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neptune5
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posted August 17, 2006 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, let's calculate how the conditions at our death may be?...

Quick Death Calculation:
8th House Cusp + Any planets/bodies in the 8th house

VERY Important: Which house is the ruler of your 8th house cusp lying in, and what sign is it in and what is the primary aspect??

Here's mine for an example:
Aries (8th house cusp) + Isis (asteroid)

My Mars is in my 10th House with conjunct midheaven...

Does that mean my death will have something to do with my career or media/publicity or something around that arena?


Creative Insights...(don't forget to give me your "death" calculations)

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cat71
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posted August 17, 2006 07:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooh spooky Neptune - don't know if I want to look at this one. Even my natural curiosity is not persuading me

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posted August 17, 2006 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 8th house cusp is Gemini and Mercury is in my 8th house and rx. I have the Sun, Verte and vesta there as well. (all of them in Cancer)

I am curious how i will go, I was actually told year's ago, that my smoking would due me in actually. I'd pass in my 40's. It was a psychic my family has known for years, she wasn't saying definitely, but if I didn't stop I'd cause my own death. Stupid part is I still haven't stopped. except for short periods of time. (Yeah I know I'm a moron!)

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Gem-Sag
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posted August 17, 2006 07:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.k. here we go

8th house cusp Capricorn, no planets but Psyche

Saturn in Scorpio in 5th house, conjunction Mars and Cupido and is also part of a yod(so inconjunct mercury in the 12th house and sextile Jupiter in Capricorn on 7th cusp)

So...maybe something to do with a child or lover..maybe they do more than slash the tires? Maybe something to do with a sport as well, maybe I get hit in the head with a golf ball
Care not to think about it too much more, this area in my chart is kinda busy

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Divine Goddess
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posted August 17, 2006 08:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's not how you see one's death silly.

To calculate one's death requires numerous factors. And astrologers everywhere, professional and amateur, refuse to predict death, because in case they are wrong, the impact can have an extremely negative effect on the client.

Read the fifth chapter of Star Signs about the example Linda gives about the famous astrologer/numerologist/palmist Cheiro.

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However, for the sake of knowledge, i shall note the traditional way death is predicted by astrologers.


WARNING:- DO NOT, I Repeat, DO NOT TRY THIS ON YOUR OWN CHART. PLEASE PRACTICE THESE RULES ON FAMOUS DEAD CELEBS (MARYLIN MONROE, JFK, ELVIS PRESLEY, etc) OR PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHO HAVE ALREADY PASSED AWAY.

IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN PREDICTING DEATH, AND CHOOSE NOT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.

THIS IS MEANT FOR THE SAKE OF FURTHERING ONE'S ASTROLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE AND NOT FOR SIMPLE DABBLING. THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF.

ABUSE OF SUCH INFOMATION CAN ONLY LEAD TO ADVERSE CONDITIONS TO YOURSELF

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!


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Mortality is of two kinds -- natural, arising from disease or old age; and accidental/violent, arising from a variety of causes.

A natural death may be judged to ensue when there are no other signs in the horoscope to the contrary.

A violent or accidental death occurs when the Sun and Moon are afflicted by a malefic, and when no assistance is given by Jupiter or Venus.

Again, when the sun is afflicted by one malefic, and the Moon by another, or when the Moon alone is afflicted by more than one malefic, or the Sun alone by more than one, providing always that no assistance be given by Jupiter or Venus, then a violent death ensues.

The afflicting planets being in the violent signs - Aries, Scorpio, Capricorn - is an additional sign of violence; also if the Sun or Moon be in these signs.

The following aspects occuring in a horoscope give a warning of a violent death:-

1. Mars afflicting Sun and Moon by conjunction or aspect, or afflicting one of the luminaries only, and elevated above it.

2. The Sun or Moon afflicted by the malefics in the first, fourth, sixth, eight, or tenth house.

3. A malefic in the first or eight, or on the cusp of the seventh, if at ther same time afflicting the luminaires, or one of them.

4. Malefics opposing one another from angles, particularly from violent signs or cardinal signs.

5. Both the Sun and Moon afflicted by one or more of the malefics, if one of the luminaries and one of the afflicting planets be in a violent sign.

6. Both luminaries luminaries afflicted by a malefic, one of the luminaries being oriental.

7. Two malefics attacking the same luminary

8. Pluto and Neptune must both be considered as malefic planets if they are afflicted by adverse aspects, especially of the Sun, Moon, Mars or Saturn. If Pluto is in the 8th, this will give indication of death occuring through ebign involved in some public catastrophe connected with the work that is being carried out, such as explosion, building collapse (Many 9/11 victims had this), or if in one of the National Services (military, civil servant..etc) through such things as mines, torpedoes, submarine crash. If in private life through such catastrophes as mine disasters, underground subway crashes, train collidings, etc. Neptune in the eight will bring a danger of drowning, of poison or of death through wrong drugs being taken or administered or of overdose of an anaesthetic or narcotic, or even alcohol.


If, with these indications, you find Jupiter or Venus in trine or sextile to the afflicted, then danger is averted by strange interventions, or hairbreadth escapes will be made.

When the afflicting planets are to human signs - Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Aquarius - dthe death will be by human means.

The eight and fourth houses have chief signifaction in the matter, and the planets in them, together with their aspects, will indicate the nature of the death. Violent planets, such as Uranus and Mars, or Saturn and Neptune, when in violent signs, are testimonies of an untimely end.

When Neptune is the afflicting planet, he causes deaths by ambush and treachery, by drowning and by strange spiritual causes. There is danger of trance or simulated death, which must be carefully watched.

With Uranus as the cause of evil, death results in some extraordinary and remarkable manner. It inclines to suicide, especially if Mercury be found weak and badly afflicted, or Venus afflicted by Saturn or Uranus, and the luminaries also afflicted.

Saturn causes death by crushes, fractures, falls, drownings etc, according to its sign and house.

Mars causes death by burns, cuts, loss of blood, scalds, ruptures, frenzy, and in battle. The exact nature is usually judged by the sign occupied by Mars, but the house occupied by Saturn and Uranus must also be considered, in addiction to the signs they are in.

The planet Mars has special signification of the cause of death according to the sign it occupies, whether human, animal, airy, fiery, earthy, etc. Observe always whether the malefics afflicting the Sun or Moon are elevated above the luminary or the reverse; for when you find the malefic so afflicting, and in elevation above the luminary, it is a sure sign of a violent death.

The lord of the eight house being afflicted by malefic planets is an additional sign of a violent death.

DO NOT JUDGE A VIOLENT DEATH WILL HAPPEN, UNLESS THE POSITIONS ARE VERY STRIKING AND UNMISTAKABLE.

When death is judged to ensue from "natural" causes, the sixth and eight houses are taken into consideration, together with the signs in which the malefics may be placed.

Fixed signs show death by blood (Aquarius), disorder of the throat (Taurus), heart affections (Leo), and the reproductive organs (Scorpio).

Mutable signs show colds and affections of the lungs (Gemini), bowels (Virgo), and nervous system (Sagittarius and Pisces)

Cardinal signs denote death by affections of the head, brain, fever etc. (Aries), stomach (Cancer), the kidneys, liver, gall bladder etc (Libra), also erysipelas and disorders of the skin (Capricorn)

If Saturn be in the eight house, the death will be slow and tedious; Mars there, it will be quick and painful; Uranus, sudden and unexpected; Jupiter, in comfort and order; Venus, peaceful and without any pang or throe of pain. The Moon and Mercury are passive, and act according to the nature of the planet in nearest aspect; but the Moon has a signification of death in the public, or in the presence of strangers, in public hospitals and other places of a public nature, when other testimonies point that way. Neptune in the eight operates to produce trance, coma, and simulated death, endinc in syncope.


EXAMPLE:-

Adolf Hitler provides the perfect example of one who through his own stupidity met a violent end. Throwing away the opportunity of living and dying as one of the world's greatest characters in history, he came to a violent end in the ruins of Berlin. His Libra rising, with venus, his ruling planet in the sign Taurus in conjunction with Mars, both within the eight house. His Sun was also in Taurus and in the eight house. Venus and Mars were square to Saturn which was in Leo and elevated in his chart, showing a rise to power, and a tremendous fall from power.


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PLEASE TAKE THIS INFOMATION SERIOUSLY. PRACTICE THE WAY I MENTIONED ABOVE. NEVER EVER EVER MAKE THE DIRE MISTAKE OF LOOKING AT YOUR OWN AND LOVED ONE'S CHARTS AT ALL. REFUSE TO MAKE DEATH PREDICTIONS FOR ANYONE. USE THESE INSTRUCTIONS ONLY TO FURTHER YOUR OWN ASTROLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE.

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Divine Goddess
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posted August 17, 2006 10:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who would like to know more and go into more details, I shall be posting later.

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D for Defiant
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posted November 26, 2006 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lmj515
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posted November 26, 2006 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can any one please tell me what this may mean. Because im not 100% educated on this although i am learning. This topic really interests me:

8th house cusp on Capricorn and Sagittarius, Neptune in Capricorn and Uranus in Sagittarius

PLEASE some feedback

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InLoveWithLife
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posted November 26, 2006 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gosh, i'd rather think about my life (ie marriage, affairs, children...stuff that MATTERS)...not DEATH!

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GypsyDancer1221
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posted November 26, 2006 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypsyDancer1221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My eighth house has Scorpio and Sagitarius in it. Pluto is in my seventh house (Scorpio) on the degree right in front of my 8th house cusp.

Jupiter is in my fourth house conjunct my sun, Chiron, and mercury...

So maybe I'll die in some occult ritual at my house or something... anything Scorpio related.

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Glaucus
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posted November 26, 2006 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Cosmobiology, Mars/Saturn midpoint is the death axis.

The newly discovered largest dwarf planet Eris is in Aries in my 8th house. I am not sure what that means for death.

the 8th house ruler(Mars)is in Aquarius in 6th house square Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd and Neptune in 3rd.

Maybe death by accident. I am also very accident prone and clumsy...a big part of that is my Dyspraxia which is mainly a developmental coordination disorder. It's one of the reasons why I don't drive. It could also be misdiagnosed health problems leading to death. I have already been misdiagnosed by psychiatrists,and they wanted me to take medication that I didn't need. They misdiagnosed my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia as schizoaffective bipolar. Antipsychotic medications can cause neuroleptic malignant syndrome which has symptoms similar to Parkinson's disease. That it could have easily been me with my ultrasensitivity including my hypersensitivity to medications. It could even be death due to adverse reaction to medications. It could also be death due to neurological problems like Alzheimers. That could be when I am 90 years old. Heh..I am already forgetful,absentminded,disorganized person due to my Dyspraxia.

My Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint could be potential death by accident.

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posted November 26, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My grandfather died of self-afflicted gunshot wound to head that included lacerated nerve on January 25, 1998.He was suffering from Depression. He was sick with Hepatitis and a badly damaged liver. He was a lifelong alcoholic.

note: his Saturn is stationary retrograde.
stationary planet is a strong planetary influence

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DayDreamer
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posted November 26, 2006 01:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Id rather think about my life too, inlovewithlife.

Some times I do wonder about this topic...though i try not to because it can spiral me into paranoia about the death of the loved ones around me.

I have no planets in the 8th house. My 8th house cusp is Sagittarius.

Glaucus, my Mars/Saturn midppoint/death axis is Scropio/Taurus 25deg18 - What would that mean? That would make aspects to my Uranus 20 deg in Scop/6th hs only.

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posted November 26, 2006 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Cosmobiology doesn't use signs...so it didn't use midpoints in signs.

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DayDreamer
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posted November 26, 2006 01:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok Im not sure how midpoints work in cosmobiology - what about Uranus conjunct the Mars/Saturn midpoint then? Thats what I have right? With Uranus 20 and Mars/Saturn midpoint being 25 deg? or is that orb too big?

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posted November 26, 2006 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my 8th house cusp is Taurus and I have Venus in there and Hades O.O wat does that mean?

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posted November 26, 2006 02:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, my friend has Pluto in the 8th. He's training to become a fireman. That's all I have to say about that.

If I were Pandora, I'd probably shake the box around a little without opening it. I dunno, this one has piqued my curiosity and shook me up at the same time. Interesting info though!

And thank Jove for Jupiter and Venus.

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Motherkonfessor
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posted November 26, 2006 03:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good God!

Seriously, why would anyone post this?

and this quote:


Creative Insights...(don't forget to give me your "death" calculations)

WHY?

Blech.

MK

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posted November 26, 2006 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To each their own I suppose...

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posted November 26, 2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im a little curious myself I wouldnt want to know when I would die but how im certainly interested in and just other things surrounding the issue.

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posted November 26, 2006 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have leo on the 8th house cusp and some limited Astrology report tells me to watch out for my heart and arteries. I'm on that I guess, I don't eat much meat anyways.

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xrâräx
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posted November 26, 2006 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oooohhh I love this topic...

Really. And I don't see death as an "ending"... just a transition. A new phase.

I don't have any planets in my 8th house. Virgo is on the cusp, and Mercury is in Leo in my 7th house. And it receives a square from Mars which is conjunct my MC.

I know that it won't die of natural death/old age. I feel that. It's going to be violental one. And I'm not scared, I love life, but death just intrigues me and fascinates me. So.

I have a question, what about the midpoint of Mars/Pluto- does it have anything to do with death??

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posted November 26, 2006 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Cosmobiologists only use orb of 1 to 1/2 degree for midpoints.

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neptune5
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posted November 26, 2006 05:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
xrarax...i believe mine will be even more violent, my:

8th house cusp Aries,
(note that my ninth house cusp is aries too)
ERIS in the 8th (discord)
Mars conjunct p.fort. both conjunct my MC.
Mars is square my AC, and its square my moon which is conjunct my DC, and my Mars is also squared to both my Sun and Venus which are conjunct my IC.

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Kohler
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posted November 26, 2006 05:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally don't think death can be accurately predicted from birth charts because it's just too complex a thing to predict and it involves too many factors.

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