posted August 10, 2006 02:57 PM            

can I get your opinion on something
in regards to relationship astrology
by Liz greene
she has basic relationship relationship which I paid 50 dollars for.
the report has relationship pattern for a man based on only the father figure..and saturn is used for that.
it has basic relationship pattern for a woman based on only the mother figure ...and moon is used for that

I think that method for relationship pattern is sexist and is not accurate...definitely not complete.

Whatever happened for using man's moon and venus for anima stuff as well as 7th house stuff?
woman's sun and mars as well as 7th house stuff?
what about venus and the descendant?
she only uses saturn for basic relationship pattern for male
only moon for basic relationship pattern for female
she doesn't talk about individual venus and mars placements

my mother influenced me in relationships
my saturn in gemini
had me looking superficial in relationships
I am not superficial,restless,noncommitting
it has me looking like a noncommitting type who wants to have nothing but fun. that's not me
while my gal's moon in scorpio made her very deep,committed,jealous,and possessive in relationships

I think that's ridiculous
saturn in gemini doesn't describe how I am in relationships and what I want in relationships

a lot of astrologers use Sun as the father....saturn is not even a personal planet

my Sun in Scorpio describes my father well...according to what my mother told me...I never knew my father...he was the biggest mystery of all to me.

I was raised by my drill sargeant like stepfather. Both my mother and stepfather stressed security,stability,and values.

I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces and Virgo Ascendant

I don't even fit the typical male stereotype even though I am a heterosexual male.

posted August 10, 2006 09:29 PM            

I did read the sample before. I had no idea that she uses saturn to determine a man's basic relationship pattern style and the moon as woman's basic relationship pattern style.

posted August 11, 2006 12:44 PM            

Like I said before, I have a very femini

As you see my relationship pattern is a very complexed. I am not some superficial Mercurial type who is unable to settle down,restless,noncommitting,and wants to only have fun and explore and escape from traditional family life. That's not me

The report said about me being special.....yeah.....that's true..but not in how the report states...My parents referred to me as special in 1st grade. I was in special education for 3 yrs. I had special needs with my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. Being special is true because I am neurodivergent type,and not a neurotypical type. Because of that, I have always been a late bloomer and was always "younger" than people in my way. I look younger,and I sound much younger. My father was the same way. According to my mother,he had speech problems and needed things repeated to him like me. She told me that he was a very shy,gentle,softspoken man. I even overheard her telling a friend that my father was awkward with his hands like I was. My mother teased him and called him "retard" for that. He was highly emotional,sensitive too(Moon in Pisce like me,stationary retrograde Neptune),and many neurodivergent types are highly emotional,sensitive and seem "immature" to neurotypical types,and that definitely goes for me. My father was almost 31 and my mother was 17 when I was born. He was very insecure man who had a serious paranoid jealous problem. He went back to using drugs after my mom left him. They got back together,and he got her using. She kicked him out. By the time I was 1 years old,he was never heard from again. It was a brief codependent relationship. There is more to it though. It's complicated..mainly a black man(born in 1941) from Louisiana who came to California to live with his uncle when he was 19,and he ended up selling drugs for his uncle and he got caught and went to jail. The prison psychiatrists diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic(keep in mind...there was a lot of misdiagnosing blacks as schizophrenics and I myself was diagnosed as having schizoaffective bipolar disorder). My mom told me that he didn't believe that he was schizophrenic. I feel that a lot of neurodivergent types get misdiagnosed as having psychiatric disorders like bipolar and schizophrenia. Just imagine a highly emotional,sensitive black man with speech problems and auditory processing problems as well as awkwardness,and you can imagine how he could get labeled. The same with me too.

I have been determined not to let my life be like my father. I want to be in a lifelong relationship and have my own family and be there for them for the rest of my entire life contrary to what Liz Greene's report basic relationship pattern says about me.

posted August 13, 2006 04:16 PM              

I've asked this question of you before, and received no reply. Do you have an Internet link to all your stuff?

I'd love to see a well-laid out program for doing a good "Relationship Horoscope" based on the information you feel should be included, and which is important to you.

I'm impressed with how well you were able to go in and detect where she was coming from. A great feat in itself. But I cannot help but want to know, if you had free reign of a computer program-based format, which astrological variables would you choose, and how would you qualify each variable for this particular purpose.

This is not a pie-in-face challenge, mind you ...

posted August 14, 2006 01:51 PM            

Here is my Relationship Potential Report from Psyche and Eros

The Psyche and Eros Relationship Potential Report

The Psyche and Eros Relationship Potential Report is comprised of the first two sections
of the complete Psyche and Eros Relationship Analysis. This abbreviated version of the
complete report describes the emotional needs, temperament, hang-ups and issues each
person brings to the relationship. For an analysis of the compatibility of these individuals,
see the last two sections of the complete Psyche and Eros Relationship Analysis. This can
also be accessed separately as the Psyche and Eros Compatibility Analysis.

Pisces on 7th house cusp

You are a perfectionist. No one sets higher standards for you than you do for yourself.
While you appear quiet and reserved, you are extremely romantic and sexual. Your highest
ideals center around relationships. When you are disappointed, you inwardly withdraw.

The people you connect with are one of two types. Either they are romantic, sensitive
and emotionally expressive or they have been hurt by life in some way and arouse your
compassion. Your unions are either blissfully intimate or emotionally isolating.

You wish you didn't worry so much about the mundane and practical details of life and
are in genuine awe of dreamers and romantics who manage to get through life without such
concerns - thanks to people like you who manage those tiresome details for them.

You are drawn to people who seem sensitive and ethereal. Ideally, they are also
emotional and sensitive. Sometimes, however, they are kind but emotionally reclusive,
leaving you to seek alternate relationships. Love, for you, has an element of sacrifice.

Neptune, Ruler of 7th house, is in 3rd:

You are sensitive and imaginative with strong intuition and a real gift for tuning into other
people's psyches. In your own professional life, this is obviously helpful in any creative
endeavor or anything that involves working closely with others. In your personal life, you
initially connect with others through a meeting of the minds. You are attracted to
complicated types who tend toward the subtle, the spiritual and the creative. While they
may be poetic and fascinating, they don't always manage their lives very well. Your
organized analytical nature provides a nice balance and you can comfortably handle all the
details those close to you might neglect or forget. You don't mind this really since it gives
you a measure of control you rather enjoy. For you, the important things lie in the details
and, since you tend to be quite specific about how things should be done, you don't minds
being the organizer. However, if your partner went too far in the direction of non-reality or
escapism the lines of communication so important in establishing and sustaining your
relationship would dissolve and you would drift apart. Otherwise, your originality and
capacity to make things happen create a splendid foil for your partner's vision and
imagination. You can not only dream dreams together, you can realize them.

Jupiter Opposition MC with an orb between 1 and 3 degrees

When you were little, your teachers liked you and when you grew up, your employers
liked you. You tend to approach all relationships both personal and professional with an
easy assurance. It is important to you that close ties enjoy society's approval.

Moon Square Saturn with an orb between 1 and 3 degrees

You don't have as much self-confidence as you appear to have. You long for love and
affection but have never felt, since childhood, that you could have it, simply by being. You
feel you have to earn it in some way. You like close ties to need and depend on you.

Moon Square Neptune with an orb between 1 and 3 degrees

Your mother was either over-idealized or rejected as a feminine role model. You did not
get a clear sense of who you were as a child and, as a result, may set impossibly high
standards for yourself. You tend to be a loner.

Sun Trine Moon with an orb between 1 and 3 degrees

Whether or not your parents themselves had a successful marriage, you came away with
a clear sense of the masculine and feminine and how they integrate. You are comfortable
with the opposite sex and have no problem forming healthy, enduring relationships.

Mercury Conjunct Venus with an orb between 3 and 5 degrees

Intelligence is sexy to you. If a person you find physically attractive isn't also bright,
verbal and someone you can talk to, you're not interested. You have a highly developed
aesthetic sense and are drawn to people of taste, wit and charm.

Venus Square Mars with an orb between 3 and 5 degrees

Yours was not a happy childhood and, while there is nothing you want more than a close
love relationship, you may also fear it. You probably have an active sex life but may have
some discomfort acknowledging feelings of love, dependence or vulnerability.

Uranus Trine MC with an orb between 3 and 5 degrees

It's never been possible for you to live according to anyone else's timetable. For that
reason, you prefer to work for yourself and make your own rules. In order for you to
sustain a close, personal tie, you must find someone as independent as you are.

Mercury Sextile Asc. with an orb between 1 and 5 degrees

You are extremely verbal and communicative and have no difficulty in making your
thoughts and ideas clearly understood. At times, however, you may become a bit glib and
use your "gift of gab" as a means of protecting yourself from emotional vulnerability.

Moon Conjunct Mars with an orb between 5 and 8 degrees

Your love-hate relationship with your mother has led to an emotional ambivalence in
current close ties. You are, at once, very needy and very angry about your neediness. This
may make you somewhat cantankerous at times. You are very quick-tempered.

Saturn Conjunct MC with an orb between 5 and 8 degrees

You learned at an early age to be cautious with people in a position of authority. This
reserve may also extend to personal relationships with those you may admire or respect.
Old parenting issues inevitably infiltrate all of your close relationships.

Moon Square Jupiter with an orb between 5 and 8 degrees

You tend to dramatize your emotional state. When things are going pretty well, you're in
ecstasy-and when things are not all they might be, it's the worst despair that ever struck
mankind. People may find you a bit self-absorbed or inflated at times.

Mercury Square Mars with an orb between 5 and 8 degrees

Since you tend to be rather irritable and sharp-tongued at times you require a partner
with a sense of humor who is not too thin-skinned. You are bright, curious and restless and
enjoy the company of those who are equally high-spirited and enterprising.

Jupiter Square Asc. with an orb between 5 and 8 degrees

There is a quality about you people tend to trust. They confide in you and generally feel
better in your presence which has a kind of healing quality. Sometimes you tend to draw
close relationships who originally came to see you for some sort of help or guidance.

Sun does not aspect Asc.

People do not receive an accurate first impression of you. Owing to shyness or lack of
confidence, you have cultivated a persona which is not expressive of the person you
experience yourself to be. This creates complications in personal relationships.

Moon does not aspect Mercury

It's as if the emotional and rational sides of your nature take turns expressing themselves.
You are either utterly detached and objective about a situation or so emotionally involved
you have no perspective. You are not in touch with your feelings.

posted August 14, 2006 02:14 PM            

I feel that the relationship profile is more complexed than just basing it on just Saturn for man and Moon for woman.

I would take the placements and aspects of Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant axis,Midheaven/IC axis,Venus,Mars,7th house ruler, and their aspects and placements into account. You can pretty much take the whole chart into account though.

Also...I am into cosmobiology as well and so I am into looking at midpoints involving the Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant axis,Midheaven/IC axis,Venus,and Mars.

I feel that many western astrologers overlook the Midheaven in synastry too much. The thing is that the opposite angle of the Midheaven is the IC. IC is the 4th house cusp ruled by the Moon,and that does relate to unconscious,roots,domestic environment,and emotional life. Midheaven/IC is also the parental axis too.

According to Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology,

Midheaven : PSY: The individual's personal awareness or consciousness.
MANIFESTATIONS : The spirit. The psyche. Consciousness. The Ego. That which is "me" or "mine". The individual. Inner character. Inner nature. Life goals or aspirations. The conscious mind. The moment. The minute. The character of a city [in locational astrology].

THE ASTROLOGY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS By Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker is a book that includes Midheaven/IC axis synastry aspects

I never leave out Midheaven/IC axis aspects. personal planet conjunctions/oppositions to that axis can be powerful connections.

my gal's Stationary Jupiter conjunct my IC with only 19 minutes of arc. Her stationary Neptune parallels my IC with 4 minutes of arc. The declination longitude charts: Her Stationary Neptune conjuncts my IC with 30 minutes of arc in the declination longitude equivalent chart.

posted August 14, 2006 02:23 PM            

I do believe that they have some significance like any heavenly body in Astrology.

There is so much to look at in synastry
with just the traditional stuff along with midpoints and the declinations.
You can even use declination midpoint configurations. They are used in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology. Reinhold Ebertin used declinations including midpoint configurations.

I don't agree with using 1 degree orb for a declination midpoint because regular declinations use one degree. We often use 5 degrees or more for a regular longitude aspect,and use 1 degree orb for a longitude midpoint configuration. It makes sense to use an orb much smaller than 1 degree. I use only 10 minutes of arc for declination midpoint configurations.

The narrower the orb,the more powerful the aspect.

posted August 14, 2006 03:06 PM              

On the Moon Saturn thing......I know three guys who have these two planets in opposition...

They all have big women issues...

One is my father who is 80 and still hates his mother and says he will never forgive her...

So I think threre is something in the Moon Saturn thing.

posted August 14, 2006 03:09 PM            

I am talking about Saturn as used as father figure and the basic relationship pattern in men
and Moon as used as mother figure and the basic relationship in women.

That's what I was talking about.

Moon in hard aspect does indicate possible women issues too including especially with the mother. Planets in challenging aspect to Moon indicates that stuff.

Planets in challenging aspect to Sun indicates possible men issues too including especially with the father.

posted August 14, 2006 03:47 PM              

i have kepler software and have recently begun researching a good relationship report to purchase. your feedback has been helpful. i am going to see if kepler will send me a report of myself and my relationship to compare to see the difference prior to buying it. what other extra reports do you have on kepler? i'd love more suggestions!

thanks

~h

posted August 14, 2006 04:19 PM            

You are right! You got it! :-)

It's mainly a psychic emotional sponge with a high degree of imagination,idealism and they have to avoid being caught up in confusion,deception,illusion,addictions. They have to make sure that they watch their boundaries. They have to make sure that they see themselves and others clearly. They have to keep themselves from being caught up in fantasies but keep their feet on the ground.

Moon has to do with women..especially the mother. So there can be those aforementioned issues with them.

posted August 14, 2006 04:30 PM              

I feel many of those things you mention, but I have Sun conj Neptune in Scorp and Moon opp Neptune by sign but not degrees....does that give a similar "feel".

posted August 14, 2006 04:37 PM            

I have Moon in Pisces
My moon aspects its dispositor,Neptune
That's a Moon-Neptune double whammy.

posted August 15, 2006 11:22 AM              

always thought it would be cool to meet a scorpio (which i LOVE) with a pisces moon! i have dated quite a few scorpios with cancer moons

did you see my question about kepler software above? i am curious about what you think of other reports...

~h

posted August 15, 2006 11:30 AM              

I'm a female, and the Moon aspects are a tough pill to swallow. My mum has the Moon in Pisces like me, but we aren't close. I understand her sensitivity and escapist tendencies, but I'm not sure she understands all my Fire. She is heavy Scorpio energy, I am Sadge heavy.

posted August 15, 2006 06:59 PM            

The report programs that I purchased for Kepler are: