well how about charts that are more likely to deny or limit the opportunity of marriage?

Has there been any studies into the charts of those who dont marry? And were there any commonalities in those charts?

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Kat
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posted July 17, 2006 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FFHLL,I'm 43

July 11, 1963 7:53am Cleveland, Ohio

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illusions_fool
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posted July 18, 2006 08:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh this is a good subject, one I've been wondering about myself. I have the Aries-Libra interception, but why do I still feel a need to have a partner ? I never have but I've lost all hope in ever having. Relationships never end well for me and I don't mean romantic ones [I've never had a romantic relationship] I mean just friendships. It seems like a curse really.

~Rebekka

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Scorpio3x
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posted July 18, 2006 09:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am 48 years old and have never married, despite two engagements. I have always wanted to get married and have children but it has never happened. Could someone take a quick look at my chart and tell me if they see a reason?
you can email me if you like at *deleted*. Thank you in advance for any insight that you can give.

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shirty
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posted July 18, 2006 12:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone explain this interception thing? I'm a tad lost.

Thanks!

~shirty

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lioneye68
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posted July 18, 2006 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm 37, turning 38 in August, and I have yet to marry. And, frankly - the whole idea of marriage freeks me out a little. I do prefer monogamy, and long term common law relationships, but marriage...seems too complicated to get out of, and most relationships seem to have a limited "shelf life" anyway, so why create legal bonds that will inevitably end up being broken? That just complicates the get-away.

Sigh - perhaps it's just me, I'm just cynical. I respect marriage greatly, so I'd never enter into it lightly. I guess that's why it hasn't happened for me so far. I've never been sure enough about a relationship to go to the max like that. And, even when I am sure, I think "Well, maybe that's how we feel NOW, but how will we feel about each other in 5 years?" The fact is, relationship change. Feelings change. People change. It's niave to think that won't happen.

Anyway, sometimes I wonder if having Juno in the 12th house has contributed to my lack of marriage?? Sagittarius rising, could have something to do with it too.

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astroleolady
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posted July 18, 2006 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DayDreamer,

Some possible indications of no marriage are Saturn, Uranus and Pluto in the 7th and Mars in the 4th.

Hard aspects between Venus and Saturn are other indicators.

Venus in the 4th can indicate a marriage in the later half of life, especially the last third of it.

None of these mean that you absolutely won't get married though. They are just possibilities.

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illusions_fool
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posted July 18, 2006 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I gotta ask. Does this chart of a friend of mine have the Aries-Libra interception? I didn't think my chart had the interception, so I'd rather ask somebody who knows what they're doing to take a look. Thanks! http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_81pfileiI3Tvk-u1085088825.85187.5371.gif&res=63&va=


~Rebekka

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astroleolady
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posted July 18, 2006 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shirty,

A link to info about intercepted signs written by Bob Marks.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Intercepted_signs.htm

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sthenri
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posted July 18, 2006 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have any of those aspects, but I agree with Lioneye, I believe it's a sag rising thing, we are kind of cynical.

I met an aries earlier this year who is married and dating (married to a virgo). Apparently it's not that important to the Joneses either!

Natasha

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astroleolady
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posted July 18, 2006 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
illusions_fool,

No, your friend doesn't have intercepted signs in the chart.

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BlueEyes24
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posted July 19, 2006 09:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi astroleolady,

could you tell me why venus in the 4th could be a possible marriage later in life?

thanks.

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Kamilla
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posted July 19, 2006 10:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have slightly cynical sagittarian approach to marriage too but in my case it manifested in a way "Oh, what the heck... I'll get married if it doesn't work I'll get divorced". Nothing to be particularly proud of...lol. And, yes, the legal part is definitely a pain in the neck. In fact, as a Mercury retrograde "present" I just got a bill that my ex was supposed to pay in 2003.

However, what truly amazes me these days that while people feel very serious about decision to get married it's very common to have children before this decision has been made. I mean, it certainly takes a lot of time and effort to deal with consequences of failed marriage but you CAN erase the person from your life pretty much completely and never see him/her again. That is certainly not the case with the parent of your child. No matter how much you dislike the person, you tied up for life.

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illusions_fool
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posted July 19, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you astrolady. I really wasn't sure.

Should someone with the Aries-Libra interception only date others with that interception, or are there other indications of being complete in oneself in a birth chart?

~Rebekka

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Kat
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posted July 19, 2006 06:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i do have Saturn Aqua in the 7th. Yet I know people who have this in their chart and are married. I'm a Cancer!(12th house) with Cancer venus 11th house, mercury, NN (12th House ) Aren't we supposed to be the marrying kind? With moon in Pisces conjunct chiron, I really should be married!

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Kamilla
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posted July 20, 2006 09:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat

I have Saturn in Aquarius in 7th House. It didn't stop me from getting married and while my marriage didn't work out, may be it's because I wasn't mature enough. We supposed to be late bloomers, you know, I think your other placements are definitely in favor of married life and good home so don't give up

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ScorpioRising
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posted July 20, 2006 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't WAIT TO get married. I have been this way since I was 9! I have wanted kids since I was 12! (Scorpio Rising, Taurus sun, Cancer moon-Venus in Aries (5th.), Taurus/Gemini 7th hour.) I REALLY wish I wasn't this way. So much of my life is occupied with this...I am in a long term relationship-3 years..yet he is the WAIT for marriage kind! He would make me wait until I was 30 if it was up to him!

He is VERY marriage shy. Double Aries, Aquarius Rising, Venus in Aquarius.

Marriage has always been a huge deal to me. I wish I wasn't so scared of it ending or not getting married even...

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Divine Goddess
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posted July 20, 2006 11:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The question as to whether marriage will take place or not in any given case depends for its answer upon several factors, the balancing of which is not always an easy task.

It is made slightly easier than it might otherwise be by the fact that, in normal cases, there is a bias in favor of marriage, so that stronger influences are needed to prevent it than to bring it about.

The problem is not quite the same in the case of women as it is in that of men, although astrological authors have never differentiated between them, except in regard to the signifactors to be used.

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Let us first take a look at the Male birthchart:-

The chief signifactors to be studied in the case of men are the Moon, Venus, and the seventh house. The problem consists in determining whether these factors are sufficiently weak or afflicted either to prevent marriage taking place, or to remove the desire for it.

Before examining these significators it is always advisable to get a general idea of the nature of the person with whom one is dealing. In other words, study the character indicated in the horoscope.

For the study of marriage and fertility, the divisions of the signs of the zodiac into barren and fruitful groups is of importance.

According to ancient astrologers, the Barren signs are Gemini, Leo, and Virgo. The fruitful ones are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.

On the whole these signs may be considered as without marked influence upon fertility, but for the sake of those who could appreciate some guidance, even of a tentative nature, the following classification is suggested:-

a) Barren:- Gemini, Leo, Virgo
b) Semi-Barren:- Aries, Sagittarius, Capricorn
c) Semi-Fruitful:- Taurus, Libra, Aquarius
d) Fruitful:- Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces.


In order to judge whether marriage will take place, it is necessary to study the sign and house positions of the marriage signifactors and the nature of the seventh and certain other houses. The whole matter turns upon the strength and amount of affliction received by these.

It is best to start by examining the Moon and Venus, and noting the signs and houses they occupy.

They are most favorably disposed to marriage when in the fruitful signs, least favorably in the barren signs.

In regard to house position, the angular houses are the strongest, the succedent ones come next. But, from the point of view of marriage, the more elevated the position occupied by Venus and Moon, the better.

Perhaps the best houses for them are the 10th, 11th, and 1st. The 4th, 5th, and 7th are also good, but, in the case of the last two, much depends upon the fruitfulness of the sign and the nature of the aspects received.

These houses being primarily concerned with love and marriage are particularly sensitive. Barren signs and afflictions are worse here than elsewhere.

The most unfavorable houses for the Moon and Venus are the 12th, 6th, and 8th, all of which tend to hinder marriage.

The aspects to the Moon and Venus are the next factors to be considered. The worst possible afflictions are those from Saturn and Uranus, particularly if barren signs are involved.

Afflictions from Mars are not by any means so serious. They may stir up the passionate side of the nature far too much, and create matrimonial quarrels, but they alone will not prevent marriage.

In a general way, any influence that tends to increase isolation affords the greatest threat to a marriage, while influences of a gregarious nature tend to bring it about most easily.

The 12th, 6th, and 8th houses are all of an isolating nature.

The 12th acts as a prison to the planets occupying it, the 6th holds them in servitude, and the 8th kills them so to speak.

On the other hand, houses such as the 10th, 11th, 5th, and 7th are intimately concerned with the affairs of other people, and encourage contact with others instead of preventing it.

Again, from the point of view of the aspecting planets, Saturn is limiting and isolating in its effect, while Uranus is even more so, though in a rather different way (Home Work to you all, Think about how does Uranus act this way differently than Saturn).

Mars, on the other hand, does not isolate. If afflicted it will at least go out and quarrel with someone and not shut itself up in the manner of Saturn.

For an early marriage it is rather an advantage than otherwise to have no apsects between the signifactors and Saturn and Uranus, though good aspects may be very useful in married life.

An aspect from Mars to Venus, however, is always desirable, and tends to hasten marriage. (Home work for you all, why?)

Having decided whether the signifactors tend to favor marriage or not, look over the rest of the chart, and pay special attention to the ascendant and seventh house.

Barren signs here act against marriage, fruitful signs favor it, as do good aspects between the rulers of the rising and descending sign, and good aspects from Jupiter and Mars to these planets and the signifactors.

There is no decisive factor in the matter. The final conclusion as to whether marriage will take place or not must be arrived at by balancing up the pros and cons, not merely numerically, but with an eye to the importance and strength of each indication.


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Let us now take the case of a Female Birthchart:-


In the case of a woman, the aspectscan more easily suppress the marriage, but all sexual experiences, can more easily suppress the normal desire for marriage than in the case of a man. (Sigh, chauvinistic isn't it.)


In a man's chart, particular attention should be paid to any positions denoting a solitary life, such as strong 12th house afflictions, and unaspected ruler, or 7th house ruler ruler, a dominant Saturn or Uranus, and a marked absense of fruitful signs.

If such tendencies are not paramount, the afflictions in the chart will not deny sexual experience (because men are pigs) and irregular unions (figure it out yourself), though they may prevent legal marriage. This is especially the case if Jupiter joins in the afflictions.

In a woman's chart the normal desire for marriage may be destroyed by strong influences tending to cause idealism, such as are given by Libra; intense love fo freedeom, as given by Sagittarius or Aries; or an innate virginity, due usually to Virgo (sometimes Aquarius)

In cases of this kind, afflictions to the marriage signifactors will entirely prevent both marriage and sex experiences.

If the character is a more normal one, afflictions will prevent marriage if barrenness predominates, but should the afflictions involve fruitful signs they may, while preventing legal marriage, lead to an irregular union (figure it out)m or even to prostitution (or being plain sl*tty) if sufficiently strong.

Apart from considerations of this kind, the methods to be adopted in examining the marriage prospects in a woman's chart are the same as in the case of the man.

The planetary signifactors differ, for the Sun and Mars must be consulted for a woman instead of Moon and Venus.

It is necessary to study the Sun and Mars in exactly the same way and by the same rulers as the Moon and Venus are studied in a Man's chart.

If the Sun and moon are strong and elevated in fruitful signs in aspect with, and not afflicted by Saturn and Uranus, marriage will take place.

Marriage will be hindered or entirely prevented if the Sun and Mars are in no aspect to each other, and are situated in barren signs ot weak houses, and afflicted by Saturn or Uranus from a barren sign. The value of the houses is the same as they are in a Man's horoscope.

These indications are respectively the best and worst that maybe found. Most charts will show a mixture of good and bad, so that an attempt must be made to balance the conflicting indications, and find out which set preponderates.

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Hope all this helps, if any doubts or queries, or any thing you wish to ask or counter. Feel free to do so.

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