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neptune5
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posted August 17, 2006 11:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is in your 5th & 7th Houses? Those will colour who exactly you could have as a life partner, and those who have already found your life partner, do you feel the pull of those houses on your relationships you have with your mate and your children. Well I don't have one yet, but i'll give you my house positions to see what your prediction is for me.


7th House Pisces Cusp

5th House Capricorn Cusp
Neptune in the 5th House
Saturn in the 5th House
True Node in the 5th House
All points in Capricorn

I know i'm going to get someone a lot older than me by Saturn's double position. But does it have any signifigance with the ruler of the 7th house (Neptune) in the 5th house?

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Virgo Rising, Sagittarius Sun, Pisces Moon

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BlueEyes24
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posted August 17, 2006 11:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Gemini on 7th house cusp, and Aries on 5th house cusp... but no planets in either of those houses!

The majority of my planets fall in the 11th, 9th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd house.

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Dulce Luna
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posted August 17, 2006 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Taurus on the 5th house cusp with both venus and jupiter in the 5th. I have cancer on the 7th house cusp with my sun there conjuncting the descendant. What does it mean?

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neptune5
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posted August 17, 2006 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus
With Taurus on the cusp of the fifth house there is an emphasis on love and beauty, harmony and getting along. So you are romantically inclined, and physical affection is important to you. You have a very loving nature toward your offspring, but the fixed nature of Taurus suggests very strong and fixed views regarding their behavior and the proper upbringing. You have a tendency to adore your offspring, dote on them, and sometimes you may spoil them. Often, the offspring of this sign are artistic, talented, and have social graces. The Taurus influence also suggests personal artistic talents, and you may have a natural artistic ability leading to self-expression in some form of the arts. Self-expression in any form, romantic involvement, or children, serve to mitigate the pressures and possible hardships of your youth.

Cancer
The influence of Cancer in the seventh house suggests an emotional attachment to the marital partner. If this is untrue, then you may attract a partner that is very emotionally dependent upon you. The Moon rules Cancer and this seventh house of the marriage partner. The Moon denotes sensitivity, feelings, emotions, vulnerability, and nurturing instincts. But it also can reflect changes of feelings, extremes of sensitivity, and moodiness. Thus, you are apt to be attracted to someone who is moody, changeable, or the relationship may be an especially sensitive, nurturing one, and one full of changing phases. You crave to be mothered or cared for in an emotional sense, by your mate. Marriage may fill deep emotional needs for both of you. You are very loyal and dedicated, and while there may be many fluctuations in the marriage, as time passes, the bonds of the union tend to strengthen.

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Virgo Rising, Sagittarius Sun, Pisces Moon

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Stargazer
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posted August 17, 2006 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 7th house is huge.....

Cancer on the cusp.... Both my marriages have been to Cancers....
All of what was written about Cancer on the Cusp rings very true for me.

My 7th is complicated though...Spans into Leo with Jupiter, Ceres and pallas and ends up in the early degrees of Virgo where my stellium of Sun, Merc, and Venus reside.

My world is like a soap opera....lol

Gemini is on the cusp of my 5th house. No planets. I do have 2 wonderful children... and as a side note; could not carry twins to term...

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"The only limits are those of vision"

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
7th House Scorpio Cusp
5th House Libra Cusp

5th House - Sun; Mercury; Venus; Uranus; Lilith
I think I've found the love of my life (Scorpio), but unfortunately he doesn't seem to agree
But generally very attracted to Scorpions

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found this Neptune - don't know if it offers any insight to you -
Fifth House
Neptune, in the fifth house, imposes an influence on romances, the ability to be creative, and upon offspring. This placement shows an intuitive gift for role playing. Perhaps you have a talent for acting, or at least a strong love of theater, the movies, or about any kind of fantasy make-believe or image-making. In romantic relationships you are the true romantic, and experiences can be somewhat chaotic and confusing. Offspring are likely to be intuitive and highly sensitive, often requiring special handling and understanding. There is little pay back or appreciation received for your efforts and understanding in this regard.

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neptune5
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posted August 17, 2006 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes thats very acurate, cat. And um, i'm mostly attracted to men that are much older than me, due to 5th house capricorn cusp with a saturn in the 5th house (plus true node), but I seem to be dreamy and sensitive to them, due to 7th house cusp pisces and neptune in the 5th house. Thanks for the excerpt.

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 01:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No prob Neptune
I'm wondering if my Stellium in the 5th is one of the reasons I've been in relationships but lack of 7th house planets (only Jupiter and Neptune) is indicative of no marriage - yet *she says hopefully* !
But lucky planet Jupiter in 7th might suggest when I do 'eventually' get married it'll be GREAT!

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shirty
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posted August 17, 2006 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread! I'm curious to see what you will have to say about my placements:

- My 5th house is in Sag
- Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune in 5th house.

- My 7th house is in Aquarius
- No planets in my 7th house.

cheers!

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 02:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shirty - Love the name
Found this for you -

The Aquarius influence in the seventh house suggests a drive for independence in relationships. It often shows a degree of trouble on this account. You are inclined to pick a partner who, like yourself, is highly individualistic and independent. You attempt, nonetheless, to keep a tight rein on your mate, though you may insist on maintaining much of your personal freedom. You're the sort who wants to have your way, to do what you want, when you want. This attitude doesn't lend itself very much to marriage unless you can find a spontaneous person who can adapt to your style. A mutual understanding must be reached. Partners will be friends, and the most fruitful relationships for you are likely to be those that remain detached, and those in which the two of you are not so demanding upon one another.

And Neptune -

Pisces
The Pisces influence on this house shows the difficulty that can be experienced in partnership and marital relations. Relating with others is not easy for you. It's necessary for you to find a sympathetic mate who will soothe your frayed nerves and commiserate with you about your problems. When you do, you are willing to make sacrifices to benefit the union. Often, the Pisces influence on the house of relationships inclines toward a partnership with a person having opposite traits. Rather than a practical, common sense person like yourself, you may choose someone very intuitive and visionary. Thus, in any partnership arrangement, you are the one to provide the organizing influence. Your partner helps you expand your horizons to new fields. Sometimes, this sign suggests the single life-style. You may have an innate fear of relationships before the fact; a fearing of letdown, and that you could never find anyone to live up to your ideal.


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Almost An Angel
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posted August 17, 2006 02:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer rules the cusp of my 6th and 7th house. Nothing is in either house. My Moon in Gemini is in its own house the 4th, and the only aspect it makes is an opposition to my Sag. Saturn in the 10th. Gemini is on the cusp of my 5th, and my Venus and Chiron (both in Gemini) are in conjunction there. Jupiter in Pis. in the 2nd in my chart, is the focus of a T-Square to my Venus to my Uranus in Sag. in the 11th... which I could never quite interpret.

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Gem-Sag
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posted August 17, 2006 03:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I've got
5th house cusp = Libra, pluto in libra and mars, saturn conjunction in scorpio,
7th house cusp with Jupiter on the decendant

So far I have attracted A.) Older individuals that I don't want or B.) Young individuals that do not stay around for long but I wish that they would lol

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AcousticGod
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posted August 17, 2006 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got:

Virgo on the 5th House cusp
House is divided between Virgo & Libra
Moon conjunct Pluto in the 5th

Sag on the 7th House cusp
7th House is completely contained within Sag
Merc, Venus, and Neptune in the 7th
Merc conjunct Venus
Venus conjunct Neptune

Venus and Neptune form sextiles with their 5th House partners:

Moon Sextile Neptune
Venus Sextile Pluto

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jani_jean
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posted August 17, 2006 07:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 5th is in Virgo
- Moon, in 5th house.

- My 7th house is in Scorpio
-Pluto in my seventh house

Dear neptune very eager to know what ou wud say with these placements of mine.
in case i ve msised any info do plz post

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 07:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AAA - Cancer in the 7th:
The influence of Cancer in the seventh house suggests an emotional attachment to the marital partner. If this is untrue, then you may attract a partner that is very emotionally dependent upon you. The Moon rules Cancer and this seventh house of the marriage partner. The Moon denotes sensitivity, feelings, emotions, vulnerability, and nurturing instincts. But it also can reflect changes of feelings, extremes of sensitivity, and moodiness. Thus, you are apt to be attracted to someone who is moody, changeable, or the relationship may be an especially sensitive, nurturing one, and one full of changing phases. You crave to be mothered or cared for in an emotional sense, by your mate. Marriage may fill deep emotional needs for both of you. You are very loyal and dedicated, and while there may be many fluctuations in the marriage, as time passes, the bonds of the union tend to strengthen.

GS - Libra in 5th:
The influence of Libra in the fifth house denotes the need for association with others to be creative. You don't want to feel responsible for others, but you need their support and encouragement in many respects. Usually those you choose are highly refined and together. You balance your work engaging in intellectual discussions, parties, and sports with these individuals. This placement provides a very artistic temperament and suggests naturally creative abilities. Romantically you are charming, but very inconsistent and fickle. You are lucky at love, as you are with all creative endeavors. Libra is naturally suited to the raising of children, although you are somewhat prone to spoiling them. You have many child-like qualities in your makeup.
What sign do you have on 7th cusp?
AG - Virgo 5th:
The influence of Virgo in the fifth house shows a critical nature in romantic situations. You enjoy affections, but find it hard to commit yourself completely. More than anything, you need mental companionship; someone to discuss the pros and cons of a variety of subjects. You exercise the utmost discrimination in selecting the object of your affections, and you become impatient with the ritual of courtship. Relationships with offspring can be strained as you lack the patience for properly disciplining them and understanding their needs. Virgo can be creative, but its necessary to spend much time in preparation and planning before starting. Even when you are just going out to have a good time, you make sure that all the details of the evening are well planned and carefully thought through. Spontaneity is not your way.
Sag 7th:
The Sagittarius influence in the seventh house suggests a reluctance to be hemmed in by marriage or other formal partnership entrapments. This hesitancy to be tied down is a result of concern for growth. When you do marry it's likely to be somewhat later than most. You'll require a good deal of freedom and flexibility. Fortunately, you'll often attract a mate who also shares this need for liberty. Marriage does usually come because of your need for companionship, more than a need for sex and mothering, or security. With Jupiter ruling the marriage house, this becomes another area of the chart that is blessed with good fortune. There is a freedom seeking quality to your quest from marriage. You are attracted to a partner that is very independent and free-wheeling.

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...to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever...

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 07:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JJ - Virgo 5th:
The influence of Virgo in the fifth house shows a critical nature in romantic situations. You enjoy affections, but find it hard to commit yourself completely. More than anything, you need mental companionship; someone to discuss the pros and cons of a variety of subjects. You exercise the utmost discrimination in selecting the object of your affections, and you become impatient with the ritual of courtship. Relationships with offspring can be strained as you lack the patience for properly disciplining them and understanding their needs. Virgo can be creative, but its necessary to spend much time in preparation and planning before starting. Even when you are just going out to have a good time, you make sure that all the details of the evening are well planned and carefully thought through. Spontaneity is not your way.
Scorpio 7th:
The influence of Scorpio in the seventh house suggests much energy devoted to social relationships, especially the marriage. There is almost a compulsion for partnership of some kind, whether in business or personal life. You are likely to be attracted to partners possessing creative expression and the power to get things done. Marital relations may be marked with possessiveness and periodic battles of will. You consider success in partnership a personal challenge. There is much compulsiveness and force associated with marriage and partnerships, and your mate may be inwardly powerful and dynamic.

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...to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever...

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The Virgin
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posted August 17, 2006 08:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5th house cusp is Aquarius
7th house Aries

5th no planets
7th Saturn

12th Uranus/Virgo conjunct Pluto
10th house Mars/Leo trine Saturn square Neptune/Scorpio 2nd

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Wednesday
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posted August 17, 2006 08:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5th House in the cusp of Cancer and also shared with Leo (in fact it takes almost all of the house... does that mean Leo is more influential than Cancer?)

Part of Fortune and Xenia are in it.

7th House in the cusp of Virgo and shared with Libra... same case with the 5th House (and all the houses in my chart).

Libra Venus and Virgo Mars are in it.

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Divine Goddess
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posted August 17, 2006 09:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taken from an old post of mine.

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The question as to whether marriage will take place or not in any given case depends for its answer upon several factors, the balancing of which is not always an easy task.
It is made slightly easier than it might otherwise be by the fact that, in normal cases, there is a bias in favor of marriage, so that stronger influences are needed to prevent it than to bring it about.

The problem is not quite the same in the case of women as it is in that of men, although astrological authors have never differentiated between them, except in regard to the signifactors to be used.

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Let us first take a look at the Male birthchart:-

The chief signifactors to be studied in the case of men are the Moon, Venus, and the seventh house. The problem consists in determining whether these factors are sufficiently weak or afflicted either to prevent marriage taking place, or to remove the desire for it.

Before examining these significators it is always advisable to get a general idea of the nature of the person with whom one is dealing. In other words, study the character indicated in the horoscope.

For the study of marriage and fertility, the divisions of the signs of the zodiac into barren and fruitful groups is of importance.

According to ancient astrologers, the Barren signs are Gemini, Leo, and Virgo. The fruitful ones are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.

On the whole these signs may be considered as without marked influence upon fertility, but for the sake of those who could appreciate some guidance, even of a tentative nature, the following classification is suggested:-

a) Barren:- Gemini, Leo, Virgo
b) Semi-Barren:- Aries, Sagittarius, Capricorn
c) Semi-Fruitful:- Taurus, Libra, Aquarius
d) Fruitful:- Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces.


In order to judge whether marriage will take place, it is necessary to study the sign and house positions of the marriage signifactors and the nature of the seventh and certain other houses. The whole matter turns upon the strength and amount of affliction received by these.

It is best to start by examining the Moon and Venus, and noting the signs and houses they occupy.

They are most favorably disposed to marriage when in the fruitful signs, least favorably in the barren signs.

In regard to house position, the angular houses are the strongest, the succedent ones come next. But, from the point of view of marriage, the more elevated the position occupied by Venus and Moon, the better.

Perhaps the best houses for them are the 10th, 11th, and 1st. The 4th, 5th, and 7th are also good, but, in the case of the last two, much depends upon the fruitfulness of the sign and the nature of the aspects received.

These houses being primarily concerned with love and marriage are particularly sensitive. Barren signs and afflictions are worse here than elsewhere.

The most unfavorable houses for the Moon and Venus are the 12th, 6th, and 8th, all of which tend to hinder marriage.

The aspects to the Moon and Venus are the next factors to be considered. The worst possible afflictions are those from Saturn and Uranus, particularly if barren signs are involved.

Afflictions from Mars are not by any means so serious. They may stir up the passionate side of the nature far too much, and create matrimonial quarrels, but they alone will not prevent marriage.

In a general way, any influence that tends to increase isolation affords the greatest threat to a marriage, while influences of a gregarious nature tend to bring it about most easily.

The 12th, 6th, and 8th houses are all of an isolating nature.

The 12th acts as a prison to the planets occupying it, the 6th holds them in servitude, and the 8th kills them so to speak.

On the other hand, houses such as the 10th, 11th, 5th, and 7th are intimately concerned with the affairs of other people, and encourage contact with others instead of preventing it.

Again, from the point of view of the aspecting planets, Saturn is limiting and isolating in its effect, while Uranus is even more so, though in a rather different way (Home Work to you all, Think about how does Uranus act this way differently than Saturn).

Mars, on the other hand, does not isolate. If afflicted it will at least go out and quarrel with someone and not shut itself up in the manner of Saturn.

For an early marriage it is rather an advantage than otherwise to have no apsects between the signifactors and Saturn and Uranus, though good aspects may be very useful in married life.

An aspect from Mars to Venus, however, is always desirable, and tends to hasten marriage. (Home work for you all, why?)

Having decided whether the signifactors tend to favor marriage or not, look over the rest of the chart, and pay special attention to the ascendant and seventh house.

Barren signs here act against marriage, fruitful signs favor it, as do good aspects between the rulers of the rising and descending sign, and good aspects from Jupiter and Mars to these planets and the signifactors.

There is no decisive factor in the matter. The final conclusion as to whether marriage will take place or not must be arrived at by balancing up the pros and cons, not merely numerically, but with an eye to the importance and strength of each indication.


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Let us now take the case of a Female Birthchart:-


In the case of a woman, the aspectscan more easily suppress the marriage, but all sexual experiences, can more easily suppress the normal desire for marriage than in the case of a man. (Sigh, chauvinistic isn't it.)


In a man's chart, particular attention should be paid to any positions denoting a solitary life, such as strong 12th house afflictions, and unaspected ruler, or 7th house ruler ruler, a dominant Saturn or Uranus, and a marked absense of fruitful signs.

If such tendencies are not paramount, the afflictions in the chart will not deny sexual experience (because men are pigs) and irregular unions (figure it out yourself), though they may prevent legal marriage. This is especially the case if Jupiter joins in the afflictions.

In a woman's chart the normal desire for marriage may be destroyed by strong influences tending to cause idealism, such as are given by Libra; intense love fo freedeom, as given by Sagittarius or Aries; or an innate virginity, due usually to Virgo (sometimes Aquarius)

In cases of this kind, afflictions to the marriage signifactors will entirely prevent both marriage and sex experiences.

If the character is a more normal one, afflictions will prevent marriage if barrenness predominates, but should the afflictions involve fruitful signs they may, while preventing legal marriage, lead to an irregular union (figure it out)m or even to prostitution (or being plain sl*tty) if sufficiently strong.

Apart from considerations of this kind, the methods to be adopted in examining the marriage prospects in a woman's chart are the same as in the case of the man.

The planetary signifactors differ, for the Sun and Mars must be consulted for a woman instead of Moon and Venus.

It is necessary to study the Sun and Mars in exactly the same way and by the same rulers as the Moon and Venus are studied in a Man's chart.

If the Sun and moon are strong and elevated in fruitful signs in aspect with, and not afflicted by Saturn and Uranus, marriage will take place.

Marriage will be hindered or entirely prevented if the Sun and Mars are in no aspect to each other, and are situated in barren signs ot weak houses, and afflicted by Saturn or Uranus from a barren sign. The value of the houses is the same as they are in a Man's horoscope.

These indications are respectively the best and worst that maybe found. Most charts will show a mixture of good and bad, so that an attempt must be made to balance the conflicting indications, and find out which set preponderates.

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Hope all this helps, if any doubts or queries, or any thing you wish to ask or counter. Feel free to do so.

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The opposite of love isn't hate. It's indifference. And if you hate me, that means you still care and we're still connected.

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