posted August 25, 2006 05:01 PM            

I only use 2 degree orbs for Uranus and 1 degree orb for Neptune and Pluto. The reason why I use wider orbs for Uranus is that Uranus travels much faster than Neptune and Pluto. If you check astrology-numerology.com, Uranus is the only outerplanet that is included in the synastry aspects. I also slightly stretch the orb out when it's part of an aspect pattern. If the out of orb aspects involve a stationary planet,I definitely take that aspect into account. I pay close attention to those stationary planets. Those planets are powerful by themselves,and they have a powerful influence in a house too. Even stationary social and outerplanets have a powerful influence in a house. If they aspect an angle or personal planet, those can be very strong connections..especially if the aspects are less than 2 degree orb. That is how I work with aspects. I find that it works for me. Aspect orbs are hotly debated in Astrology. There is no definite agreement on what is considered a too wide orb or a too narrow orb. You just have to see what works for yourself.

I have Moon square Neptune with 1'22 orb

I have never felt anything especially Neptunian with people of my generation nor my age.

With Moon in Pisces square Neptune, I am ultrasensitive,empathic,dreamy,imaginative,fantasy-prone any way.

Also...people can have strong 8th and 12th house synastry.

8th house is associated with Scorpio,and both are ruled by Pluto.

posted August 25, 2006 05:06 PM            

8th house is the house associated with Scorpio. They are both ruled by Pluto. Some astrologers believe that they are co-ruled by Mars which is traditional ruler of Scorpio/8th house.

12th house is the house associated with Pisces. They are both ruled by Neptune. Some astrologers believe that they are co-ruled by Jupiter which is traditional ruler of Pisces/12th house.

This is from Stephen Arroyo's book,
Relationship Cycles. Stephen Arroyo uses traditional rulerships along with the modern rulerships.

PSYCHIC HOUSES

These houses are associated with the water signs and this can have an effect on me in those areas where I am most most psychic,sensitive,and vulnerable. Planets falling in these houses reveal those aspects or qualities of the other person that influence me emotionally, that can penetrate deeply into me. Thus, I will often be somewhat threatened by such a person because I am so vulnerable to him. There, I can react to the other person by fearing or disliking him; or I can open up to him in the hope that we can develop a relationship at a deep,soul level. People who planets or ascendant fall in my water houses are able to penetrate into the depths of my being, and to reveal my limitations,weaknesses,and deepest desires. Such deep contact between people can result in profound,intense,emotional ties; but there is often a tendency toward explosions,upheavals,instability,and constant irritation on my part. The future of the relationship will depend a great deal not only upon how I react to this threat(which is also a possibility for closeness), but also upon the other person's attitude toward the power that he has over me. A relationship with many ties in these houses will prosper mainly if the two people are emotionally at peace with themselves.

4th house

Planets falling my fourth house affect my most personal,deep,vulnerable emotions in the roots of my being. The effect of planets in this house, therefore, is usually experienced as either comfortable and secure or as a disturbing and frustrating. For example, Pluto falling in my fourth can represent a profoundly disturbing effect upon the emotional foundations of my existence, which may turn out to be either a positive or negative experience. Planets here also effect domestic tranquility, and one's ability to totally relax in someone else's presence.

8th house

Planets falling in my eighth house stimulate deep,often sexual and erotic,powerful feelings in me. If the planets are stressfully aspected, there may be a power struggle; and I may find my efforts to exert power and control over the other person disrupted or thwarted. This house in part represents my emotional search for values,which effort on my part can be helped or hindered by the other person. The eighth house also represent a test of my responsibility in the use of my power. Planets falling in this house can also have the effect of producing some type of spiritual awakening in me, as well as a powerful yearning for emotional peace and healing at a deep level.

12th house

Planets falling in my twefth house affect me emotionally in ways that can awaken me to the unknown, to that which is essentially beyond my understanding. Planets in my twelfth influence me through vague,usually-confusing emotions. Such influences often awaken fear in me, although planets here can also greatly influence my spiritual development. In other words, planets falling in the twelfth stimulate growth,development,and change in profoundly deep ways, affecting very roots of the emotions at the spirtiual level. Influences represented by planets falling in the twelfth house are essentially beyond my conscious understanding. Therefore, I often react to this aspect of the other person with distrust,worry,fear,or uneasiness. This is especially if the planets falling in my twelfth are "malefics". If the planets are "benefics", then I can often sense some kind of hidden support from the other person. The twelfth house generally indicates the blind spot in ourselves, the influences from others of which we are vageuly conscious. For example, if the other person's ascendant falls in my twelfth house, he is essentially beyond my understanding. He bewilders and confuses me. I feel overwhelmed by him. Thus, I can react to him by giving way to my irrational fears, or I can appreciate the sense of mystery and complexity that he inspires in me. The twelfth house is especially important in chart comparisons; for it can reveal the needs of a soul for future growth and give quite specific clues about karmic ties with the other person. For example, why am I so irrationally fearful of violence from Mr. M? Astrologically, his Mars falls in my twelfth house. Do these emotions come from nowhere? Or do they indicate, along with the astrological symbols, a past relationship in which I experienced the potential violence of Mr. M? These questions can be answered only in the personal experience of each of us. What I am emphasizing here is that the twelfth house indicates(both in the natal chart and in synastry) things that we have to come to terms with and integrate in our conscious spiritual-psychological growth. Therefore, an analysis of our close friends'(and enemies'!) charts in comparison with our own can reveal things that we all need to be aware of in to live and relate more freely.

posted August 25, 2006 05:33 PM              

That is the reason why I do synastry comparisons from personal palnets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars) to personal planets first to see how the energies interconnect. If there is no interconnection, we most likely won't be interested in the person anyway. If there IS an interconnection, the outer planets can show how this interconnection is made stronger in some way. For example, if one person's Venus (relationships) sextiles (energy goes easily with) another person's Mars (being, also action), it indicates there is an easily active relationship connection between them. THEN having Saturn (duty, also structure, an outer planet) trine (energy goes very easily with) Venus affects the relationship between them.

However, it is also possible to have an inner-outer "connection" between our personal planets and someone's outer planets you don't WANT to have (such as your Venus trine their Pluto (transformation, also control) with some other person. We may decide not to have anything to do with this "connected"other person. These situations, if the other person acts on their feelings, may lead to stalkings or other pursuits of us...due to their outer planet connections to us.

Relating,

posted August 26, 2006 05:59 PM              

When a thread like this came up, I used the "high school class" analogy. You've given me another chance to think about this. It may be your question is valid for many other social reasons, and this one keeps making me think of group psychology.

There must be a definite bond created between an entire year's worth of school with people you'd rather not see every day, with minimal exceptions. Maybe thats why those years are always thought back on with some degree of pain/anxiety, as parts of ourselves were mirrored back to us ...

... reminds me of the recent thread on a Synastry Chart where all the House Cusps line up exactly/almost exactly. The same type of "mirror" issues.

posted August 26, 2006 06:10 PM              

... and also just thought to add, perhaps this is one of the reasons why the Saturn Return is an important phenomenon one is destined to react to. Saturn's restriction, and who didn't think the coolest people in school were always the ones who seemed like they had no restrictions? And The Fonz was how old?

When we bond with someone who mostly mirrored us in our history together, it is difficult to grow as an individual. Put it this way, our youngest relationships begin with knowing only ourself existed. Then we learn there is ourself, and then others. For many young years we hang in this limbo, we are still learning there is ourself, and then others.

Once you pass the Saturn Return stage, we're able to draw clearer boundaries between ourself and others, and we no longer struggle with where one ends, and the other begins.

That's why I'm thinking, if you meet "the one" before your SR, and wait until your SR to marry, that's not the case. It's more like, you cannot seriously apply all your life experiences effectively with others -- you cannot even begin -- until after the Saturn Return, when you've learned clear boundaries between yourself and others, and how to be effective therein.

But there is no hard rule. We've seen the exceptions, but as life goes on, you realize there are fewer and fewer.

posted August 26, 2006 10:50 PM            

Let's take the example of Moon square Pluto:
If this aspect is happening in a person's transit, as in natal moon square transiting Pluto, anyone who has gone through this transit will tell you how hellish it is. Similarly, when a partner has Pluto square or opposite your moon, you are bound to feel to some extent the same kind of effect you would feel if this was a transit.

Another example, Neptume. Neptune represents (among other things) our capacity to love unconditionally, our capacity to dream and to transcend material realm. In a personal relationship, when there are stressful aspects to Neptune, loving the other person unconditionally is difficult. Of course, one is not expected to love someone unconditionally ALL THE TIME, or even most of the time, but there will be times in every relationship where unconditional love is called for and needed, and when it does not materialize, relationships have a poor chance at long term survival.

Let's look at Saturn. Saturn represents among other things, how we ground ourselves, it also represents our deepest fears and our feelings of lack. When one's Saturn is negatively aspected in a synastry with a partner's outer or personal planets, we are bound to feel threatened one way or the other by them, and feel that the ground under us is not stable.

Uranus. Represents where we are unconventional, where we go against the grain, our need for change and variety. If for instance our Uranus squares someone's Venus, most likely, their love nature will not be in sync with our need for independance and unconventionality. A stable and grounded relationship will not be happening. But, it makes for a great fling.

posted August 26, 2006 11:44 PM            

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010071-4.html

Also if kuiper belt object Pluto is significant in synastry,then its fellow kuiper belt objects should be significant in synastry too,but the orbs would vary...they could be used with midpoints like A's Moon conjuncts B's Sun/Orcus midpoint.

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