posted September 04, 2006 12:53 AM              

Are you feeling like you are holding your cards to your chest? Or have you been trying say something to the world that no one seems to be catching on to?

Please help me understand. Right now, there's a fine line between the Serpent and the Eagle. Need understanding ...

Thanks.

posted September 04, 2006 03:49 AM            

About the "assertive" thing, I think tMars is squaring tPluto right now, isn't it??

posted September 04, 2006 12:28 PM              

as scorpio sun;mercury and uranus scorpio also..

i have terrible relations...i left my aries boyfriend;and then i like someone aquarus but i behave weird...i am smile;one minute later i am crying...i have heavy feelings..like bomb..but i have some family problems and i make them good for my family...i think this is good..and my job goes to great...but my inner feelings not good..i like to get away..fly away..i am at edge..one good edge;then bad edge...i hope everything will be okey..

posted September 04, 2006 06:31 PM              

I always play my cards close to my vest. I'm not much of a talker when it comes to my private matters & feel like most ppl don't get me @ all. I'm getting used to that reaction.

All in all, I'm feeling good and very much @ peace w/myself. I have decided to cut my hair off and completely change my home (typical Pluto in 1st behavior). LOL!

posted September 04, 2006 07:58 PM              

I wonder, because I feel immensely at peace lately. Some others have said that here and I'm wondering if you've had a lot of turbulence in the past few years, or how ever long pluto has been retro, if these same people will catch a break. Maybe the retro helped others and now they are feeling the heat, since its gone direct?

posted September 04, 2006 11:10 PM              

Pluto is currently exact conjunct my Sun at 24 Gem, forming a mutable grand cross with my Sun, moon and natal Pluto. How are things for me? Sucking hard, as they have been since this Pluto transit cameinto opposition wiht my Sun. How do I feel? Suspicious, distrustful, in general and I feel deeply betrayed or just plain let down by others in various situations in my life. I feel like I'm having to really fight for what I need in my life right now, and that no one else is given me an ounce of credit of lifting a finger to help. I feel like everything i do doesn't get me anywhere, like I'm up against all the powers of the cosmos, and I'm losing.

posted September 05, 2006 04:21 AM              

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I have Pluto in my 1st house and I'm very take no prisoners right about now. Assertive is definitely the word I'd use to describe my state of being now. I'm thru w/nonsense and drama from myself and others; no doubt about that.
I always play my cards close to my vest. I'm not much of a talker when it comes to my private matters & feel like most ppl don't get me @ all. I'm getting used to that reaction.

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posted September 06, 2006 12:51 AM              

No need to be worried now.

Communicate but don't expect anything in return right now. Be "neptunian" regarding your communication style right now. You'll be in touch with your feelings.

AcousticGod -

I picture Pluto dressed in some tutu.

Just don't make no sense ...

posted September 06, 2006 06:23 PM              

Moon square Sun–Pluto opposition here (Moon is in late Sag in 3rd, Sun in late Pisces 6th, Pluto in late Virgo 12th), so currently transiting Pluto is right on top of natal Moon & it is squaring my Sun & Pluto at the same time.

I've become especially assertive with my sister (Moon is in 3rd) -- I have lots of problems with her generally, though it is hard for me to describe exactly what is wrong with our relationship. I posted her chart compared with mine here some time ago...we have the same ascendant since we were born at the same time year/same time day (I remember you responded to that thread with the comment that you thought you were looking at a pair of twins' charts -- I don't know if this helps you to remember, not that it matters much). However she's 6 years younger than me, so all her planets fall in different houses than mine do. Suffice it to say, a great deal of our tussle lies in my Uranus/AC and her Pluto/AC. Since we have the same AC, this means her Pluto conjuncts my AC exact and my Uranus conjuncts hers exact. All I can say is ugh. Lots & lots of power struggles here. Our fights usually end in her sending me glowering looks while I throw my hands up in the air and scream that I need breathing space. For most of my life, she has been someone I kowtowed to, in a way. She's very...well, she's very much a Pluto/AC (in libra) person with a bunch of Aries energy focused in her 7th -- Sun, Venus rx, Chiron, SN all in Aries in 7th. I think that about says it. And I am very much a 6th house Sun opposed Pluto/12th, squared by Moon in 3rd -- with this t-square, I cannot fathom not wanting my privacy. I need it like I need air. And boy do I ever love my emotional suppression, I hate graphic displays of emotion -- I find them utterly distasteful. And she is full of them.

At any rate, getting back to my point -- for some reason, perhaps since I am the more laid back one of the 2 of us, I have always bowed out of creating conflict with her. This pretty much means I've stifled my needs in favor of hers. That Moon in 3rd (siblings) square Pluto in 12th says a lot about the way I experience my sister -- she's very very Plutonian, lots of insiduous, secret control going on here.

But now, since I'm going through not 1 but 3 major Pluto transits (transiting Pluto conjunct natal Moon, trans Pluto square natal Sun, and trans Pluto square natal Pluto)...and since my progressed Moon moved into Aries...I'm tired of kowtowing to her. I've been asserting myself & my needs, and this will all culminate when I move out (she's my roommate at this time) next April. It's a pretty big step for me, as I'd thought for a long time that I *needed* to live with her, due to it making things nicer for me financially. It doesn't make things nicer for me psychologically however...and thankfully with Pluto lighting up my t-square like a christmas tree I've been able to take the 1st step.

posted September 07, 2006 02:35 AM              

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That Moon in 3rd (siblings) square Pluto in 12th says a lot about the way I experience my sister -- she's very very Plutonian, lots of insiduous, secret control going on here.

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Oh, I see that.

So what's going on with your 1st, 4th and 8th Houses? I don't think the 12th is important.

posted September 07, 2006 11:08 AM              

i must confess i do think the 12th is important in my particular case because of the square between the Moon (3) & Pluto (12) -- if only because this is descriptive of my relationship with both my sister and my mother (less so with my mother). it's important in the way it depicts the underlying developmental tension i've experienced in my relationship with them: the 12th house describes the dissolution of personal ego, almost a loss of self. the 12th has no boundaries. also, in a more literal sense, the 12th describes secret enemies and behind the scenes activity. thus, the Moon/Pluto square describes the power struggles inherently obvious (to anyone but myself up until recently -- this is something i've been awakening to with the Pluto transit) in my familial relationships, particularly in the relationship i have with my sibling. i let go of my power with her, and don't own it. i let whatever she wanted or thought dictate my actions in the past. i never really had an ego with her. now with transiting Pluto on top of my Moon, squaring my 12th house Pluto and my 6th house Sun, i am waking up to the idea that this loss of power is eating away at me, and i don't like it.

my 1st house plays into this -- i have Uranus and true BML conjunct my AC exactly (opposite Mercury/Chiron on the DC). so i have a screaming need to be myself, but because of the deep power struggles indicated by the Sun/Moon/Pluto t-square this has been hard for me to do. Uranus is my NN ruler so this is totally one of my lessons, without a doubt. my lazy Pisces Sun in the mutable 6th house is or has often been content to just drift along, and let other people take over. sure -- why not, right? it's just so much easier. the Pluto transit has definitely opened my eyes to the idea that it is NOT easier, because i lose so much of myself that way and i don't like the way it feels to the me that desires to be free & independent (Ur/BML on AC). i'm sure the opposition to Chiron/Mercury is just further describing the wound i have in relating to others.

my 4th is empty, ruled by Saturn though, and Saturn is in the 8th with Ceres exactly square (i have a lot of what i call exact aspects, but i suppose i should be saying partile instead because i mean in the same degree, not exact by both degree AND minute) Venus (and NN) in the 5th. Venus is my chart ruler, and as it is conjunct the NN and square Saturn/Ceres, i have to remake this existence into a vehicle for consciousness. i have to overcome the real difficulties of this particular Saturn placement and make real efforts to change my life in a physical way (this has been a real struggle for me, but i'm learning). Saturn in the eighth house, particularly in a physical, earth sign (Taurus), shows a block related to sharing. i am often too defensive to share my real self with intimate others, never mind the world at large. the defenses can stem from other’s abuse or humiliation, or deprivation, but on the whole it’s best to think that i have just been prevented from truly sharing what i am on the inside with others. so the servility of the sixth house Sun in Pisces (ruler of SN) conflicts with the wounded rebelliousness of the NN ruler Uranus/BML/Asc, and in this life, the conflict manifests in an inability to share and connect in an easy way, masked by the pleasant disposition of my Libra AC coupled with the lazy go with the flow ways of my Pisces Sun. it particularly manifests in physical, ‘earth life’ terms.

anyway, i rambled on here as usual but you get the picture: the Pluto transit has been and will continue to shake me up in a variety of ways (it will be in effect for another year) -- i'm really getting down to the nitty gritty here. at the same time i am experiencing the Pluto transit, transiting Neptune has been and will continue to be right on top of my natal Venus, chart ruler (dissolving my sense of self). it will pass over for the last time in Jan 07, i believe. so concurrently with the Pluto transit, i have Neptune conjunct n Venus, square n Saturn...and transiting Saturn is further affecting me: it is opposed transiting Neptune so t Saturn is conjunct my SN, square my n Saturn, and opposed n Venus.

learning lots and lots these days -- for SURE!

chrissy