posted July 18, 2006 02:22 AM              

Since Virgo (daily work, also health) modifying Saturn (duty, also authority, restriction) focused in the 12th house (spirituality, also confusion) can indicate being restricted and confused by health issues in some way, this makes sense in what you are describing. Since Saturn squares (energy needs to be combined with) Neptune (spirituality, also confusion), this possibility is increased.

As you already know, do not let any NONmemdical person tell you to take less of your medications. The consequences of not taking medications can be VERY severe. If your mother does not understand this, you may need to move in with someone who DOES understand your need to take your medications.

Agreeing,

Tim

posted July 18, 2006 04:10 AM              

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted July 21, 2006 06:56 AM              

What society judges is different than the rest, where you go and how you develop will change your definition, so do not self define, or self judge except as a stable caring person, a valuable one. What you look like and have will change a thousand times in a lifetime.

In your posts you describe calling others on their bad behaviour, that's caring as much as you can in the circumstances. This is a nurturing function.

A lot of the good functions play out in limited circumstances whether we know it or not, some objective analysis is needed.

On the plus side, my mother has Saturn in Virgo in the 5th and she is very self critical, doubting and pessimistic especially concerned with her children.

But now as she is older, she is much more secure in her world and her children gave her the means to raise her standard of living and live by herself in a peaceful natural setting which is her dream.

Saturn Virgo needs to go somewhere peaceful and be surrounded by harmony, the ideal place is the countryside, or near natural beauty where the tempatures are not extreme. Saturn in Virgo CO-Exists with the environment and is reactive, you become one with those around you mentally, emotionally and physically.

Because you are sensitive you must protect yourself by believing in your own nature.
Your Neptune, your sensitive, caring nature, and possibly artistic or musical talents, will give you the means to rise above any faults. At some point you will meet another with a pisces moon who can bring friendship.

posted July 23, 2006 12:48 AM            

Saturn in the Twelfth House 12th hs

You often feel discouraged about yourself for no particular reason, even believing that you aren't as good as the people you know, without any justification whatsoever. You may feel that others do not like you, and even when they praise you, you can't take it seriously.

Also you may have the sense that your personal world isn't very stable, that at any minute sweeping changes could occur that would upset everything. Along with feelings of inferiority, this makes it difficult for you to act decisively when you should. You spend a great deal of time trying to make sure that conditions are safe for you to act without being defeated in your efforts.

The important lesson to learn is that most of your fears about yourself and your world are imaginary. As you get older, these problems will lessen and you will become more secure and self-confident.

posted July 23, 2006 12:08 PM              

Thank you, Luna.

D, I have been so moved to reach out to you lately.
Please talk here if it helps.
I know sometimes it's hard to. If that Saturn in 12th affects you the same, it can make you tend to withdraw into yourself, overwhelmed with feelings that talking is another risk in itself to be hurt again.
Not everyone would disappoint you.
I understand what you're feeling (from what I've gathered of reading your posts--it seems so--almost magical is our synchronisity it seems). I'm sure others would understand as well.

Hang in there, sweetheart.
Please don't let walls keep your beautiful light within.

posted July 24, 2006 01:37 AM              

Plssss don't cross any lines for this man-or any man. I have been there-I know. Its like drowning in a pool of dark water having your hands and feet chained. I KNOW. PlEASE hang in there. ANd PLEASE see a doctor. It might be the BEST thing you do. Get all your friends and family together-let them know how you feel. PLEASE don't do anything to hurt yourself. Not for him, not for anything. Time heals EVERYTHING-even things that dont seem like they CAN HEAL. Please post and let us know how you are feeling.