posted August 02, 2006 08:34 AM              

I dont know....there is a double standard in society no doubt, but i cant believe a man is straight if he would EVER be with a guy in any sexual way...

anyways-
What do you guys think?

Heres his chart for curious people:

Sun Cancer 12°30'06 07
Moon Scorpio 10°57'02 10
Mercury Leo 08°22'13 07
Venus Gemini 28°26'43 06
Mars Gemini 06°23'47 05
Jupiter Leo 11°36'29 08
Saturn Virgo 09°40'36 08
Uranus Scorpio 17°06'44 10
Neptune Sagittarius 18°29'03 12
Pluto Libra 16°26'24 09
True Node Virgo 10°16'32 08

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Capricorn 04°22'49
2nd House Aquarius 11°07'24
3rd House Pisces 20°03'11
Imum Coeli Aries 23°30'00
5th House Taurus 20°01'45
6th House Gemini 12°29'29
Descendant Cancer 04°22'49
8th House Leo 11°07'24
9th House Virgo 20°03'11
Medium Coeli Libra 23°30'00
11th House Scorpio 20°01'45
12th House Sagittarius 12°29'29

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted August 02, 2006 09:47 AM              

?????WHY should it horrify you??????You must have really shocked him with your reaction when he a Cancerian revealed a very personal thing to you! Not a good way to act towards a Cancerian! He felt he could trust you and you would understand.
Many folks in their pre teen and teen years experiment with the same sex. Ask virtually any psychiatrist....it is NORMAL!

Are you anti GLB etcetera?

posted August 02, 2006 10:14 AM              

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted August 02, 2006 10:28 AM              

First of all, when a boy, especially a cancer boy has the balls to tell you that he's experimented with other boys, despite being straight. Don't be shocked or appauled, think of how hard it probably was for him to get to terms with it, and especially since he's a cancer (the "mother" of all signs), with a moon in scorpio of all things (not the best place for my fair luna).

Secondly, who cares?

Sexual expression isnt really all about living in the illusionary boundaries of gay/bi/straight etc.

Many a people who are "straight" experiment with people of the same gender. Not because of any latent tendencies, or some bullshitty freudian theory. There can be many a reasons, sheer curiosity being one of them. Or perhaps they havent explored other kinds of sexual lifestyles, like omnisexuality or pansexuality for that matter.

Now in your friends case, his rising being that of capricorn (the sign of cold blooded lust and pimping) and Mars and Venus both being in Gemini (the sign of kinky guilty pleasures), this adding on to his Moon being in Scorpio (the sign of sex, what else?), it's possible that perhaps he has a deeper level of sexual expression than most others around him. Perhaps it's more about the act itself, rather than the set of genitals possessed by his partner/F*ck buddy.

So to sum it all up, being straight isnt really the end all of all same gender encounters. Just because someone has a "tryst" with someone of the same gender, doesnt make that person gay or bi. It just shows that the person is comfortable with their masculinity/femininity and isnt ashamed of being themselves.

Ok, I do apologize for the rant, but come on, grow up already. Dont get fooled with all these illusions and labels of sexuality.

posted August 02, 2006 10:56 AM              

>>>Sorry to have to inform you, BUT...
That is blatantly Anti GLB.

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I just cant date someone who would do this ...
>>>That sure sounds like it grossed you out.
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something about him telling it made him come off "unmanly" in a way....
>>>Oh Man! It took very MANLY nerve to tell you that! And as a Cancerian too! Like BIG WOW!
And You found that unmanly????
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I still like him but just uncomfortable with ever getting involved at this point...
>>>>Just because he wanked off with a dude once????
No...
He is not for you dear.
How old are you?
You sound like you need to look at why homosexuality or the thought of it is so revolting to you.
Your words are not at all gay accepting or friendly.

posted August 02, 2006 11:49 AM              

Fayte- I think youre very wrong about me, but thats okay, I seriously feel like you've made me feel different about this subject(in a good way) though you sort of disturbed me with your assumptions, thanks for your response.

Im not going to post on this any further, but I go once again thank you for the responses thus far.

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted August 02, 2006 01:03 PM            

Personally I don't know how I would have acted BUT I do know that if a man tells me that he has been interested in another man in whatever way I would be instantly turned off. I love gay men and I am not anti-gay at all, but I do not want to mix myself romantically with any man that feels that way and I have that right to feel that way and so does AND..

posted August 02, 2006 01:04 PM              

1. That is something that I would like to do again in the future
2. There is a possibility that the person will find out from someone else and I would rather give this info from the first source

posted August 02, 2006 01:44 PM              

WHY did this thread become and attack on what AND feels? AND's opinions? Who cares!?!? :rollseyes: The question asked was ... Can a guy experiment with his sexuality? and not be gay? .... stick with it people.

posted August 02, 2006 02:21 PM              

Ive always prefered more simply put-

"Now, if I where too suckle a 1,000c@ck$, but knew for sure I wasnt one bit physicaly atracted too a single Mans face or body- would that not leave me completly strait ?"

Sorry humans, but the saying "su@ked a co@$ once, and yer a co@%sucker for life" is almost the most pompous expresion Ive heard too date.

Perhaps some girls/Ladys prefer the sort of all too common man that cringes and runs outa the room when a homosexual walks in - if not just so she can go to her freinds and have something too complain and bash him over and over for being so erogent, homophobic, and close minded ?-- After all that kinda fear is "masculin" rite !? you know, sorta like a redneck tarzan !

hehehahahhaa, humanity does grow more and more commical with the passing of every age me thinks .

posted August 02, 2006 02:25 PM              

And the humour never dulls or stales too be my amusement.

As far as the questions answers, Ive always seen it as self explanatory... Sorta one of those you just answerd yer own question deals.

posted August 02, 2006 02:25 PM              

it wouldn't bother me. ...

posted August 02, 2006 02:49 PM              

Personally, I've always fancied men who are bi. It arouses me to see two men with each other. Perhaps that's one of the many reasons I saw Brokeback Mountain almost every week when it released. I have the dvd now..he he he

Anyway back to the subject. I dont understand why people think it's so "taboo" if two straight men experiment or "mess around"(for lack of a better term) with each other? I mean, men go all ga-ga over two women, or women telling about times they fantasized.

Oh well.. to each their own.

And honey, if you cant handle that he got some kock, then fine dont date him. But dont judge him and dont make him feel bad about it. He worked up a lot of guts to tell you, atleast give him that.

*Goes back to the vodka bottle she crawled out of*

posted August 02, 2006 03:40 PM              

How did the simple "yes" or "no" question turned into chastising the person who is usually here for many of us with advice, helpful information, shoulder to cry on or FREE interpretation? AND certainly is very open minded in many different instances. There was no slightest hint of bias in the original question and if some people found themselves disturbed enough to write lenghty responces ( which have little to do with the question BTW ) may be they have a problem with the subject on some level.

posted August 02, 2006 03:57 PM            

I feel they can. If women can do it, why can't men?

I'm not a fan of double standards and I feel if everyone can has a sexual nature as human beings, then it's their personal choice if they want to experiment or not.

The way I see it, why not get a "different" perspective once and a while? It may liven things up

Mars in Aqua talking here of course :-P

posted August 02, 2006 04:00 PM            

And,

Don't worry. This is the internet and people will interpret words however they please, and you can't do anything about it. However, I UNDERSTAND where your coming from and what you mean. Just because you'd prefer a man who didn't fool around with other men doesn't make you anti-gay or anti-anything. Once again, it's your personal preference. And I've been in your place with this before, so I relate to you

Society/Media has put such pressure on us to fit gender roles that it comes down to if a man isn't what's advertised as a "masculine", then he must be gay. Sometimes, you meet people who really dont give a sh*t and do their own thing...thats when you have to ask yourself, is he odd? Or is society and the media just dumb as hell by trying to fit everyone into little boxes when there are over 6 billion people to "label"?

Thank you for asking this question, because honestly, it's one of the few I haven't heard brought up over and over again on LL. It made me think, and I'm a thinker :-P

Back to your question... the Venus/Mars in Gemini stood out to me. I heard that placement can be key for sexual experimentation...

posted August 02, 2006 04:49 PM              

>>>That is EXACTLY one of the points I was attempting to make.
And it sounded to me, that it was exactly that attitude she had, even though she questioned, she had already said she felt it impossible, so why even bother asking if one's mind was already made up?

I did not write what "and" wrote.
So there are no semantics to be discussed that I see. Words such as the following can not be taken any other way except at face value.
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I was sort of horrified about the whole thing...I HONESTLY wished he NEVER told me...
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i cant believe a man is straight if he would EVER be with a guy in any sexual way...

>>>>Seems like some pretty cut and dried opinions to me. Argue all you guys want.
Nothing I say will matter to anyone who is horrified by the gay or possibly gay issue.
Nor will my words have any bearing on one(s) who are already convinced that the fellow is gay or tainted goods. And even if he is gay...he is NOT LESS a man as implied!
Rant over.

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person who is usually here for many of us with advice, helpful information, shoulder to cry on or FREE interpretation? AND certainly is very open minded in many different instances.

>>>And for that I salute And!
But that is like comparing oranges to apples here. Two different issues. Her freely given good deeds, and this matter. The two have no bearing on each other.